BoneDog Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Is this El Empty Baiting thread still going? I'm used to it!
Samilktray Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 I love lil theories like this. I personally think Jesus lives inside the moon.
BoneDog Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 If that's what you class as conclusive then there's no point in even arguing the point. That verse was said 1400 years ago and only recently has science found this to be true. I'm just saying that I find it interesting. There are other verses about the development of human embryos that science along with the aid of powerful microscopes has seemed to confirm.
BoneDog Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 I love lil theories like this.I personally think Jesus lives inside the moon. He definatley lived on earth! He could be there now though, as he is alive and will be returning
Babylon Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Yes I think it is conclusive that the verse was talking about the same thing. It says, "Have you not seen how We have set a barrier between the two seas? Neither one can transgress the other." Seems pretty conclusive to me. That verse was said 1400 years ago and only recently has science found this to be true. I'm just saying that I find it interesting.There are other verses about the development of human embryos that science along with the aid of powerful microscopes has seemed to confirm. For starters language has changed so much over the years there can be no clarity on the meaning of any of the words. Also I believe there is another passage in the Koran saying "(God) is the One Who has let free the two seas, one is agreeable and sweet, the other salty and bitter. He placed a barrier between them, a partition that it is forbidden to pass." Similar to before, Yes? No, because sea water is not "agreeable and sweet" really is it. If you ask me they are referring to where the river meets the sea and doesn't mix. So one stays salty and undrinkable, the other stays clean and fresh (agreeable and sweet some might say). Obviously the waters don't mix because of the downstream flow, but to someone 1400 years ago it would seem a divine invisible wall. As I said before, these old scripts are so vague that people can pick bits out twist them to seem divine. As the old saying goes "if you throw enough shit, some of it will stick".
BoneDog Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 For starters language has changed so much over the years there can be no clarity on the meaning of any of the words. Also I believe there is another passage in the Koran saying "(God) is the One Who has let free the two seas, one is agreeable and sweet, the other salty and bitter. He placed a barrier between them, a partition that it is forbidden to pass."Similar to before, Yes? No, because sea water is not "agreeable and sweet" really is it. If you ask me they are referring to where the river meets the sea and doesn't mix. So one stays salty and undrinkable, the other stays clean and fresh (agreeable and sweet some might say). Obviously the waters don't mix because of the downstream flow, but to someone 1400 years ago it would seem a divine invisible wall. As I said before, these old scripts are so vague that people can pick bits out twist them to seem divine. As the old saying goes "if you throw enough shit, some of it will stick". Yes you are right, that is talking about where rivers meet the sea. By the way, was Thracian serious when he started this thread?! I can't tell if he was or if it's one of those 'let's chuck out the bait and see who bites' things!
Babylon Posted 12 February 2009 Posted 12 February 2009 Yes you are right, that is talking about where rivers meet the sea.By the way, was Thracian serious when he started this thread?! I can't tell if he was or if it's one of those 'let's chuck out the bait and see who bites' things! Yet the writer still refers to them as seas. So how can you be sure in your passage they are not talking about rivers meeting seas also? Maybe the writer was all knowing.... or maybe they drank from two linked waters that tasted different and decided there was an invisible barrier. There is so much that is inconclusive about all these passages. I'm an open minded person, none of us know why everything exists. But the 4.55 billion years the solar system has been here, is more than enough time for accidents to happen. Just because we are here, isn't argument enough to suggest that we're someones test tube experiment. As an aside, and this might sound like a crazy question.... what do religious people think about dinosaurs? Obviously around a long time before we ever existed, yet if my local vicar is to be believed adam and eve were here from the beginning??!? Something i've wondered and never asked.
Thracian Posted 12 February 2009 Author Posted 12 February 2009 Yes you are right, that is talking about where rivers meet the sea.By the way, was Thracian serious when he started this thread?! I can't tell if he was or if it's one of those 'let's chuck out the bait and see who bites' things! Thracian started this thread to stimulate debate and because I was interested in reading people's take on the subject. With over 800 "views" and six pages of comments there's actually been more interest than I imagined. .
Dr The Singh Posted 13 February 2009 Posted 13 February 2009 I don't think it's ridiculous to make a scientific debate out of certain religious texts. And neither do about 4 or 5 billion other people including thousands of scientists (maybe more) including scientists who work on the Human Genome Project. I don't think these people are ridiculous. Modern science is coming up with lots of evidence to support the idea of an intelligent force behind the creation of our universe.To be honest, I find it quite ridiculous for anyone to think that everything we see in the universe just appeared without a creative force behind it. Surely it is far too perfect for that. I also don't mind if people debate what I say, it's only my opinions I am putting forward. You for real..........nobodies are saying you shouldn't debate, but YOUR the one who has a habit of claiming there FACT, and claiming there FACT is ridiculous and I in the past have proven your fact to be bollocks. The issue is, even when your proven wrong, or an more natural alternative is given, you refuse to accept it!! People discuss all sorts, but they are perspectives, religion is not a proven fact, and hence there are many perspectives, BUT when you delve into science, FACTS follows rules with certainty, otherwise they are just theories, which are amendable, expendable and come into the world of opinion!! There you go again, which modern science\scientist have EVIDENCE to support an intelligent force in the creation of the universe??? There has been no religious scholar or leader that could prove any religious text a scientific!! Mate, i'm a sikh, infact Sikhism if I use your perspective is alot more 'scientific', it delves much more into the mechanics of the universe and evolution instead of one\few sentence poetry, infact Hinduism is the most 'scientific' faith and is far older then the Koran, yet there establishments or intellects do not force the issue of there texts being scientific....I wonder why!!!!! Tell me which scientist from established scientific backgrounds and scientific institutes go about claiming religious texts as science..........as we all kknow most professors etc reject the notion of god!! The propaganda you read is nonsense, I constantly research my faith and there are some that propagate nonsense such NASA has a copy of the Granth Sahib which it uses to evaluate the universe.............one would think why, because !! UNLESS, you start providing actual, scientificully evaluated evidence of your claims, then they will be for ridicule!!! Is this El Empty Baiting thread still going? What do you mean Trav????
The People's Hero Posted 13 February 2009 Posted 13 February 2009 What I really want to know is.... when will the toil end?
Babylon Posted 13 February 2009 Posted 13 February 2009 Singh talks sense Singh... when someone wants to believe so badly (which is what we have here I believe), there isn't anything you me or the next person can say to open their mind about other possibilities.
Dr The Singh Posted 13 February 2009 Posted 13 February 2009 Singh... when someone wants to believe so badly (which is what we have here I believe), there isn't anything you me or the next person can say to open their mind about other possibilities. I understand now Babs, I only wish you told me this years ago, I may have saved myself many a !!! Anyway speaking of mixing of liquids between the sweet and bitter, when you taking me a out for a drink, maybe El Empty can join us and describe it to us in relation to the Koran.........and your buying El Empty???
BoneDog Posted 13 February 2009 Posted 13 February 2009 As an aside, and this might sound like a crazy question.... what do religious people think about dinosaurs? Obviously around a long time before we ever existed, yet if my local vicar is to be believed adam and eve were here from the beginning??!? Something i've wondered and never asked. I have heard some people say that some Christians don't believe in dinosaurs, but I'm not sure. Most people know they were real creatures I would think. I believe that there were humans around at the same time though. As for Islam, I know they believe in them and many other creatures we don't know anything about. Islam says that there are 18,000 (I think that numbers right) worlds and that there are living creatures in each one.
BoneDog Posted 13 February 2009 Posted 13 February 2009 Thracian started this thread to stimulate debate and because I was interested in reading people's take on the subject.With over 800 "views" and six pages of comments there's actually been more interest than I imagined. . Well, thanks to this thread I have now seen a few more videos and talks that I probably wouldn't of come across without you starting it. It's amazing what you find when you look for Moon theories on google!
BoneDog Posted 13 February 2009 Posted 13 February 2009 There you go again, which modern science\scientist have EVIDENCE to support an intelligent force in the creation of the universe??? There has been no religious scholar or leader that could prove any religious text a scientific!! Mate, i'm a sikh, infact Sikhism if I use your perspective is alot more 'scientific', it delves much more into the mechanics of the universe and evolution instead of one\few sentence poetry, infact Hinduism is the most 'scientific' faith and is far older then the Koran, yet there establishments or intellects do not force the issue of there texts being scientific....I wonder why!!!!! Tell me which scientist from established scientific backgrounds and scientific institutes go about claiming religious texts as science..........as we all kknow most professors etc reject the notion of god!! The propaganda you read is nonsense, I constantly research my faith and there are some that propagate nonsense such NASA has a copy of the Granth Sahib which it uses to evaluate the universe.............one would think why, because !! You say that I keep stating FACT but I'm sure I haven't said what I say are facts. If I have then I never meant to. The only fact I stand by is that we didn't just appear without an intelligent force behind our and the universes appearance. As for the statement in bold above, I don't know how you come to that conclusion? Many professors and scientists I read/watch do believe in a Creator. And many more are changing their beliefs every year. They might not believe in a man with a beard, but they believe in an unseen magnificent power, which is what I believe in too. As for what you say about Sikhism/Hinduism, that might be true, but I don't differentiate between any religion. They all came to different people at different times. And if they were man made, I think we would of had another one by now as it's been 1400 years since the last. People have tried but failed miserably. I will put in here some of the scientists/profs I talk about. I have to look over everything I have watched/read to find out first cos my short term memory is not too good. Do you believe we just appeared by chance? Or do you actually believe in some Force behind everything? Just wondering.
BoneDog Posted 13 February 2009 Posted 13 February 2009 Singh... when someone wants to believe so badly (which is what we have here I believe), there isn't anything you me or the next person can say to open their mind about other possibilities. My mind is open. I don't think you know what I think about alot of things. I have read many books since 1990, seen many lectures and hardly ever watch anything fiction. Hardly watch tv. I have also opened my mind in many other (illegal) ways especially in the early 90's with them purple om's. Thousands. To say I don't have an open mind about the possibilities really is the most incorrect statement I have heard since "WMD's".
BoneDog Posted 13 February 2009 Posted 13 February 2009 I understand now Babs, I only wish you told me this years ago, I may have saved myself many a !!! Anyway speaking of mixing of liquids between the sweet and bitter, when you taking me a out for a drink, maybe El Empty can join us and describe it to us in relation to the Koran.........and your buying El Empty??? I'll buy my fair share yes, but you lot should dib in aswell.
Babylon Posted 13 February 2009 Posted 13 February 2009 You say that I keep stating FACT but I'm sure I haven't said what I say are facts. If I have then I never meant to. I would say it's the way you come across more than you saying they are facts. I got the same impression as Singh. The only fact I stand by is that we didn't just appear without an intelligent force behind our and the universes appearance. PS. That's not a fact
Babylon Posted 13 February 2009 Posted 13 February 2009 I love this thread... the universe and creation are my two favourite things... behind women, beer, football and chinese food, oh and porn.
BoneDog Posted 13 February 2009 Posted 13 February 2009 I would say it's the way you come across more than you saying they are facts. I got the same impression as Singh. Yes I agree. I'm gonna try and work on how I say things. PS. That's not a fact I know, but it's one thing I believe is fact!
Edmund Posted 13 February 2009 Posted 13 February 2009 The only fact I stand by is that we didn't just appear without an intelligent force behind our and the universes appearance. My question to that so called fact is if there was an intelligent force behind everything what created that intelligent force? And what created the creator of that intelligent force. And what created the creator of the creator of the intelligent force. An so on.
BoneDog Posted 13 February 2009 Posted 13 February 2009 My question to that so called fact is if there was an intelligent force behind everything what created that intelligent force? And what created the creator of that intelligent force. And what created the creator of the creator of the intelligent force. An so on. Who knows! Mystical forces Eddie, mystical forces. Not my words, the words of Richard Richard The answer is one of two possibilities : 1. There is a powerful unknown force behind our universe and all life in it, or 2. All the magnificent things in our universe magically appeared from nowhere. An explosion happened and out of that came planets that fly through space on magical orbits, billions of stars and billions of living creatures that live on the billions of different plant species that also miraculously appeared. Who knows? All I know is that I believe number 1
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