Bert Posted 2 April 2009 Posted 2 April 2009 Has had to be put down after suffering a heart attack after it's last race. A fantastic, popular horse. R.I.P
City_4_Life Posted 2 April 2009 Posted 2 April 2009 Just heard this watching Aintree on the BBC, Very sad news.
Head Honcho Posted 2 April 2009 Posted 2 April 2009 Very sad Now we'll have all the bleeding hearts going on about how cruel racing is. If a horse doesn't want to jump a fence then they wouldn't-hence the expression "refused"
Shrenchel Posted 2 April 2009 Posted 2 April 2009 R.I.P. Cracking horse. Also, anyone got a link to the Peter Crouch celebration from last night?
fox123 Posted 2 April 2009 Posted 2 April 2009 Great horse, has made many a punter happy in winnings.
welck12 Posted 2 April 2009 Posted 2 April 2009 R.I.P. Cracking horse. Also, anyone got a link to the Peter Crouch celebration from last night? I love the chain of thought here. Mouring for Horse > Respect for Horse > Peter Crouch Dancing
Shrenchel Posted 2 April 2009 Posted 2 April 2009 I wasnt tryna be disrespectful to this fine horse. Its just thats what I thought the thread was going to be about when I opened it, and it seems a bit trivial for a new thread.
Flynny Posted 2 April 2009 Posted 2 April 2009 RIP? Really? You're shitting me? I mean uhhh... hopefully it's enjoying... horsey heaven... or something(?????????)
AyewJoking Posted 2 April 2009 Posted 2 April 2009 Not so long ago a horse aged 13 which hadnt raced for a year broke its leg and was consequently shot. Cruel or stupid?
fox123 Posted 2 April 2009 Posted 2 April 2009 Not so long ago a horse aged 13 which hadnt raced for a year broke its leg and was consequently shot. Cruel or stupid? Problem with Race Horses are, once they have an injury like that they really aren't any good to anyone, unless it hasn't been gelded. They are specifically bred and reared to purely race and breed (if it has good pedigree). They don't make good pets as they have a bastard temperament and are unpredictable, and they are no good for just trotting round a yard...Harsh that may seem but it's true.
AoWW Posted 2 April 2009 Posted 2 April 2009 Problem with Race Horses are, once they have an injury like that they really aren't any good to anyone, unless it hasn't been gelded. They are specifically bred and reared to purely race and breed (if it has good pedigree). They don't make good pets as they have a bastard temperament and are unpredictable, and they are no good for just trotting round a yard...Harsh that may seem but it's true. It very much depends on the severity of the injury. I agree, a Thoroughbred bred for racing is hardly going to make a good 'pet', but many, many ex-racehorses go on to be extremely successful in other equestrian sports which are less intensive than racing and the training more varied. They can, with the right rehabilitation and retraining, also be re-homed to competent riders who have little interest in competing at the top level. Many are... it can work very successfully, although I fully appreciate the prospects for many that come off the track are not so rosy. Very few truly have a 'bastard temperament'. They're animals, not machines - therefore unpredictable by definition.
fox123 Posted 2 April 2009 Posted 2 April 2009 It very much depends on the severity of the injury. I agree, a Thoroughbred bred for racing is hardly going to make a good 'pet', but many, many ex-racehorses go on to be extremely successful in other equestrian sports which are less intensive than racing and the training more varied. They can, with the right rehabilitation and retraining, also be re-homed to competent riders who have little interest in competing at the top level. Many are... it can work very successfully, although I fully appreciate the prospects for many that come off the track are not so rosy. Very few truly have a 'bastard temperament'. They're animals, not machines - therefore unpredictable by definition. Oh yea, I know it depends on severity, though a 13 year old race horse that has been gelded(I'm not saying the horse in question has been gelded), and has broke his leg on track is highly likely to be put down, than moved onto rehabilitation or re-trained.
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 3 April 2009 Posted 3 April 2009 Very sadNow we'll have all the bleeding hearts going on about how cruel racing is. If a horse doesn't want to jump a fence then they wouldn't-hence the expression "refused"
Shrenchel Posted 3 April 2009 Posted 3 April 2009 RIP? Really? You're shitting me? I mean uhhh... hopefully it's enjoying... horsey heaven... or something(?????????) Turn of phrase mate. What would you prefer? Hope the worms enjoy your carcass? Hope it's not too hot in the oven? That what you going to say when your mam dies??
Flynny Posted 3 April 2009 Posted 3 April 2009 Turn of phrase mate. What would you prefer? Hope the worms enjoy your carcass? Hope it's not too hot in the oven? That what you going to say when your mam dies?? Exactly my point! It's a fucking horse! I'm not saying this is wrong or owt it just strikes me as odd, does it not you?
Finnegan Posted 3 April 2009 Posted 3 April 2009 RIP? Really? You're shitting me? I mean uhhh... hopefully it's enjoying... horsey heaven... or something(?????????) I was trying to avoid commenting in this thread for fear of being called a cock. I'm a bit more confident now.
fox123 Posted 3 April 2009 Posted 3 April 2009 Exactly my point! It's a fucking horse! I'm not saying this is wrong or owt it just strikes me as odd, does it not you? To thousands it wasn't just a horse it was a source of income, it brought many a joy to backers and indeed layers in the betting business... Just because it was a horse doesn't mean it shouldn't have some sort of respect, I guess you can compare it to something like Marc Vivien Foe.
Shrenchel Posted 3 April 2009 Posted 3 April 2009 Exactly my point! It's a fucking horse! I'm not saying this is wrong or owt it just strikes me as odd, does it not you? Depends how much people value the life of another mammal compared to a human I guess. For me, not much, but I didn't really know any horse specific grieving lingo.
Flynny Posted 3 April 2009 Posted 3 April 2009 To thousands it wasn't just a horse it was a source of income, it brought many a joy to backers and indeed layers in the betting business...Just because it was a horse doesn't mean it shouldn't have some sort of respect, I guess you can compare it to something like Marc Vivien Foe. Depends how much people value the life of another mammal compared to a human I guess. For me, not much, but I didn't really know any horse specific grieving lingo. It's fine, I didn't mean to nag. ...
fox123 Posted 3 April 2009 Posted 3 April 2009 It's fine, I didn't mean to nag. ... What do you find amusing?
Finnegan Posted 3 April 2009 Posted 3 April 2009 I think Flynny's point is that, yes, it's sad that the poor thing has died and yes it's likely tragic to it's owners - but wishing that it "rest in peace" is probably a little bit weird. Especially comparing the death of a horse to the death of one's mother.
AoWW Posted 3 April 2009 Posted 3 April 2009 Oh yea, I know it depends on severity, though a 13 year old race horse that has been gelded(I'm not saying the horse in question has been gelded), and has broke his leg on track is highly likely to be put down, than moved onto rehabilitation or re-trained. Ah, apologies, I'd read your post as being more generalistic, rather than referring to that specific horse. I agree - a 13 year old horse (and I think it's highly probable it was gelded, there aren't many uncut horses on the circuit), bred for racing, that breaks it's leg on the track is highly likely to be put down, and rightly so in my opinion. Having said that, it's fairly unusual for a horse to still be racing at 13, it'll be nearing the end of it's competitive 'career' at best - and many people fail to appreciate the distinction between national hunt (where it's an option) and flat racing (not many 13 year old horses on the flat!!!). For ANY horse, breaking a leg is an extremely serious injury - far more so than the equivalent injury in a human (something, again, I feel many people fail to realise). Having had the experience of 'nursing' a horse with a broken leg back to full health (he later went on to event at top level) I accept that that a horse's temperament and tractability are hugely significant factors. He was literally suspended in a sling in his stable for weeks... the first time he was walked out (on a still fragile leg) it took myself and 2 strapping lads to even try and keep hold of him as he did his best impression of 'Zebedee on speed' for 40 minutes!!
Shrenchel Posted 3 April 2009 Posted 3 April 2009 I think Flynny's point is that, yes, it's sad that the poor thing has died and yes it's likely tragic to it's owners - but wishing that it "rest in peace" is probably a little bit weird.Especially comparing the death of a horse to the death of one's mother. I think his point was a gash pun.
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