So much for looking after our people....

[davieG]

It cannot be any worse than the endless spin, reannouncement of the same funding and populist nonsense that we have put up with for the last 12 years. Labour have been more interested in the appearance of doing something and spinning results to say they have than actually doing it. You cannot deny that in all areas of public life the bureaucracy and time wasting have increased.

Sorry but i don't see the relevance of your response to my reply

[Flynny]

You could have posted 99% of that under the previous Tory government and the government's previous to that.

There's been a ongoing decline in morality and what passes as acceptable behaviour through successive governments probably since Victorian times, so it's inevitably reached a peak. It would be naive to believe that much of the above could be curtailed by electing another government what ever their hue was.

I love it when people eulogise the past. I'd like to think that an erosion of bigotry and people being overly judgemental as well as millions less living in squalor is a small price to pay, personally.

[Edmund]

It's all about them Africans and their monkey AIDS this is.

Well if the welsh women wernt such wog sockets then it would have never spread into Britain.

[Finnegan]

I was born here, blud.

Sorry.

Africans and Kareem.

[lookwhaticando]

We need leaflets to combat the problem.

I have just the thing...

[Corky]

Put something on the end of it.

Simple

[Zingari]

Put something on the end of it.

Simple

YEAH like a grown up woman for a start

[Corky]

YEAH like a grown up woman for a start

Exactly

[Guest]

Put something on the end of it.

Simple

Straight from the School of J Kyle.

Sorry Thrac, but the moral decline that has affected society has been going on for years, and it's nothing to do with government, it's all about people not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions, and in terms of sex education today, it is the responsibility of the parents to teach their children, not anyone else.

The girl in my year at school whose parents forbade her to attend any sex ed lessons at school was a mum at 16, still believing that babies were found in gooseberry bushes. Everyone knows the stork brings them

[Koke]

Sorry.

Africans and Kareem.

[Finnegan]

Ooooh... naggers.

[Zingari]

Sorry but i don't see the relevance of your response to my reply

The Hanging Gardens of Babylon

[Corky]

Straight from the School of J Kyle.

Sorry Thrac, but the moral decline that has affected society has been going on for years, and it's nothing to do with government, it's all about people not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions, and in terms of sex education today, it is the responsibility of the parents to teach their children, not anyone else.

The girl in my year at school whose parents forbade her to attend any sex ed lessons at school was a mum at 16, still believing that babies were found in gooseberry bushes. Everyone knows the stork brings them

Of course

And spot on

[Red Leicester]

The answer is Hazel Blears

[Thracian]

Straight from the School of J Kyle.

Sorry Thrac, but the moral decline that has affected society has been going on for years, and it's nothing to do with government, it's all about people not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions, and in terms of sex education today, it is the responsibility of the parents to teach their children, not anyone else.

The girl in my year at school whose parents forbade her to attend any sex ed lessons at school was a mum at 16, still believing that babies were found in gooseberry bushes. Everyone knows the stork brings them

Again, I don't care how long it's gone on. I care about what's happening now.

Lots of kids haven't got parents - not two of them at least - and you've only got to read that recent "who's the underage father" saga to realise just how much parental inadequacy exists.

Of course it's to do with government. They dictate education policies, they do lots to change and dictate other attitudes, they are in a position to provide youngsters with adventurous and challenging things to do and places to go where they'll have decent surroundings and people who'll help give them a solid outlook.

They can do much more to encourage family and moral values but they don't. In fact day by day we see that the standards they set, and in so many ways, are pathetic.

Just because you have a strong character and, presumably, a sound and caring upbringing, doesn't mean that others are not surrounded by indifference and poor role-models.

How do you get a teenaged girl to be sexually responsible when mum can't keep a bloke for more than a few weeks and changes her lovers like she does her knickers.

And what hope is there for lads to grow up with a sense of responsibility when their father has long disappeared and mum's new lover doesn't give a shit about them, much less want to talk to them about their love lives?

I've not noticed any moral decline in my household and I doubt there's much in yours or Singhy's, for example.

But right from the top in politics, in schools, in the church and in supposedly caring environments there's bad example and suspicion to the point where people who work with kids now have to have their backgrounds checked and folk like vicars, youth club leaders and scoutmasters are now viewed with suspicion as a matter of course.

How has that come about? People didn't change but suddenly the whole subject prompts a media circus instead of being treated with far more sensitivity and discretion.

Hell, a trainer can't put his arm around a kid who's broken his ankle in modern Britain without risk to his reputation - and all because of the flak released by exceptional events.

You say moral decline has been going on for years but we didn't have the subject of perverts and paedophiles thrust into our faces all the time as is the case today.

Nor could we access every sexual deviation at the touch of a button and grow up seeing the subject portrayed in such a soulless and unloving way.

Are you really saying governments can't help to change that? Because if you are then, for a person with such obvious intelligence, you surprise me.

[Fosse Boy]

The answer is Hazel Blears

:|

[Guest Bilo]

Straight from the School of J Kyle.

Sorry Thrac, but the moral decline that has affected society has been going on for years, and it's nothing to do with government, it's all about people not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions, and in terms of sex education today, it is the responsibility of the parents to teach their children, not anyone else.

The girl in my year at school whose parents forbade her to attend any sex ed lessons at school was a mum at 16, still believing that babies were found in gooseberry bushes. Everyone knows the stork brings them

But who rods the stork?

[Fosse Boy]

She certainly didn't look a very happy slapper to me.

* Awaits vicious attacks from female members *

But who rods the stork?

lol

You sir, are on fire this evening.

[Guest]

Rant

You act like STDs are a new phenomenon - they are not.

You act like teenage pregnancies are a new phenomenon - they are not.

You act like single parent families are a new phenomenon - they are not.

You act like paedophiles are a new phenomenon - they are not.

As a matter of fact, a relative of mine was murdered by a paedo back in the 1920s. The difference is that these things were rarely reported "back in the day". With increased mass media, all these issues are more prominent, and allows the moral majority to "tut" a lot, and tell us how this country is being failed, and it's all somebody else's fault, and it wasn't like it was "when we were younger". Which was to brush issues like this under the carpet and pretend that it isn't happening.

But who rods the stork?

[Thracian]

You act like STDs are a new phenomenon - they are not.

You act like teenage pregnancies are a new phenomenon - they are not.

You act like single parent families are a new phenomenon - they are not.

You act like paedophiles are a new phenomenon - they are not.

As a matter of fact, a relative of mine was murdered by a paedo back in the 1920s. The difference is that these things were rarely reported "back in the day". With increased mass media, all these issues are more prominent, and allows the moral majority to "tut" a lot, and tell us how this country is being failed, and it's all somebody else's fault, and it wasn't like it was "when we were younger". Which was to brush issues like this under the carpet and pretend that it isn't happening.

I don't "act" or think like that at all. In fact I need no convincing that things were covered up in the past.

But the huge increase in STD's, and worse still, the increase in types of STD's being seen and the fact that so many are incrable, has nothing to do with the situation in the past.

[Corky]

I don't "act" or think like that at all. In fact I need no convincing that things were covered up in the past.

But the huge increase in STD's, and worse still, the increase in types of STD's being seen and the fact that so many are incrable, has nothing to do with the situation in the past.

But people have always known there is a real risk of picking up STD's if they don't use condoms, and there are many clinics where people can find the information needed about STD's and how to prevent them.

You've got to take responsiblity for your actions, I don't think this is the Government's fault.

[Guest]

I don't "act" or think like that at all. In fact I need no convincing that things were covered up in the past.

But the huge increase in STD's, and worse still, the increase in types of STD's being seen and the fact that so many are incrable, has nothing to do with the situation in the past.

Is there really a huge increase though? Could it not be that more people are getting tested for them? And that we are able to test for them more easily? After all, some STD's can be symptomless.

[Thracian]

Is there really a huge increase though? Could it not be that more people are getting tested for them? And that we are able to test for them more easily? After all, some STD's can be symptomless.

I suppose all the new and untreatable STD's have been here all the time too, and have just not been noticed......

Anyway, it looks a pretty grim picture to me especially considering the situation in other countries and the inevitable effect of massive migration.

http://www.healthdirect.co.uk/2007/09/sex-...n-10-girls.html

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/30332.php

http://library.unesco-iicba.org/English/HI...in%20Africa.htm

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/epid-std.html

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

You say that there's a liberal attitude towards sex, but most of the people on this forum are virgins, or lack sexual activity!! So Thrac, if you can tell me and the rest of the forum, where there are people with liberal attitudes towards sex, it would be much appreciated, personally I just want to be a statistic!!!

Just how the hell do you know that most of the people on this forum are virgins or lacking in sexual experience? What utter rubbish! Do you have the gift of second sight? I don't think so.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Straight from the School of J Kyle.

Sorry Thrac, but the moral decline that has affected society has been going on for years, and it's nothing to do with government, it's all about people not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions, and in terms of sex education today, it is the responsibility of the parents to teach their children, not anyone else.

The girl in my year at school whose parents forbade her to attend any sex ed lessons at school was a mum at 16, still believing that babies were found in gooseberry bushes. Everyone knows the stork brings them

Well said, Lisa, 100% correct! See, even a moron like me has a little sense.