Finders Keepers?

[Bellend Sebastian]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8129534.stm

Your comments please, brethren.

Personally I find it a bit scary that people are willing to live their life according to some stupid saying

[davieG]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8129534.stm

Your comments please, brethren.

Personally I find it a bit scary that people are willing to live their life according to some stupid saying

I believe some of this may be down to our scepticism and cynicism regarding the honesty of those we might have to hand these found goods over to.

Certainly I find it difficult to believe that cash would find it's way back to it's owner.

I'm not condoning it just have my doubts.

[lou]

Cant help but feel its a bit harsh on the ppl who found the lottery ticket. She should have taken better care of it. If they hadnt have found it and cashed it she wouldnt have got the winnings anyway, it would have remained unclaimed. Should have split 50/50 IMO

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I take it the finders didn't make an out of court settlement offer of a £1 for the ticket!

[Guest]

We went into this on my criminal law module, and the logic behind it all is interesting.

Yes, the person who bought the ticket should have taken more care, but really, how many times have you rifled through your pockets, purse or bag, and things have fallen out without you knowing it? Bits of paper especially?

Apparently, until someone sticks their name on the back of the lottery ticket, it is the property of Camelot, and buying a ticket is a form of contract; you pay consideration for the chance of winning a prize. To then pass the ticket off as your own when you never entered into the initial contract is fraud. Rules and laws like this are there to protect people who have made a mistake, i.e. losing a ticket.

The right thing to do is to hand the ticket in as lost, and if it isn't claimed, you then get the prize. That is 'finders keepers'.

[The People's Hero]

Two points from Woolers (often a barometer for public opinion in the underwriting fraternity and footballing brotherhood alike).

I haven't read the article but if it's what I saw on the tellybox just now whilst absorbing a bit of 815: Underwriting Management, I find it disturbing that:

1) The world has gone mad. They've stolen it. It wasn't theirs. Yet they don't have to pay it all back. How did it go? You'll have to pay back what you haven't spent? Doesn't that reward criminals (in theory) who spend their SWAG (written on a sack and carried over the shoulder) quickly? 'Oh, you've spent it? Not to worry then' ??

2) These people don't deserve to win the lottery. They've only spent £15k. Give me a £30k lottery win and I'd have three helicopters, a small Caribbean Island (with a helipad), sixteen houses (all in Bideford), the whole of S****horpe, a gold plated cheese-grater and all the murray mints I could eat... all within days. I'd go mad and die at 29 wit £4.3billion of debt. That's what lottery winners do.

[AoWW]

We went into this on my criminal law module, and the logic behind it all is interesting.

Yes, the person who bought the ticket should have taken more care, but really, how many times have you rifled through your pockets, purse or bag, and things have fallen out without you knowing it? Bits of paper especially?

Apparently, until someone sticks their name on the back of the lottery ticket, it is the property of Camelot, and buying a ticket is a form of contract; you pay consideration for the chance of winning a prize. To then pass the ticket off as your own when you never entered into the initial contract is fraud. Rules and laws like this are there to protect people who have made a mistake, i.e. losing a ticket.

The right thing to do is to hand the ticket in as lost, and if it isn't claimed, you then get the prize. That is 'finders keepers'.

So is the moral to always immediately write your name on the back of any 'found' lottery ticket?

[Salieri]

We went into this on my criminal law module, and the logic behind it all is interesting.

Yes, the person who bought the ticket should have taken more care, but really, how many times have you rifled through your pockets, purse or bag, and things have fallen out without you knowing it? Bits of paper especially?

Apparently, until someone sticks their name on the back of the lottery ticket, it is the property of Camelot, and buying a ticket is a form of contract; you pay consideration for the chance of winning a prize. To then pass the ticket off as your own when you never entered into the initial contract is fraud. Rules and laws like this are there to protect people who have made a mistake, i.e. losing a ticket.

The right thing to do is to hand the ticket in as lost, and if it isn't claimed, you then get the prize. That is 'finders keepers'.

Plus, you would like to think that if it was claimed by the rightful owner, they would give a tidy share of the winnings as a "thankyou for your honesty".

Or, am I just being naive.

[AoWW]

Two points from Woolers (often a barometer for public opinion in the underwriting fraternity and footballing brotherhood alike).

I haven't read the article but if it's what I saw on the tellybox just now whilst absorbing a bit of 815: Underwriting Management, I find it disturbing that:

1) The world has gone mad. They've stolen it. It wasn't theirs. Yet they don't have to pay it all back. How did it go? You'll have to pay back what you haven't spent? Doesn't that reward criminals (in theory) who spend their SWAG (written on a sack and carried over the shoulder) quickly? 'Oh, you've spent it? Not to worry then' ??

2) These people don't deserve to win the lottery. They've only spent £15k. Give me a £30k lottery win and I'd have three helicopters, a small Caribbean Island (with a helipad), sixteen houses (all in Bideford), the whole of S****horpe, a gold plated cheese-grater and all the murray mints I could eat... all within days. I'd go mad and die at 29 wit £4.3billion of debt. That's what lottery winners do.

No lighthouse? What about the lighthouse?

[The People's Hero]

No lighthouse? What about the lighthouse?

One of the properties I'd buy in Bideford would be a lighthouse.

Otherwise I'd build one. In S****horpe. Out of breeze blocks and old cd jewel cases.

ps so far, in this thread, we've had brethren, brotherhood and fraternity.

Can YOU feel the love?

[Guest]

So is the moral to always immediately write your name on the back of any 'found' lottery ticket?

That is adding fuel to the fire. Always write your name on the back of your own lottery ticket. They can tell where the lottery ticket was bought, and should ask the claimant really if it's significant money, and this is why I suspect the woman who bought the ticket is suing Camelot.

Plus, you would like to think that if it was claimed by the rightful owner, they would give a tidy share of the winnings as a "thankyou for your honesty".

Or, am I just being naive.

I might send them a book token. Can you still get book tokens?

[Bellend Sebastian]

One of the properties I'd buy in Bideford would be a lighthouse.

Otherwise I'd build one. In S****horpe. Out of breeze blocks and old cd jewel cases.

ps so far, in this thread, we've had brethren, brotherhood and fraternity.

Can YOU feel the love?

Yes, it's sticking in my back, I can't get comfortable.

Hello Jim!

I agree that people that lose things should be more careful. Whenever I lose things I always think I should have been more careful. But if I lose something I don't think that should transfer its ownership to someone else

[The People's Hero]

I think Alanis Morissette summed this all up most succinctly when she penned the song 'Ironic'.

It's like a black fly in your chardonnay. The black fly is the lottery ticket and the chardonnay represents the legal wranglings.

Forgot that chap who predicted the end of the world, 9/11 etc, Alanis is the prophet who we ought to be giving our attention.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

We went into this on my criminal law module, and the logic behind it all is interesting.

Yes, the person who bought the ticket should have taken more care, but really, how many times have you rifled through your pockets, purse or bag, and things have fallen out without you knowing it? Bits of paper especially?

Apparently, until someone sticks their name on the back of the lottery ticket, it is the property of Camelot, and buying a ticket is a form of contract; you pay consideration for the chance of winning a prize. To then pass the ticket off as your own when you never entered into the initial contract is fraud. Rules and laws like this are there to protect people who have made a mistake, i.e. losing a ticket.

The right thing to do is to hand the ticket in as lost, and if it isn't claimed, you then get the prize. That is 'finders keepers'.

Couln't agree more.

I was brought up with the saying "Honesty is the best policy".

[Guest]

Couln't agree more.

I was brought up with the saying "Honesty is the best policy".

That and "treat others the way you want to be treated". It's a shame so few think like that these days.

[davieG]

Couln't agree more.

I was brought up with the saying "Honesty is the best policy".

That and "treat others the way you want to be treated". It's a shame so few think like that these days.

Same here unfortunately those that run the Country and big business don't seem to have heard of it.

At least in the past when we were ruled by the gentry & the rich whilst most lived in real poverty there were a fair few philanthropic (probably through guilt and an attempt to buy their way to heaven) people around.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Same here unfortunately those that run the Country and big business don't seem to have heard of it.

At least in the past when we were ruled by the gentry & the rich whilst most lived in real poverty there were a fair few philanthropic (probably through guilt and an attempt to buy their way to heaven) people around.

By God, you have really hit an interesting subject! Well done. Quite fascinating.

I could really get on well with tou, though I doubt you feel the same.

[davieG]

By God, you have really hit an interesting subject! Well done. Quite fascinating.

I could really get on well with tou, though I doubt you feel the same.

If that was sarcasm, well it's just one opinion on, in the scheme of world wide attention a minor forum. If it wasn't well there's not too many people I don't get on with as I'm fairly harmless and probably the most average person in the world.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

If that was sarcasm, well it's just one opinion on, in the scheme of world wide attention a minor forum. If it wasn't well there's not too many people I don't get on with as I'm fairly harmless and probably the most average person in the world.

No, no sarcasm intended.

[Jon the Hat]

Same here unfortunately those that run the Country and big business don't seem to have heard of it.

At least in the past when we were ruled by the gentry & the rich whilst most lived in real poverty there were a fair few philanthropic (probably through guilt and an attempt to buy their way to heaven) people around.

Yeah! There is far too little guilt and buying-ones-way-to-heaven going on these days. I blame Labour - they have told us for 12 years they had everything covered and we could spend the value of our house on Fast Cars and Cristal - so we don't feel guilty anymore. Add to this the fact that they take all of my spare cash in tax, and hey presto! No charitable giving.

[Jon the Hat]

The big question here is how losers weepers turned into losers sue anyone nearby who might concievably be held responsible for their inability to hold a piece of paper.