BoneDog Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Pretty tame stuff from the audience I thought. Sounded like most people were politely applauding. Idiots. Should of been silence, polite jeering or a football chant along the lines of '...so and so, what a winker, what a winker...'
Thracian Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Nobody is, they're just putting a lid on anyone's expectation who thinks Griffin's about to actually express the more sinister beliefs on his party's manifesto.Why the need to jump up and try to defend the man? I'm surprised you even ask because as long as I've been on here I've let it be known that I detest hypocrisy. It is, of course, hypocritical for someone to criticise a politician for trying to show himself in a good light when every other politician will be careful to do the same. And for you - with your socialist philosophy - to mention Griffin's so far mainly rhetorical politics as "sinister" while uttering not a word of criticism against the genuinely deadly politics of Tony Blair and his heir defies reason to me. Just look at these figures Finners and give it some thought. Close to threequarters of a million civilians killed in Iraq because of their mythical "weapons of mass destruction" and two million killed or injured in that war overall before we even think about the misery of Afghanistan. How sinister would Griffin need to be to match that? Imagine not only the deaths and the people maimed but the houses destroyed, the places of work, the sense of wellbeing, the hopelessness of it all, the constant fear, the lifetime left of nursing and caring necessary. In that context Griffin might qualify as a saint. And all that's before I even touch on the lives that have been left in ruin by this supposedly caring Labour administration. I find class warfare as sinister and insidious as racism but Labour hasn't even helped or served the very workers that gave them their ticket to power but rather left millions of them begging for help from the welfare state and feeling both useless, demotivated and with little or no chance of getting a pride-restoring job. So when you talk about "sinister" you might first look to your own beliefs. Because what flies under the flag of modern socialism stinks. Of bodies in foreign lands and of the shit that hypocrisy so represents. http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html
Thracian Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Any marriage carried out in another country that is lawful, is recognised in the UK. Whether it's polygamous, marriage to a minors etc. It's not for the UK to tell other countries what should or should not be a legal marriage. If that makes sense. Doesn't make it right. It's our country and if people choose to live here it should be within the framework of our laws. There should be good reasons for those laws as I would have thought you would appreciate.
Guest Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Doesn't make it right. It's our country and if people choose to live here it should be within the framework of our laws. There should be good reasons for those laws as I would have thought you would appreciate. Marriage comes under family law, it's a different ball park. How would you like it if you travelled somewhere and was told your marriage was illegal? It works the other way. Why should we go and impose our laws on other countries? Because there have been enough Brits who travel abroad and expect to behave like they do on a night out in [insert chav town] only to be shocked when they are arrested and charged. Similarly, Brits travel abroad, behave like cocks and get away with it.
Thracian Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 It works the other way. Why should we go and impose our laws on other countries? Because there have been enough Brits who travel abroad and expect to behave like they do on a night out in [insert chav town] only to be shocked when they are arrested and charged. When have I ever suggested we impose our laws on other countries? Quite the contrary. I have no sympathy whatsoever with people arrested for breaking the laws of other nations. You go there, you should respect and abide by their rules.
BoneDog Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 And for you - with your socialist philosophy - to mention Griffin's so far mainly rhetorical politics as "sinister" while uttering not a word of criticism against the genuinely deadly politics of Tony Blair and his heir defies reason to me. Surely Tony Blair is not a socialist though? Labour might of talked a slightly left wing game before they were elected whenever it was in the 90's, but pretty sharpish their actions started to prove that they are now firmly right of centre. Maybe even further right than the blues in my opinion.
Thracian Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Marriage comes under family law, it's a different ball park. How would you like it if you travelled somewhere and was told your marriage was illegal? No-one is talking about travelling somewhere as in visiting a country on holiday or on business. But I wouldn't dream of moving to a country where my marriage would be illegal. And neither should anyone else. Our laws are made to serve our people and our nation and should be applied to and respected by all.
Budweiser Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 No-one is talking about travelling somewhere as in visiting a country on holiday or on business. But I wouldn't dream of moving to a country where my marriage would be illegal. And neither should anyone else. Our laws are made to serve our people and our nation and should be applied to and respected by all. No matter what anyone says, your spot on.
Thracian Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Surely Tony Blair is not a socialist though? Labour might of talked a slightly left wing game before they were elected whenever it was in the 90's, but pretty sharpish their actions started to prove that they are now firmly right of centre. Maybe even further right than the blues in my opinion. He's sure feathered his nest like a capitalist, I'll agree with that. And if there was any justice he'd send every penny to the families of those whose lives are on his hands.
Guest Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 No-one is talking about travelling somewhere as in visiting a country on holiday or on business. But I wouldn't dream of moving to a country where my marriage would be illegal. And neither should anyone else. Our laws are made to serve our people and our nation and should be applied to and respected by all. Our laws do that, and nobody is breaking any laws. A lawful marriage performed outside the UK is not unlawful except in certain circumstances. If a polygamous marriage is legal in the country it took place, it is legal in the UK.
Thracian Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Our laws do that, and nobody is breaking any laws. A lawful marriage performed outside the UK is not unlawful except in certain circumstances. If a polygamous marriage is legal in the country it took place, it is legal in the UK. I might have expected that. But our laws of marriage should apply to everyone and anyone living here. It is quite unfair and undesirable that people should be able to live here under laws that are different to those that apply to the residents of this country. Indeed it is just like saying "Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others".
BoneDog Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 He's sure feathered his next like a capitalist, I'll agree with that. And if there was any justice he'd send every penny to the families of those whose lives on on his hands. Yes I agree. He's even still making a big wage as the Middle East peace envoy or something like that. You couldn't make it up
Guest Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 I might have expected that. But our laws of marriage should apply to everyone and anyone living here. It is quite unfair and undesirable that people should be able to live here under laws that are different to those that apply to the residents of this country.Indeed it is just like saying "Everyone is equal but some are more equal than others". Right, let's look at this another way. A female friend of mine has tattoos. In some countries, tattoos on women is against their law. Are you saying my friend, who for this argument's sake, is in love with a man from one of these countries is not allowed to move their with her soon to be husband because of her tattoos?
Thracian Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Yes I agree. He's even still making a big wage as the Middle East peace envoy or something like that. You couldn't make it up Yes, having played his part in killing and maiming the equivalent of a small country, he's now cashing in on saying sorry. Doubtless the victims' families are so pleased.
Thracian Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Right, let's look at this another way.A female friend of mine has tattoos. In some countries, tattoos on women is against their law. Are you saying my friend, who for this argument's sake, is in love with a man from one of these countries is not allowed to move their with her soon to be husband because of her tattoos? Yes. Because it's illegal. She should stay where she is or move somewhere where she won't offend the law. You will never have laws that don't conflict with some people's beliefs, opinions or situations. That doesn't mean the laws should be modified or ignored. I don't notice you wanting to change the law cos I don't like driving at 30mph when the streets are empty. Or to allow me to have four wives because I fancy making the best of my later years and perhaps doing my best for Christian population levels.
Part Of The Crowd Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 He's getting laid into, I'm loving this, far more emotion in this than other episodes of QT. I could get used to this.
maddog Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 Great start to the show. Guy in the suit and glasses having a go, legend Get Griffin on every week.
Part Of The Crowd Posted 22 October 2009 Posted 22 October 2009 'Do not interupt me, Frankly if I was a member of the BNP I'd be scared right now'
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