lou Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8313680.stm Personally Id love to see him on there as Im sure he'll make a complete arse of himself
BoneDog Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 I'm hoping he's on. His party is allowed to run in elections and have been elected in a few places (including my area) so I can't see why they are not allowed onto a political debate programme. I really hope he ducks it up though, which is highly possible
Ford Super Sunday Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 I saw him on Sky News yesterday.. He said that left wing feminists were 'gargoyle monstrosities' and then proceeded to try and justify being against interracial marriage by saying that it is destroying cultures. the man is an eejit of the highest order, and I just hope the other panellists make a mockery of him.
breadandcheese Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 To be honest, this is one of those situations where I can be honest and say I don't know whether he should be allowed on or not onto question time. Part of me says yes he should, as he should be embarrassed and shown up as a racist and a disgrace to politics. Here is an opportunity to do this. Part of me says no, as to invite him onto a platform alongside the other main parties is to give the BNP a degree of legitimacy, discussing topics such as taxation, public debt, education, etc. They're not an everyday party and should not be treated as one.
Dr The Singh Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8313680.stmPersonally Id love to see him on there as Im sure he'll make a complete arse of himself Lou, I wish that were true,.......unfortunately he is an astute politician and like many politicans will aviod giving answers to questions which may bafoon him. Personally I think this is a bad idea, he will use it as a pedastool to air this belief that the BNP are a non racist party built on britishness. He will just target the muslims and terrorist as the enemy and will be very compassionate to issues that concern the white working class!!!
BoneDog Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 I think our government or lawmakers or whoever have already legitimized the BNP by allowing their party to run in elections and sit on councils. Apparantly they already have over 100 council seats from what I can gather from Stormfront. Found this response to them winning 100 seats for the first time on that forum, it's the first time I've looked at that place : " This is great news! I guess that Paki, Negroes and Indians are a bit worried now... :mrgreen: " God help us
davieG Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 To be honest, this is one of those situations where I can be honest and say I don't know whether he should be allowed on or not onto question time.Part of me says yes he should, as he should be embarrassed and shown up as a racist and a disgrace to politics. Here is an opportunity to do this. Part of me says no, as to invite him onto a platform alongside the other main parties is to give the BNP a degree of legitimacy, discussing topics such as taxation, public debt, education, etc. They're not an everyday party and should not be treated as one. Banning him will give him and the BNP significantly more publicity and air time. He'll be on the news spouting off and gives him another angle on which to engage the ignorant in our society. Fundamentally if people are allowed to vote for them they should be allowed a voice so people can make their own minds up and other parties should counter their manifesto with. Besides if Hain reckons they are illegal how come they are allowed to exist?
MPH Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 agree with Dr singh here.... As of right now they are not a legitimate political party - they do not let black people join ( who would want to is besides the pont!) and that is illegal. He is an evil, wicked man.. he claims: Without the White race, nothing matters. [Other right-wing parties] believe that the answer to the race question is integration and a futile attempt to create ‘Black Britons’, while we affirm that non-Whites have no place here at all and will not rest until every last one has left our land.Sicko To give someone who believes such trash a platform that he will no doubt exploit to try and give an air of normality, is just plain wrong, in my opinion he was convicted of inciting racial hatred for goodness sake he should not be seen as a politician worthy of being given a soap box.
breadandcheese Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Banning him will give him and the BNP significantly more publicity and air time. He'll be on the news spouting off and gives him another angle on which to engage the ignorant in our society.Fundamentally if people are allowed to vote for them they should be allowed a voice so people can make their own minds up and other parties should counter their manifesto with. Besides if Hain reckons they are illegal how come they are allowed to exist? You're right, banning the BNP now would give them more publicity, so I guess it's got to go ahead, regardless of the rubbish Peter Hain is spouting. I guess the question is more at the original decision to invite them onto question time in the first place. (I do hope that the BBC's invite was not based on a ratings boost or anything like that) Not inviting them onto question time is not denying them a voice, nor denying them freedom of speech. It is simply denying them a platform. Like the Singh says, Griffin is no fool. He will not be ambushed or discredited easily. For him, Thursday night is about using the BBC as a platform to present the BNP as a respectable party and put the idea in a few people's heads that they are a possible option for people if they become disillusioned with the party they currently vote for. The BBC could very well be using itself as a vehicle for this legitimacy. Ideally, I side with the argument that the BNP should be on there and be embarrassed by force of argument so that they sink into the racist pit from where they came. It just could backfire and I guess that's the worry.
davieG Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 You're right, banning the BNP now would give them more publicity, so I guess it's got to go ahead, regardless of the rubbish Peter Hain is spouting. I guess the question is more at the original decision to invite them onto question time in the first place. (I do hope that the BBC's invite was not based on a ratings boost or anything like that)Not inviting them onto question time is not denying them a voice, nor denying them freedom of speech. It is simply denying them platform. Like the Singh says, Griffin is no fool. He will not be ambushed or discredited easily. For him, Thursday night is about using the BBC as a platform to present the BNP as a respectable party and put the idea in a few people's heads that they are a possible option for people if they become disillusioned with the party they currently vote for. The BBC could very well be using itself as a vehicle for this legitimacy. Ideally, I side with the argument that the BNP should be on there and be embarrassed by force of argument so that they sink into the racist pit from where they came. It just could backfire and I guess that's the worry. It's certainly a toughie but then as we can see elsewhere in the world democracy is not easy and even we are moving away from it with so much power over individuals now in the hands of government and their servants.This is one conspiracy, of using terrorism as an excuse for total control over the populous that El Empty talks about that i can go along with.
James. Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Banning him will give him and the BNP significantly more publicity and air time. He'll be on the news spouting off and gives him another angle on which to engage the ignorant in our society. Hmm, I'm not so sure. I think the damage is already done in terms of publicity. Fundamentally if people are allowed to vote for them they should be allowed a voice so people can make their own minds up and other parties should counter their manifesto with. Besides if Hain reckons they are illegal how come they are allowed to exist? Yeah I've been wondering about that. I keep hearing they're illegal so why are they allowed to hold council seats? In my opinion he should be let on because it represents a good opportunity for his views to be exposed and ridiculed. I just hope that the right people are on the stage who have the balls and intelligence to make him look the racist cunt he really is. Fingers crossed for some egg throwing as well. That would be nice.
Joe. Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 I hope he's on, it'll definitely make comic viewing on Thursday night. Quite looking forward to it in some twisted way...
lou Posted 19 October 2009 Author Posted 19 October 2009 Lou, I wish that were true,.......unfortunately he is an astute politician and like many politicans will aviod giving answers to questions which may bafoon him.Personally I think this is a bad idea, he will use it as a pedastool to air this belief that the BNP are a non racist party built on britishness. He will just target the muslims and terrorist as the enemy and will be very compassionate to issues that concern the white working class!!! Thats not what Ive seen of him on TV maybe its just me but I always think he comes across as a complete baffoon
FilboFox Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 I hope he is allowed on Question Time as it'd be great to see him there... just to show everyone how utterly moronic he and the BNP party are. It'd be the best Question Time for ages... bit like pantomime with the crowd booing everything he'd say!
Ford Super Sunday Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Annoying thing is... If he's assassinated, we'll never see it, cos QT is recorded at about 8pm, and then shown at 10:35pm. Shame, should be live for that potential JFK moment.
Dr The Singh Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Thats not what Ive seen of him on TV maybe its just me but I always think he comes across as a complete baffoon I hope your right Lou!!
BoneDog Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 It's certainly a toughie but then as we can see elsewhere in the world democracy is not easy and even we are moving away from it with so much power over individuals now in the hands of government and their servants.This is one conspiracy, of using terrorism as an excuse for total control over the populous that El Empty talks about that i can go along with. I also think he might be onto something when he mentions Jesus coming back in a UFO. I like it !
maddog Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Surely banning him would be racist towards him. Just let him on, he's got the same rights as everyone else as a political leader surely. All the others have robbed us anyway.
Koke Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 "A cricket match between England and the West Indies. Who do you support?" "Easy....Millwall"
Dr The Singh Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Surely banning him would be racist towards him.Just let him on, he's got the same rights as everyone else as a political leader surely. All the others have robbed us anyway. On what grounds, they wouldn't be banning him because of his race but his racist views!!! It's like saying they won't allow abu hamza (the hook) a radical muslim cleric anytime on the show as being racist!!
Zingari Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 if not so many people were voting for him and his party , it would be highly unlikely that there would even be a consideration of inviting him onto a mainstream current affairs discussion programme . it only shows that something is very rotten in the state
l444ry Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Should we permit those who would deny free speech to others because of their colour or religion to enjoy freedom of speech themselves? Of course not!!!http://councillorterrykelly.blogspot.com/2009/10/question-time-bnp-and-freedom-of-speech. The way to deal with scum like this is not to allow them on to TV, ban them as an illegal political party and jail them when they raise their ugly heads to protest. We don’t need to wait to be shown how evil and depraved they are - we already know. Do you wait for a foaming rat to bite you or do you just kill it before it gets the chance? These knuckle dragging goons would have supported the Nazis in the last war so what more do we need to know?
Zingari Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Should we permit those who would deny free speech to others because of their colour or religion to enjoy freedom of speech themselves? Of course not!!!The way to deal with scum like this is not to allow them on to TV, ban them as an illegal political party and jail them when they raise their ugly heads to protest. We don’t need to wait to be shown how evil and depraved they are - we already know. Do you wait for a foaming rat to bite you or do you just kill it before it gets the chance? These knuckle dragging goons would have supported the Nazis in the last war so what more do we need to know? why didn't you post the whole of terry kelly's blog ? http://councillorterrykelly.blogspot.com/2...-of-speech.html
MPH Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Surely banning him would be racist towards him.Just let him on, he's got the same rights as everyone else as a political leader surely. All the others have robbed us anyway. oh my goodness me.
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