Guest Bilo Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 I have no doubt that Griffin will be allowed onto the programme, as to ban him from it at the last minute would be a publicity gift for the BNP. It would say that the establishment were scared of him having the opportunity to air his views, and suggest that he had won the argument before it had even begun in the minds of his supporters. Once allowed onto the programme, he will undoubtedly be absolutely destroyed by far more honourable and intelligent panel members as well as the audience, showing precisely what a weak and laughable rabble the BNP actually are. Let him humiliate himself and his party, that will prove far more damaging thaan censoring him altogether.
Fosse Boy Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 "A cricket match between England and the West Indies. Who do you support?" "Easy....Millwall" Brilliant. I personally don't agree with giving him a platform, but it would definitely be a huge PR coup for him now if they were to ban him, and I must admit it'll probably be compelling viewing on Thursday night.
Corky Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Brilliant. I personally don't agree with giving him a platform, but it would definitely be a huge PR coup for him now if they were to ban him, and I must admit it'll probably be compelling viewing on Thursday night. Most of the programme will be spent questioning him and trying to catch him out. I've watched the show fleetingly before but I'll definitely watch this week's show right through. Should be very entertaining.
davieG Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Should we permit those who would deny free speech to others because of their colour or religion to enjoy freedom of speech themselves? Of course not!!!http://councillorterrykelly.blogspot.com/2009/10/question-time-bnp-and-freedom-of-speech.The way to deal with scum like this is not to allow them on to TV, ban them as an illegal political party and jail them when they raise their ugly heads to protest. We don't need to wait to be shown how evil and depraved they are - we already know. Do you wait for a foaming rat to bite you or do you just kill it before it gets the chance? These knuckle dragging goons would have supported the Nazis in the last war so what more do we need to know? If they are illegal as Hain suggests then it's not down to the BBC or any other media to ban him it's up to the current government to take action to make them officially illegal. If they can't.wont do that then it's bit strong expecting the BBC to do their dirty work. Hain should put up or shut up.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Griffin's appearance on Doubt Time in question?
dandannieldanok Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Should we permit those who would deny free speech to others because of their colour or religion to enjoy freedom of speech themselves? Of course not!!!http://councillorterrykelly.blogspot.com/2009/10/question-time-bnp-and-freedom-of-speech.The way to deal with scum like this is not to allow them on to TV, ban them as an illegal political party and jail them when they raise their ugly heads to protest. We don’t need to wait to be shown how evil and depraved they are - we already know. Do you wait for a foaming rat to bite you or do you just kill it before it gets the chance? These knuckle dragging goons would have supported the Nazis in the last war so what more do we need to know? Completely agree, I don't think Griffin and his scum party should be allowed any media coverage at all.
Daggers Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Of course he should be able to speak on the show - he is an elected politician. It's one of the basic freedoms my Grandad fought for and then my Dad joined up to defend. I piss on him and all his ignorant kind, but a democracy is about allowing people to hold opinions different from your own (apart from anyone on this forum who fails to agree with mine). If he isn't allowed a chance to make himself look a total cunt then our political system suffers.
Guest Bilo Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Of course he should be able to speak on the show - he is an elected politician. It's one of the basic freedoms my Grandad fought for and then my Dad joined up to defend. I piss on him and all his ignorant kind, but a democracy is about allowing people to hold opinions different from your own (apart from anyone on this forum who fails to agree with mine).If he isn't allowed a chance to make himself look a total cunt then our political system suffers. Agree with this. Censorship isn't democracy, democracy is allowing people to express their opinion even if it offends others. It is, as you say, a basic freedom for anyone living within our society even if they do happen to an ignorant, racist waste of blood and organs like Nick Griffin. The last thing we want is for him to be able to paint himself as a martyr for free speech as though he were a victim of oppression, we might as well roll over and accept a BNP MP in the Commons if that happens. Such people are far better dealt with by being made to look the knob-rashes that they are, and the best way to do that is to let them air their ludicrous views in public. Once Griffin does that on Thursday night and he is turned into a laughing stock by the likes of Dimbleby, Hain and others it will become clear to even the most moronic individuals how unelectable and foolish the BNP really are. That is how a healthy democracy should work, it should not fear a nothing party that may or may not have the ability to lure the naive or bigoted into taking their message seriously. Let Griffin's desperate attempt to make his party appear a respectable one backfire, then hopefully this miserable gang of bigots can be banished to the political wilderness where they so clearly belong.
Daggers Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Any half-arsed politician who can fiddle his expenses ought to be able to recount the almost endless list of fuuck-ups members of the BNP have had...and should be able to counter the comment that no political party is whiter than white (*ahem* ) when it comes to its members. The list of thugs, thuggish and illegal actions, details of hatred and abject mismanagement while holding local office grows annually - this is the story to put over on the night.
Guest Bilo Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Anybody know the rest of the panel ? Bonnie Greer, Jack Straw, Peter Hain are three of them. No idea who's appearing for the Tories and Lib Dems.
Corky Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Anybody know the rest of the panel ? Not totally sure but John Sergeant is on next week
Head Honcho Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 if not so many people were voting for him and his party , it would be highly unlikely that there would even be a consideration of inviting him onto a mainstream current affairs discussion programme . it only shows that something is very rotten in the state There's no doubt in my mind that if they were to be allowed on Question time their popularity would increase a little but it would only be a little, nothing more and by the time of the next election I doubt their share of the vote would increase anyway. I don't know what people are afraid of tbh they stand no hope of winning a seat and thrive on the attention they get from all this debating. Having said that they did get more votes at the last election then Shami Chakrabarti yet she been on question time more times than David Dimbleby!
Ford Super Sunday Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Sayeeda Warsi (Con), Jack Straw (Lab), Chris Huhne (LD), Bonnie Greer and Nick Griffin (NSDAP). Panel for Thursday
Head Honcho Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Sayeeda Warsi (Con), Jack Straw (Lab), Chris Huhne (LD), Bonnie Greer and Nick Griffin (NSDAP).Panel for Thursday Her and Nick griffin should get on like a house on fire! I can see her getting her knickers in a twist with some of the loaded questions they are so obviously to ask.
Fosse Boy Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 Sayeeda Warsi (Con), Jack Straw (Lab), Chris Huhne (LD), Bonnie Greer and Nick Griffin (NSDAP).Panel for Thursday Oooooo, good satire. Sur-nap.
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 19 October 2009 Posted 19 October 2009 I have a concern that the BNP will end up gaining more support through this - I think they can only gain in the sense that the people who already vote for them are surely not going to be swayed by political arguement? It doesn't help when both the main parties appear to agree with the BNP, as does most of the nation in terms of immergration and aslyum seakers (but not to the same degree or severity). I am also worried that the public that provide the questions and some on the panel will lose their cool when questioning and debating Mr Griffin, much as a lot of the interviews I saw on the BBC when they won seats in the recent local elections - the presents went in far to agressive and let their emotions take them into territary where the guys were prepared for and just twisted the argument to make them look better. Replace the guy with Will Young beeb = you know it makes sense!
Guest Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 I don't know why people are so worried about an increase in support. Your potential stereotypical BNP supporter isn't the type of person to watch Question Time. They'll be too busy wanking over some shite on Bravo to be bothered with that malarkey.
Gené and Tonic Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 At the risk of repeating other people in this thread (I've not read it) I just thought I'd add my views on this. Right for Nick Griffin to appear on Question Time? Yes. They are a legitimately elected political party and need to be held accountable to the electorate. Some may pick up on the word 'legitimate' but the fact is that certain sections of the electorate have voted for them in such numbers that they now have two MEPs. It's a bit odd that people are claiming the BNP illegal now, when they have been in existance for far longer than just the past year, and it smacks of fear and desperation. The thing is, it's completely the wrong thing to portray, Damien Green hit the nail on the head at the last Question Time, and any of you that have seen Nick Griffin's interviews with Paxman will know: we need to confront them in a straight debate rather than push them away and give them fuel for their claims that they are being 'oppressed'. This just attracts the electorate towards them: already annoyed with the government and MPs, they will be more likely to vote for the 'underdog' or the 'oppressed' just to send a message, without really considering what the BNP represents. Nick Griffin is a clever man, he knows how to deal with the media and has become very adept at it, pitting him against his peers from across the political spectrum will be a real test of his mettel, and although it will regrettably provide the BNP with a national platform with which to be recognised, it is an essential feature of our democracy that politicians be held to account - he himself is an MEP afterall. Lets face it though, faced with the right questions for over an hour, he cannot keep re-hashing the claims he usually makes in interviews, if he does, one would hope the electorate would see him and his party for who they really are within a matter of minutes.
BoneDog Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 I'm not very satisfied with the rest of the panel on this show. A man like Straw who has no credibility in my eyes is just as bad as Griffin (albeit in a more discreet way). It would of been nice to see someone with real morals take on Griffin.
Frenzied Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 I doubt it is unlawful but it is certainly unethical of the BBC to give a platform to neo-Nazis (no matter how they try to dress themselves up). It seems to me that the BBC is playing the ratings game, rather than taking into account the fact that in a civilized country individuals and organisations have to earn the right to voice their opinions. Violence, xenophobia and Holocaust denial should bar the BNP from the BBC and earn them no rights. If they want a platform, they should create their own. Speaking of the BNP it seems that Leicestershire is neo-Nazi central: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oc...p-list-analysis
Dr The Singh Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 I doubt it is unlawful but it is certainly unethical of the BBC to give a platform to neo-Nazis (no matter how they try to dress themselves up). It seems to me that the BBC is playing the ratings game, rather than taking into account the fact that in a civilized country individuals and organisations have to earn the right to voice their opinions. Violence, xenophobia and Holocaust denial should bar the BNP from the BBC and earn them no rights. If they want a platform, they should create their own.Speaking of the BNP it seems that Leicestershire is neo-Nazi central: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oc...p-list-analysis The link didn't work, buddy!! Sorry it does now!!!
Dr The Singh Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 Could someone please tape the event for me as i'm watching something else on Bravo!!! Thanks in advance!!!
Sparky Posted 20 October 2009 Posted 20 October 2009 Could someone please tape the event for me as i'm watching something else on Bravo!!! Thanks in advance!!! Dr the Singh is a big fan Laid bare !!
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