Griffins appearance on Question time in doubt

[Thracian]

I think our government or lawmakers or whoever have already legitimized the BNP by allowing their party to run in elections and sit on councils. Apparantly they already have over 100 council seats from what I can gather from Stormfront. Found this response to them winning 100 seats for the first time on that forum, it's the first time I've looked at that place :

" This is great news!

I guess that Paki, Negroes and Indians are a bit worried now... :mrgreen: "

God help us

Can't Muslims run in elections and sit on councils and don't they have elements who demonstrate for England to be subjected to Sharia law?

I really don't understand a) What Peter Hain is so afraid of and, b) How he can voice his opinion and in any way defend the principle of free speech.

Griffin should be allowed to express his views and have the country - not Peter Hain or other members of the most anti-white English government I've ever known - be the judge of him.

I suspect I'd have little sympathy for Griffin but then I have none at all for Labour politicians or the despicable way they've handled being in power.

Yet they go on television often enough trying to rally support.

[Budweiser]

Do not even get me started on the sharia law

If they really want the law, why dont they go to their own country and have it?

C**ts.

[Fosse Boy]

Do not even get me started on the sharia law

If they really want the law, why dont they go to their own country and have it?

C**ts.

And which country would that be then?

[Zingari]

At the risk of repeating other people in this thread (I've not read it) I just thought I'd add my views on this.

Right for Nick Griffin to appear on Question Time? Yes. They are a legitimately elected political party and need to be held accountable to the electorate. Some may pick up on the word 'legitimate' but the fact is that certain sections of the electorate have voted for them in such numbers that they now have two MEPs.

It's a bit odd that people are claiming the BNP illegal now, when they have been in existance for far longer than just the past year, and it smacks of fear and desperation. The thing is, it's completely the wrong thing to portray, Damien Green hit the nail on the head at the last Question Time, and any of you that have seen Nick Griffin's interviews with Paxman will know: we need to confront them in a straight debate rather than push them away and give them fuel for their claims that they are being 'oppressed'. This just attracts the electorate towards them: already annoyed with the government and MPs, they will be more likely to vote for the 'underdog' or the 'oppressed' just to send a message, without really considering what the BNP represents.

Nick Griffin is a clever man, he knows how to deal with the media and has become very adept at it, pitting him against his peers from across the political spectrum will be a real test of his mettel, and although it will regrettably provide the BNP with a national platform with which to be recognised, it is an essential feature of our democracy that politicians be held to account - he himself is an MEP afterall. Lets face it though, faced with the right questions for over an hour, he cannot keep re-hashing the claims he usually makes in interviews, if he does, one would hope the electorate would see him and his party for who they really are within a matter of minutes.

i completely agree ; the old saying of " give them enough rope ..........." comes to mind

[Thracian]

And which country would that be then?

None. Whether right or wrong supporters of Islam don't recognise any administration which does not act in the interests of Islam.

You can give them whatever passport you like and call them sons of that country or of the country of their ancestors but it makes no difference. Muslims are required to further the doctrine of Islam wherever they are.

I really think non-Muslims on here should actually read about Islam and the requirements of its followers. It is not a flexible faith even though there are obviously Muslims who are more devout than others.

But it is a very malleable faith where its own interests are concerned and where it needs to fight to establish ascendency over non-Believers who are really beneath contempt to them - or should be - whatever their nationality.

[Daggers]

Sometimes I wonder if there is anyone else in this country apart from whites (presumably Anglo-Saxon/Christian, being persecuted by the rabidly anti-white government) and Muslims.

Certainly seems that way according to the more repetitive of posters on the forum.

[BoneDog]

Muslims are required to further the doctrine of Islam wherever they are.

The Muslim religion says that if you live in a non-Muslim country then you have to abide by the laws of that country. It says so in the Koran.

[BoneDog]

Can't Muslims run in elections and sit on councils and don't they have elements who demonstrate for England to be subjected to Sharia law?

I really don't understand a) What Peter Hain is so afraid of and, b) How he can voice his opinion and in any way defend the principle of free speech.

Griffin should be allowed to express his views and have the country - not Peter Hain or other members of the most anti-white English government I've ever known - be the judge of him.

I suspect I'd have little sympathy for Griffin but then I have none at all for Labour politicians or the despicable way they've handled being in power.

Yet they go on television often enough trying to rally support.

I was agreeing that the BNP should be allowed to go on Question Time just as any other political party can.

[Guest]

Can't Muslims run in elections and sit on councils and don't they have elements who demonstrate for England to be subjected to Sharia law?

Here we go again......

[Budweiser]

The Muslim religion says that if you live in a non-Muslim country then you have to abide by the laws of that country. It says so in the Koran.

Doesn't stop 'um though clearly

[Fosse Boy]

Doesn't stop 'um though clearly

Do you actually know any Muslims?

[Corky]

It will be interesting to see how Griffin behaves and what he says.

As Lisa stated, I can't see many of the staunch BNP supporters tuning in (I'm not sure they'll even know he's on the show), so I don't believe he'll gain much extra support from the appearance.

[FilboFox]

It will be interesting to see how Griffin behaves and what he says.

As Lisa stated, I can't see many of the staunch BNP supporters tuning in (I'm not sure they'll even know he's on the show), so I don't believe he'll gain much extra support from the appearance.

Well if the staunch supporters are the ones that aren't tuning in, he'll only GAIN from doing this. If the viewers are all non BNP members, then I'm sure that some will be convinced by him and start supporting the BNP... he may not gain much extra support as I'm sure the people who watch Question Time aren't easily fooled, but to think that he'll not gain extra support because his existing supporters aren't watching doesn't make much sense.

[Corky]

Well if the staunch supporters are the ones that aren't tuning in, he'll only GAIN from doing this. If the viewers are all non BNP members, then I'm sure that some will be convinced by him and start supporting the BNP... he may not gain much extra support as I'm sure the people who watch Question Time aren't easily fooled, but to think that he'll not gain extra support because his existing supporters aren't watching doesn't make much sense.

I think that a lot of Question Time watchers are very anti-BNP, but we'll have to wait and see.

[FilboFox]

I think that a lot of Question Time watchers are very anti-BNP, but we'll have to wait and see.

Well that may be, but your statement was that you thought that because the BNP supporters weren't watching, he'd not get any more support from doing the show... well I'm just saying that he's more likely to get supporters if the non-supporters are watching... surely already staunch BNP supporters aren't going to be making much of a difference towards getting new support...

[lavrentis]

I think that a lot of Question Time watchers are very anti-BNP, but we'll have to wait and see.

Aye and tbh this might sound odd but I hope the crowd don't boo all the way through, or the other panelists don't turn it into a who is most anti BNP competition but let him have his say and make himself look like a complete arsehole by the verbal diarrhoea that will come out his mouth.

[FilboFox]

Aye and tbh this might sound odd but I hope the crowd don't boo all the way through, or the other panelists don't turn it into a who is most anti BNP competition but let him have his say and make himself look like a complete arsehole by the verbal diarrhoea that will come out his mouth.

I agree with this. It will be interesting to see what he can possibly say to try to convince people that anything about the BNP is worth voting for...

[maddog]

I'm really looking forward to question time this week.

Never thought i would say that

But Griffin could make a much bigger fool of himself as me on this forum.

[MPH]

I'm really looking forward to question time this week.

Never thought i would say that

But Griffin could make a much bigger fool of himself as me on this forum.

easy, tiger!

Seriously though... i think he will play the ' we are totally misunderstood' card and ' we are just wanting to stand up for British values crap.

As the BBC and editors of that program check and select the questions that the audience ask i think they will quite possible steer the debate away from the most controversial of subjects and thus give the BNP an air of normality

[Ford Super Sunday]

The BBC is to include BNP supporters in the audience for Thursday's controversial edition of Question Time when the party's leader, Nick Griffin, will become the first far-right politician to appear on the programme.

Hundreds of party members are understood to have applied to watch the edition when it is filmed at BBC Television Centre in west London. A source said a number would be vetted and allowed to take part.

The disclosure is likely to inflame the heated debate about the corporation's decision to invite Griffin on to the BBC1 current affairs programme – a move anti-fascist campaigners say will confer legitimacy on the party.

It also creates the potential for clashes in the studio between BNP members and anti-racism groups who have also urged supporters to try to join the audience.

From Media Guardian

The problem is, and I stress, if anything does kick off in the audience, nothing will be shown, it will simply be edited out of the show, because it is pre-recorded, which will be a shame, it would do good to see BNP members fighting, what a fantastic party that would show them as.

Oh and by the way, on a side note, Question Time is coming to Leicester on November 19th. Apply to join the audience online now at www.bbc.co.uk/questiontime

[Dr The Singh]

The Muslim religion says that if you live in a non-Muslim country then you have to abide by the laws of that country. It says so in the Koran.

Which sura, El???

As fa as I know, muslim are allowed to abide by the law of a non muslim country as long as it's does not conflict with 'islam'a\Sharia?????

[Dr The Singh]

From Media Guardian

The problem is, and I stress, if anything does kick off in the audience, nothing will be shown, it will simply be edited out of the show, because it is pre-recorded, which will be a shame, it would do good to see BNP members fighting, what a fantastic party that would show them as.

Oh and by the way, on a side note, Question Time is coming to Leicester on November 19th. Apply to join the audience online now at www.bbc.co.uk/questiontime

I'm busy, watching bravo!!!

[BoneDog]

This programme should be live every week. I want to see exactly how MP's react to all manner of questions, not an edited version. They could make it 20 minutes longer to cover any pauses or little arguements.

This week is a must for a live show. It will get heated and we will have to miss whatever happens!

[Guest]

Well if the staunch supporters are the ones that aren't tuning in, he'll only GAIN from doing this. If the viewers are all non BNP members, then I'm sure that some will be convinced by him and start supporting the BNP... he may not gain much extra support as I'm sure the people who watch Question Time aren't easily fooled, but to think that he'll not gain extra support because his existing supporters aren't watching doesn't make much sense.

I think that you are missing the point that I was trying to make, and with which Corky agrees.

[BoneDog]

Which sura, El???

As fa as I know, muslim are allowed to abide by the law of a non muslim country as long as it's does not conflict with 'islam'a\Sharia?????

I can't remember the Sura, it is a while since I read the Koran. I do remember reading a few verses that said a Muslim in another country must obey that lands laws. I found the below quote online and it seems to say what you said about having to obey the laws of a country unless they force you to do something against your religion. I don't think that British law enforces anything against religion just yet.

"Muslims are generally obliged to abide by the laws of the land and the country they live in, whether it is an Islamic state, Muslim country, or non-Muslim country such as those in the west, as long as they are not ordered to practice something that is against Shariah. If they are forced by the law to commit a sin, then in such a case, it will not just be unnecessary to abide by the law, rather impermissible.

Some are under the impression that it is permissible to violate the laws of countries that are not an Islamic state, which is totally incorrect. Muslims must adhere to the laws of any country they live in, whether in the west or the east, as long as the law is not in contradiction with one’s religion."