All Religions' Posts

[LCFC-ARAB]

How can people 'buy' the religion thing when they're not even learning about it? They're not given the opportunity to even form a basic understanding of the religion and therefore make their own decision. Unless born into an already religious family, very few will make the decision for themselves.

because its not a sales pitch

children at school should be taught the truth

and the truth is that the world wasn't created by a bloke sitting on a cloud

they shouldnt have the choice between learning science or religion

[Asha]

Yep.

With the ever-increasing advancements in technology it won't be long before all religions are extinguished.

Wrong.

The foundation of religion is belief. And even if scientists claim to have proof against the existence of God, it would make no difference to me. I'd still believe that there was a God outside/above anything scientists claim to have explored.

[AjcW]

Yep.

With the ever-increasing advancements in technology it won't be long before all religions are extinguished.

Big ass NASA Fire Extinguisher ????

[LCFC-ARAB]

Wrong.

The foundation of religion is belief. And even if scientists claim to have proof against the existence of God, it would make no difference to me. I'd still believe that there was a God outside/above anything scientists claim to have explored.

lets just say you were sitting a GCSE science exam and you just happened to get the question 'how was the universe created?'

you would say by god?

and not the big bang?

even though you know you wouldnt get the question right?

[Asha]

because its not a sales pictch

children at school should be taught the truth

and the truth is that the world wasn't created by a bloke sitting on a cloud

they shouldnt have the choice between learning science or religion

I'm not saying a choice between learning them, why can't they learn both?

[LCFC-ARAB]

I'm not saying a choice between learning them, why can't they learn both?

because we stop learning about fairy tales after year 2

[Asha]

lets just say you were sitting a GCSE science exam and you just happened to get the question 'how was the universe created?'

you would say by god?

and not the big bang?

even though you know you wouldnt get the question right?

If I got a question such as that, I'd answer with what I believed to be the answer.

So what if I lose 2 marks, I'm not going to abandon my beliefs for a science gcse paper

[AjcW]

Is it not a "Conflict of interests"

I mean kin hell I struggled to learn law and politics together because theres so many crossovers.

[StanSP]

lets just say you were sitting a GCSE science exam and you just happened to get the question 'how was the universe created?'

you would say by god?

and not the big bang?

even though you know you wouldnt get the question right?

All about the phraseology of the question. It's how I failed my mock A-level (to an extent)

Created by God.

But origin of universe is Big Bang Theory.

There's even some theories where God actually was the cause of the Big Bang theory. Similarity being God saying 'and then there was light' being the split second where the Big Bang occurred.

But because it's nearly 1.30am and I'm too tired to debate excessively, I'm just gonna say that there can be similarities drawn and differences construed about anything read in the bible or any holy book and any scientific theory.

[AjcW]

Okay.... Quick scenario for everyone reading this thread at the moment.

Your a librarian, do you put the bible in fiction or non fiction??

[Fosse Boy]

Is it not a "Conflict of interests"

I mean kin hell I struggled to learn law and politics together because theres so many crossovers.

Fusion of Powers and all that jazz.

That's a little repressed AS Level Politics knowledge coming back to haunt me there...

[lavrentis]

Okay.... Quick scenario for everyone reading this thread at the moment.

Your a librarian, do you put the bible in fiction or no fiction??

Religious ?

[Edmund]

Wrong.

The foundation of religion is belief. And even if scientists claim to have proof against the existence of God, it would make no difference to me. I'd still believe that there was a God outside/above anything scientists claim to have explored.

But it's an out dated belief. We all once believed that the world was flat. It's no coincidence that all these magical sightings and reenactments all of a sudden have stopped as civilisation has improved in terms of technology.

Fairplay to you and your beliefs, but I still say religion is not a bad thing at all because what it does do is create a false entity which can have positive effects on people so if it helps you then all the merrier.

Not to forget the fear of death. This has been mans greatest question since we ever walked the earth and I think religion helps people find comfort who don't want to accept that when we die everything is null and void.

Just my opinion.

[Asha]

Religious ?

Depends what non-fiction is being classed as.

I've always known non-fiction to be something that is presented as fact, and that the author believes to be fact. So I guess you could say the bible could be in the non-fiction section.

[LCFC-ARAB]

All about the phraseology of the question. It's how I failed my mock A-level (to an extent)

Created by God.

But origin of universe is Big Bang Theory.

There's even some theories where God actually was the cause of the Big Bang theory. Similarity being God saying 'and then there was light' being the split second where the Big Bang occurred.

But because it's nearly 1.30am and I'm too tired to debate excessively, I'm just gonna say that there can be similarities drawn and differences construed about anything read in the bible or any holy book and any scientific theory.

Theories is such a broad word

i could just say right now that the universe came out of my arse and that would be my theory

science has proved god doesnt exist

and i don't understand how any religious person can just ignore that completly, it baffles me and i will never understand it

and i'm sure there are religious people out there who feel the exact same about someone like me

[Edmund]

I'm not saying a choice between learning them, why can't they learn both?

Because science and religion don't go hand in hand. They both conflict (No matter what El Empty says)

[Asha]

Not to forget the fear of death. This has been mans greatest question since we ever walked the earth and I think religion helps people find comfort who cannot accept that when we die everything is null and void.

Just my opinion.

Yes, it does. Religion has really helped me in this respect.

I'm not sure whether you'd class this as an extreme fear or a phobia, but whenever faced with a certain thought regarding death, a situation where death could be the imminent outcome, or just generally faced with any situation related to death or dying...I can go into a severe state of panic attack and have to instantly fight myself into a mental state of reassurance. I have done several times.

And considering death, unlike the subject of most phobias, is inevitable, the severe fear or phobia of it is screwing me up pretty badly.

[AjcW]

Yes, it does. Religion has really helped me in this respect.

I'm not sure whether you'd class this as an extreme fear or a phobia, but whenever faced with a certain thought regarding death, a situation where death could be the imminent outcome, or just generally faced with any situation related to death or dying...I can go into a severe state of panic attack and have to instantly fight myself into a mental state of reassurance. I have done several times.

And considering death, unlike the subject of most phobias, is inevitable, the severe fear or phobia of it is screwing me up pretty badly.

I dont think anyone in the world can profess to not be scared of death.

You clearly have a genuine phobia of death though, maybe this is why you find religion so easy to accept .

Alot of people I know who have turned to religion have done it out of comfort, were you in a similar situation??

Btw shame certain other posters arent here to see some of your more mature thoughts nsll, seems you and me very rarely get to string paragraphs together with constantly being dragged into 1 line arguments.

[Asha]

I dont think anyone in the world can profess to not be scared of death.

You clearly have a genuine phobia of death though, maybe this is why you find religion so easy to accept .

Alot of people I know who have turned to religion have done it out of comfort, were you in a similar situation??

Btw shame certain other posters arent here to see some of your more mature thoughts nsll, seems you and me very rarely get to string paragraphs together with constantly being dragged into 1 line arguments.

That's a question I knew would come after posting that, and rightly so. But fear of death isn't the only reason I'm a Christian. For a start, I was brought up to be. My father is a priest at the local church, and I find the religion really relevant to my life. Already being a believer, I find the promise of eternal life in heaven a massive comfort that really helps me to deal with the fear, but it isn't the only reason I believe.

And yes, I'm often labelled as an immature emo or whatever, but hey, I couldn't care less what those certain posters think about me.

[Edmund]

You have to remember NSLL we're all in the same boat and one day we'll all be gone. So enjoy it to the max whilst we're here and if religion helps you along the way then it's all good. No point in focusing on death when it's going to happen so might as well let nature take cause and make the most of your life.

I think people would be lying if they have never questioned or thought about extensively what happens after we are here. But the simple fact is no one knows. Nothing wrong with having fear in death and I hope you realise that and put it aside.

[Asha]

You have to remember NSLL we're all in the same boat and one day we'll all be gone. So enjoy it to the max whilst we're here and if religion helps you along the way then it's all good. No point in focusing on death when it's going to happen so might as well let nature take cause and make the most of your life.

I think people would be lying if they have never questioned or thought about extensively what happens after we are here. But the simple fact is no one knows. Nothing wrong with having fear in death and I hope you realise that and put it aside.

I do my best to just not think about it.

[AjcW]

That's a question I knew would come after posting that, and rightly so. But fear of death isn't the only reason I'm a Christian. For a start, I was brought up to be. My father is a priest at the local church, and I find the religion really relevant to my life. Already being a believer, I find the promise of eternal life in heaven a massive comfort that really helps me to deal with the fear, but it isn't the only reason I believe.

And yes, I'm often labelled as an immature emo or whatever, but hey, I couldn't care less what those certain posters think about me.

I didnt think it would be your only reason. Id twigged there might be a family influence.

You seem pretty down to earth on the old facey book anyway.

I think its good that everyone has different beliefs, I mean how boring would the world be if we all conformed. For a start this thread wouldnt exist .

[StanSP]

That's a question I knew would come after posting that, and rightly so. But fear of death isn't the only reason I'm a Christian. For a start, I was brought up to be. My father is a priest at the local church, and I find the religion really relevant to my life. Already being a believer, I find the promise of eternal life in heaven a massive comfort that really helps me to deal with the fear, but it isn't the only reason I believe.

And yes, I'm often labelled as an immature emo or whatever, but hey, I couldn't care less what those certain posters think about me.

Okay at the risk of inadvertently unsettling you here, as it's the least I'd want to do, but if you feel there is eternal life in heaven as you described it earlier, why do you fear death?

If you were to die, you'd be going to the heaven you suggested existed above, so by fearing death, you're prolonging your version of the inevitable?

[Asha]

I didnt think it would be your only reason. Id twigged there might be a family influence.

You seem pretty down to earth on the old facey book anyway.

I think its good that everyone has different beliefs, I mean how boring would the world be if we all conformed. For a start this thread wouldnt exist .

Yeah, I'd say I'm relatively down to earth. I don't normally come out with the religious stuff anyway, as I understand a lot of people either aren't interested or are annoyed by it. Only intended to respond to AFIE's initial comment, and ended up in a full scale debate. Brilliant stuff.

Okay at the risk of inadvertently unsettling you here, as it's the least I'd want to do, but if you feel there is eternal life in heaven as you described it earlier, why do you fear death?

If you were to die, you'd be going to the heaven you suggested existed above, so by fearing death, you're prolonging your version of the inevitable?

It's a good question, and I'll be honest, it's something even I don't fully understand. I think in nearly ever religious person, somewhere deep in their mind or heart or whatever, there's a really, really, tiny, slight doubt. Christians are almost encouraged to explore that doubt, try and find their own viewpoint on things and probably find they've overcome that doubt.

For me, personally, I'll be honest and say that a really small tiny part of me may have a slight doubt. It's that small part which leads me to a fear of death. When I say small though, I'm talking very small.

Maybe having a severe fear of death is a test of faith from God. Just as I'd believe a family death, or receiving abuse for believing could be a test, my fears might be God testing my faith, testing how strong a believer I really am.

As I say, I'm not entirely sure why despite strongly believing in heaven, I somehow fear death. I guess one of the big questions I hope to discover during my life.

[AjcW]

I'm going to be honest and say I'm not religious, but this week has been shocking and at times I have found myself talking, to someone, I suppose you could call it praying, I don't know why I do it because in my head I know no ones listening but for some reason at the time it just feels right.

I don't go to church and I don't consider myself religious but weirdly when times get tough or

I just need to ofload something, I'll ""pray"".

I don't understand it myself but there's something in me that make

me do it and at the time there's something in me that truely believes someones listening.

Although I'll look back and think what the hell was I doing!