Asha Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 I'm going to be honest and say I'm not religious, but this week has been shocking and at times I have found myself talking, to someone, I suppose you could call it praying, I don't know why I do it because in my head I know no ones listening but for some reason at the time it just feels right.I don't go to church and I don't consider myself religious but weirdly when times get tough or I just need to ofload something, I'll ""pray"". I don't understand it myself but there's something in me that make me do it and at the time there's something in me that truely believes someones listening. Although I'll look back and think what the hell was I doing! In times of need, I'm sure many people seek comfort from a God they believe doesn't exist. I've never really been a non-believer, so it's something I've not experienced, but it is a situation that brings a lot of people to God, as they seek comfort and realise later their prayers have been answered. I know you don't believe, but maybe keep "praying". I know it sounds a little stupid, and you may feel stupid for doing so, but hey, your prayers might be answered And by the way, Katy Perry? Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! YES!.
StanSP Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 In times of need, I'm sure many people seek comfort from a God they believe doesn't exist.I've never really been a non-believer, so it's something I've not experienced, but it is a situation that brings a lot of people to God, as they seek comfort and realise later their prayers have been answered. I know you don't believe, but maybe keep "praying". I know it sounds a little stupid, and you may feel stupid for doing so, but hey, your prayers might be answered And by the way, Katy Perry? Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! YES!. True. It's probably one of the first things they consider and usually in more cases you'll find that they go on to become hardcore religious believes. Kierkeegaard called it the 'leap of faith' I think where the non-believer makes that 'leap' to becoming a believer just through one event/incident/revelation.
Asha Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 True. It's probably one of the first things they consider and usually in more cases you'll find that they go on to become hardcore religious believes. Kierkeegaard called it the 'leap of faith' I think where the non-believer makes that 'leap' to becoming a believer just through one event/incident/revelation. Yeah, the word I use is epiphany - that one moment of sudden realisation. Know a couple of people personally who've experienced that.
StanSP Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 Yeah, the word I use is epiphany - that one moment of sudden realisation. Know a couple of people personally who've experienced that. Yeah I've heard stories from my family who have known someone to gothrough epiphanies too. Although sometimes it seems a little far-fetched and a bit over the top, I'd never go so far as to rejecting it totally. Firstly it's a bit disrespectful, and secondly, everyone believes in different things so you can't just refuse and reject their beliefs without at least considering that there may be elements of truth in it. I sometimes just put myself in their position and empathise - how would I like it if someone rejected my beliefs/events that I publicised?
BoneDog Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 People don't buy the whole man with a beard sitting in the clouds. We are taught science which puts every religion straight out the window. How can you teach people that we all came from adam and eve and then the next day learn in science that it's a load of tosh.It's one big contradiction. No religion teaches that God is a man with a beard in the clouds! They teach that 'God' is an unknown Power or Universal Force that no human being can fathom. And there is no science that puts religion out of the window. Infact, the more science discovers about dna the more convinced alot of the scientists who are working on this become convinced that we must have been Created. The Human Genome Project has many top level scientists that are convinced that the structure of dna is too complex for any other explanation. Science also has no evidence at all to suggest that humans didn't spread from one source. There are theories, but no evidence. Although evolution does get taught as 'fact' I think in some schools.
BoneDog Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 The foundation of religion is belief. And even if scientists claim to have proof against the existence of God, it would make no difference to me. I'd still believe that there was a God outside/above anything scientists claim to have explored. Don't worry NSLL, scientists will never find proof against the existence of God. It's impossible. There may be a few more fake fossils of species in between stages 'found' like the countless others that have been proved fake. There will never be a real fossil found of any species in between stages of evolving into another species, because there aren't any. We would of found millions already if this evolving malrkey have ever happened. The funny thing is, that people say that science proves the non-existance of God, but the majority of top scientists over the years are in these 'secret' clubs that we all know the names of. And to become a member of the most famous of these secret clubs you have to make an oath on your entry. And one of the things you have to swear when joining is that you believe in God, who they call 'The Great Architect of the Universe'. So, most of the top scientists all around the world (at places like NASA for example) believe in God. Alot of them who are in these clubs might not talk about it in public, but all believe in 'The Great Architect'.
BoneDog Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 lets just say you were sitting a GCSE science exam and you just happened to get the question 'how was the universe created?'you would say by god? and not the big bang? I would say both. God caused the Big Bang, which was a massive mathematical and chemical reaction. And out of this bang everything was formed in perfect order. It has been written about in Holy Books before they were corrupted. The Holy Books have been proven correct when they explain Creation. Obviosly, not what most people read though cos most believe the simplistic words that have been added to books over the years. Yes, there was a big bang, this is beyond doubt. And it only goes to confirm a Creator to me and a few billion others because what came out of this massive explosion is far too perfect to be chance. Also impossible when you study the odds. And it was also explained over a thousand years ago before any science could even fathom a big bang.
BoneDog Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 because we stop learning about fairy tales after year 2 If you believe in evolution then you believe in the biggest fairytale ever told.
BoneDog Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 Fairplay to you and your beliefs, but I still say religion is not a bad thing at all because what it does do is create a false entity which can have positive effects on people so if it helps you then all the merrier.Not to forget the fear of death. This has been mans greatest question since we ever walked the earth and I think religion helps people find comfort who don't want to accept that when we die everything is null and void. Just my opinion. Most people in the world don't believe in God because they need something to help them through or for comfort or reasons like that. The religious people I know are the most head-strong folk I've ever met. Also I don't think that the fear of death comes into it. It would be much less scary if we knew there was absolutely nothing when we died. It would be a relief for many.
BoneDog Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 science has proved god doesnt exist Are you havin a pop on a crack pipe? I don't know which scientists you listen to, but I think they are lying to you
BoneDog Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 Because science and religion don't go hand in hand. They both conflict (No matter what El Empty says) It's not me who says it. It's scientists! Science and religion are one and the same. Not my words, the words of one of the highest level scientists around who works on probably the most complex scientific subject.
BoneDog Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 I'm going to be honest and say I'm not religious, but this week has been shocking and at times I have found myself talking, to someone, I suppose you could call it praying, I don't know why I do it because in my head I know no ones listening but for some reason at the time it just feels right.I don't go to church and I don't consider myself religious but weirdly when times get tough or I just need to ofload something, I'll ""pray"". I don't understand it myself but there's something in me that make me do it and at the time there's something in me that truely believes someones listening. Although I'll look back and think what the hell was I doing! Because your subconscious knows that there is a God
Babylon Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 At least four times in the last year. Out of four. Weddings, funerals, christenings, christmas and easter don't count.
Part Of The Crowd Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 How the hell did we get on to life after death
StanSP Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 Sorry to go back to the God/Science/Religion thing, but if God created the Big Bang, who created/caused God?
Part Of The Crowd Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 Sorry to go back to the God/Science/Religion thing, but if God created the Big Bang, who created/caused God? I did.
Babylon Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 If you believe in evolution then you believe in the biggest fairytale ever told. Yeah... it's so much bigger than some bloke coming back to life, being the son of god born to a virgin mum.
samlcfc Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 Yeah... it's so much bigger than some bloke coming back to life, being the son of god born to a virgin mum. haha, i was working with a bloke during the sumer that believes the world is like 5000 years old or something like that. He thinks dinosaur fossils and such were put there by god
Budweiser Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 Yeah... it's so much bigger than some bloke coming back to life, being the son of god born to a virgin mum. ! So true. Your response to that is El Empty? Religion, in my opinion is absolute nonsense.
StanSP Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 !So true. Your response to that is El Empty? Religion, in my opinion is absolute nonsense. Care to elaborate why? Some 'religious theories' actually coincide with 'scientific theories'. I think the God of the Gaps theory is an example. But I'm not sure. Memory's a bit sketchy on that one and I really can't be bothered to search for a good source.
Asha Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 He wrote so much in the early hours, too much to respond to bit by bit, but El Empty made some brilliant points.
Budweiser Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 Care to elaborate why?Some 'religious theories' actually coincide with 'scientific theories'. I think the God of the Gaps theory is an example. But I'm not sure. Memory's a bit sketchy on that one and I really can't be bothered to search for a good source. I suppose I will elaborate, slightly. I see religion as a scapegoat for people who cannot handle death. "If your a good boy you go to heaven and if your naughty you go to hell" is more of a trick on children really. I don't see how you could believe that God created the world and heaven and hell etc. I honestly do not get why people believe in religion, so if someone could tell me why they do I would appreciate it and try and see.
Babylon Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 HBaroness Warsi. She was one of the few who impressed me. Sound, common sense points and I disagree she pandered to the audience. Certainly the strongest panellist last night, and can come away proud of her showing. One hopes she has a prominent place in the new Tory government if and when it comes next year. It felt like she as reciting from a book most of the time to me, it never really felt like those were her actual thoughts. The audience was like a toned down Jerry Springer crowd. Whooping whenever someone called Griffin a name, pathetic really. Some tramp turned up at the back and one point and said something, looked like he'd just awoken from a park bench.... that was my highlight., well that and Edgar Davids in drag.
BoneDog Posted 23 October 2009 Posted 23 October 2009 How the hell did we get on to life after death Not sure. I'm pretty sure I didn't start it although I contributed a bit too much I've just realised.
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