shen Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 There is always going to be a debate as to whether Andy King is any good due to a) the way our football team plays football and b) because he doesn't run round like a fookin neanderthal which our fans seems to love.A bit like Matty Fryatt, our team actually hardly ever plays to King's strengths, which is to give him the ball and allow him to keep things moving with a selection of passes. I always used to think he'd too often take the easy route of playing square and backward balls instead of putting a foot on it and trying to open teams up like Mark Davies seemed to do with ease. But I look at it differently now, what King does is rarely EVER give the ball away. He passes to team mates, time after time, he has a footballing brain that when under pressure he still finds a team mate and when he is given the ball enough, he is capable of some defence splitting passes. But as with a lot of promising football we see at Leicester, we don't see it enough, only glimpses in matches due to our tendancy to whiff the ball up to Howard at every opportunity and by-pass our midfield. This also cuts Fryatt out of the game for large patches of play too. King is often there to win second headers though and any goober who thinks he's poor in the air is absolute lunacy. He's one of the best central midfielders i've seen in the air at Leicester for years, and I actually think there's a lot of room for improvement in that area too. He lacks pace and his game isn't built on high octane chasing and harrying, but he does what he needs to in that department and defensively he's sound. No-one can question his attacking presence, he's scored a number of goals for us and that's without him being particularly attack focused. He's a massive asset and a player we should be looking to build our team and style around, likewise Fryatt. It infuriates me to watch us continue to aimlessly leather balls in the hope Howard will win it or the opponents will make a mistake and you'll see Pearson on the touchline when we're absolute muck like the first half against Ipswich and he's having a quick giggle with himself. It's weird. But it's kind of working for now. If King continues to improve at the rate he has done in the last two years then we have a player who could cope at Premiership level, but that's still someway to go. That's exactly the impression I got the last couple of times I've watched us on a stream. I found it frustrating that he would play it out to our back four every time he got possession back, only for them to lump it forward or out. Judging by other's accounts of how we play, it seems that we'd been changing our style with Waghorn in the side. I remember the game against QPR where, although we did play quite direct football, it wasn't aimless lumps forward like against Ipswich. With King, Wellens and Oakley it seems rather mysterious that we don't consistently play the ball on the deck though...
El Furio Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 no, but people would probably take your posts more seriously if you actually based your opinion on facts...you're hypothesis about our form dipping under king is gash..... 1st game of the season king started and we won, he didn't start the next 6 games, which were 2-3-1 (although king came on in 5 games, funnily enough, the only time he didn't feature we lost the game) he started the next game which was a draw was dropped for the next game which we lost we then went on an unbeatedn run of 6 games (4-2-0) - king started all six the next game, a loss to WBA, was the first game in 13 king was involved in that we lost. king has been ever present since then with the team recording 3 wins, 2 draws and the forest and bristol games.... hardly a downturn in results, the first two loses of the season king didn't even play, and our record when king has started is 8-5-3, and the only games where he hasn't played we lost... so, i'd hardly say that implies being overrated or not good enough, clearly he must have some influence on the team.... On the opening day of the season King was substituted at half time when we were 1-0 down.
Lillehamring Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 On the opening day of the season King was substituted at half time when we were 1-0 down. yes, we also won after he was brought on in a different game, swings and rounabouts, meanwhile the rest of the post kinda invalidates your attempt to make him seem a waste of space.
Anish Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 I've been one of King's critics and I stand by my position after today's game (which I just witnessed before anyone has a dig). King and the rest of the midfield was just overrun today and King was invisible again. Yes, he'll pop up with the occasional good headed clearance and is very disciplined in his position, but when one of our defenders or midfielders is stuck in a cul-de-sac with no options, King is nowhere to be seen. His support play is poor and he is never available when the defenders look up to pass the ball, which is why they end up just hoofing it to Howard. I would love to see King screaming at his colleagues and demanding the ball from them, but he just doesn't do it. He's still young and inexperienced and that may come with time but at the moment I don't think he he's as good as people make out. Oh, and the reason why he doesn't give the ball away much is because (a) he hardly ever gets the ball and (b) when he does he simply plays it sideways or backwards. I watched his performance with particular interest today and in the first half I'd be surprised if he touched the ball more than 5 times. He and the rest of the midfielders were completely overran and were hopeless in possession and as a result we hardly struck two passes together.
Thracian Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 I've been one of King's critics and I stand by my position after today's game (which I just witnessed before anyone has a dig). King and the rest of the midfield was just overrun today and King was invisible again. Yes, he'll pop up with the occasional good headed clearance and is very disciplined in his position, but when one of our defenders or midfielders is stuck in a cul-de-sac with no options, King is nowhere to be seen. His support play is poor and he is never available when the defenders look up to pass the ball, which is why they end up just hoofing it to Howard. I would love to see King screaming at his colleagues and demanding the ball from them, but he just doesn't do it. He's still young and inexperienced and that may come with time but at the moment I don't think he he's as good as people make out. Oh, and the reason why he doesn't give the ball away much is because (a) he hardly ever gets the ball and (b) when he does he simply plays it sideways or backwards. I watched his performance with particular interest today and in the first half I'd be surprised if he touched the ball more than 5 times. He and the rest of the midfielders were completely overran and were hopeless in possession and as a result we hardly struck two passes together. I got the impression the Radio Leicester commentators were at the game too and that they viewed King as one of out better players in the first half and certainly as involved in helping create one of our two best chances for N'Guessan in the second. Now I don't know who to believe.
THE MAGICIAN Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 I got the impression the Radio Leicester commentators were at the game too and that they viewed King as one of out better players in the first half and certainly as involved in helping create one of our two best chances for N'Guessan in the second. Now I don't know who to believe. I believe Anish, he seems to know his stuff.
midfield Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 did not see the game but when king and wellens play in the centre of midfield we seem to play better take no notice of the radio they dont want to upset the city clique and as for bill anderson he does not want to give bad reviws in the merc for fear of upsetting the players how many times have you read the ratings and disagreed not by a little but by a lot random rant over i guess
Thracian Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 I believe Anish, he seems to know his stuff. You dating him or something?
CosbehFox Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 He did average. Had to do a lot of track back to keep Allen quiet.
marbelladave Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 He did average. Had to do a lot of track back to keep Allen quiet. Swansea played a five man midfield, for those of you who were not at the game this left King and Oakley outnumbered every time. They did the only thing they could and retreated so that most of the Swans passing game was in front of them, reasonably effective defensively but hopeless from an attacking point of view!
Lillehamring Posted 16 January 2010 Posted 16 January 2010 Swansea played a five man midfield, for those of you who were not at the game this left King and Oakley outnumbered every time.They did the only thing they could and retreated so that most of the Swans passing game was in front of them, reasonably effective defensively but hopeless from an attacking point of view! ah, well, that makes things a bit clearer
marbelladave Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 ah, well, that makes things a bit clearer Swansea always play that way! We always get overrun when we play 2 in center midfield. Getting clearer?
Dan Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 I'm actually stunned at people calling him our best midfielder.
CosbehFox Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 ah, well, that makes things a bit clearer We did as well really. Yann played behind Fryatt with the responsibility of chasing down Swansea's deep lying midfielder.
C-man Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 I'm actually stunned at people calling him our best midfielder. Well on current form, he is. Doesn't take a lot though. Besides, who's better than him?
marbelladave Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 We did as well really. Yann played behind Fryatt with the responsibility of chasing down Swansea's deep lying midfielder. Exactly. We played a sort of 4-4-1-1, which has a kind of logic to it. Yanni was deployed to drop off Fryatt and help out midfield defensively and link up play going forward. For this to have any chance of working we needed to keep possession and play a passing game, something completely alien to us this season. Swansea flooded midfield and dominated play for the best part of an hour, Oakley and King played ok but were outnumbered every time. As I said elsewhere they dropped deep and did a decent job defensively but with little help from the flanks there was little to offer going forward. Had Swansea had a real cutting edge we could have been in real trouble. At the present time neither NP nor the team seem comfortable playing anything other than the direct long ball game, based around Howard. If we are going to be realistic promotion candidates this has to change!
Dan Posted 17 January 2010 Posted 17 January 2010 Well on current form, he is. Doesn't take a lot though. Besides, who's better than him? Current ability, Wellens is a different class. King's got years ahead of him though. I would of said Oakley too but lately he's just been shocking.
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