Fosse Boys - Leicester City Ultras

[Ilkeston_Fox]

I wasn't aware that the Walkers held 34,500

I was referring to the 2,500 that went to Cardiff as apposed to the 30 or so thousand that were at the Walkers

[Poakey]

You could

probably have fitted

all

of that

in 1 paragraph

[Guest Bilo]

As much as I understand some of the misgivings from those who do not buy into our mentality, I'd like to point out that we have done all we can to ensure we don't interfere with other fans on match days.

Our decision to base ourselves in the SK1/G1 part of the stadium is part of this. If you look on an ordinary game, you'll see that this area is among the emptiest in the ground, due in part to its having the worst views. Therefore, by basing ourselves there, we will be able to support the club in the way we choose while annoying as few fans as possible. We could have chosen areas of the ground with better views or behind the goal in the traditional Ultra fashion, but we chose not to so as not to impact negatively upon other fans.

Another reason for choosing this area of the ground is our commitment to anti-violence. We have no wish to antagonise visiting fans and have no wish to stand with those who do, and as such have decided to stand in the area furthest away from the visiting fans. I understand, though I was never part of it, that this was part of the reason a similar scheme in N Block failed when Coventry fans threw coins at the singing section. We wish to minimise the chances of such confrontations in the future as our aim is purely to support Leicester City, we are not part of the 'who are ya' crowd.

We have no wish to be elitist, exclusive or form a clique either. Liam, Dave, Sam etc are all some of the friendliest people you could wish to meet and aim to share the experience of this with as many as possible. We're certainly not about to exclude anyone along tenuous grounds such as race, sexuality or political beliefs. Our only requirements are that fans who stand with us should contribute their voices by singing, share our overall commitments to inclusiveness to all fans and have no wish to commit acts of violence or antagonism. That's it. We're not about to become a political Ultra group that makes anyone who isn't a socialist feel like an outcast and we have fairly basic, common sense requirements. While many of us have made flags, it's not a requirement to be with us. In fact, some members have made extra flags to distribute among those who haven't been able to make their own.

Finally, we don't see ourselves as superior to other fans. Anyone who buys a season ticket, goes home and away every week and chooses to give up their weekends spending a fortune is a passionate fan, whether they stand and sing or sit quietly and observe. We just happen to fit into the former category. A lot of this has already been said but I feel there are some misunderstandings that need to be cleared up.

Hope this post helps.

[Poakey]

Maybe one day you may create a post longer them 5 words,never mind a paragraph!

Don't let these people get you down Arab, all your doing is creating some noise at the end of the day, don't see any harm in what your doing(other then the shhhhh ing) so what's wrong with these people? Just trying to twist every word you post. They should get on with there own interest's and let you get on with yours. Anyone trys anything different they just get shot down,good luck with the group.

[Stand UP...]

Your group will end up no where with someone like you as the organiser, I can promise you that much.

Finners has said on many occasions, your ignorance and inability to listen to any constructive criticism isn't going to help you.

You need to stop thinking you're all high and mighty and better than the 'bovril drinkers' or 'happy clap brigade' and most importantly you need to realise that all the other supporters in the stadium have just as much of a right to enjoy their 'matchday experience' in their own way and if that is sat down watching the match for 90 minutes then so be it.

Its people like you which will attempt all they can to make this fail with your constant criticism and nit picking at everything you read. if you dont like what the fosse boys are doing which clearly you do not then dont get involved, it is as simple as that. With your attitude i very much dought you sit in the kop anyway and if you do your more then likely one of the do gooders that tells people to sit down. With all the critisicm we are getting for trying to bring some atmosphere and enjoyment on match days is quite unbelieveable. I wouldnt be suprised if you were the one that advised radio leicester about flares etc.

And we may react strongly at times, i know i have but when you get constant criticism and nit picking thrown at you its hard to ignore but thats my problem.

And it is not a group of 13 year olds either. I was with them from the pub to the ground and in the ground. It was a mixed age group but mainly 20/25 year olds, im 30 and i was speaking to someone who was about 40. There are a few younger ones but i actually find it refreshing that kids that young want to be involved in something like this. I confirm they also are not all drunks and a bunch of idiots, it was good banter, great singing and a pleasure to have been with them.

[Tilley]

you sit in the kop anyway and if you do your more then likely one of the do gooders that tells people to sit down.

Brilliant, that's exactly what I do.

I wouldnt be suprised if you were the one that advised radio leicester about flares etc

:laugh:

[Father Ted]

Your group will end up no where with someone like you as the organiser, I can promise you that much.

Finners has said on many occasions, your ignorance and inability to listen to any constructive criticism isn't going to help you.

You need to stop thinking you're all high and mighty and better than the 'bovril drinkers' or 'happy clap brigade' and most importantly you need to realise that all the other supporters in the stadium have just as much of a right to enjoy their 'matchday experience' in their own way and if that is sat down watching the match for 90 minutes then so be it.

I will be honest here.

When LCFC-Arab first started posting on this board I thought he was a right tit but having seen everything that he has done, his beliefs and attitude my views have since changed.

He is a top bloke. To call him ignorant really is hilarious.

How would you expect him to listen to 'constructive criticism' when weak minded people like yourself and Finners, sitting with your political correctness hats on are slagging him off?

It is not that he is thinking he is high and mighty, it is that he is a strong minded person who has pushed through with his idea and tried his best to get this group going, unlike some who would have just fallen at the first hurdle and given up.

I take my hat off for LCFC-arab and his efforts, long may it continue.

[Tilley]

mongy load of drivel.

There is a fine line between being strong minded and ignorant. He believes strongly in what he is doing, that's great, everyone has a passion and this is his.

I am not repeating myself because you aren't worth my time, read my reply to SamL.

[leftsideoverhere]

But who's to know? Much of your attitude has been along the lines of 'we'll annoy the club until they give in', 'fans who don't like it can fook off', blah, blah. (And, yes, I know those weren't your exact words but I really can't be arsed to trawl through the thread to quote directly).

Over the short time I've been reading this forum, I've read lots of people making disparaging comments about certain sections of our fanbase as being "******", "flask and blanket brigade" and so on. Many of these comments have come from people who are nothing to do with the Fosse Boys, and I'm pretty certain that some such comments have even on occasion been uttered by some of those who are now taking to lecturing the Fosse Boys in a rather supercilious fashion about how they need to be more inclusive and less elitist.

Possibly it's helpful to remember the difference between the internet and real life. Like Andy I met Arab, Si, Fosse Boy and the others for the first time yesterday. I found them welcoming, friendly, positive and above all determined to do this "the right way": engaging with the club and other supporters, being accommodating to stewards and to fellow fans, and above all recognising the need for the Fosse Boys to be a long term project which adds to everyone's enjoyment of games, not a selfish flash in the pan.

Likewise in regards to the club. "Annoy them until they give in" is, to me, a light-hearted, among-friends way of saying that the Fosse Boys aren't going to give up and go away, and that if the club say no to things in their first meeting or their first email, the FB will keep trying, using other routes to press home their arguments (such as seeking out positive publicity on RL and the Merc, involving the FSF and the positive lessons from other clubs' ultra groups, all of which have been demonstrated and discussed in this thread for people willing to notice such things), and isn't supposed to be taken literally as "we will behave in an annoying way because we're children and we think that this is how we get our own way". If anything, this discussion suggests that the FB organisers shouldn't have assumed they were "among friends" in this discussion and should have taken more time to spell out what they were doing, but life is short, and I don't blame them for hoping that people would take certain things for granted (such as the fact they're not complete idiots and don't hate all their fellow Leicester fans).

Constructive criticism... well, being brutally honest I would suggest that whilst I acknowledge and applaud the work you put in to getting the group up and running, you're really doing the group no favours with putting yourself forward as spokesman - you come across as confrontational, uncooperative and arrogant. Accept what your own skills and strengths are and recognise that are others who can represent the group with far more eloquence and finesse, particularly when dealing with the club, media, other fans, etc. Many have tried to offer advice in this thread and have, imo, hinted at this but it seems to be falling on deaf ears, unfortunately.

I don't recognise Arab at all in your description of him as confrontational, uncooperative or arrogant. In his longer posts in this thread he has patiently spelled out, several times, the nature of the Fosse Boys group, their aims and intentions, and the methods of organising and PR they intend to use. He's been baited for 80 pages or so about this or that detail, flares, hooliganism, violence, the name of the group, the relationship with the club, their attitude to other fans and all the rest and only occasionally has he (or one of the other FB organisers) slipped into off-the-cuff responses - which have immediately been seized on by detractors to demonstrate how they were right all along, and the Fosse Boys really are arrogant, or confrontational or whatever.

Apart from anything else, I don't think Arab has "put himself forward as spokesman". I understand he wasn't actually at the meeting with the club, and I can't think of anywhere in this thread where he's done anything other than answer questions or give his opinion.

I think I understand what Arab means when he says it would be 'good' if people were annoyed by the Fosse Boys' singing. Partly because if there is enough singing in the top corner of SK1 that it annoys anyone else in the stadium then it would have to mean that the FB group had grown bigger than it was on Saturday, and partly because if it's the singing that annoys other fans then that means there isn't anything else for them to be complaining about (i.e. all they've got left to object to is the singing) and frankly if people go to a football match and then complain because some fans are singing then that's avery sad state of affairs indeed, and one in which it isn't the singers who are in the wrong. If you still think that this is an arrogant attitude, compare it to someone who attends opera and says "people shouldn't sing along". Is that arrogant? Or is it just 'reasonable comment' in the context of attending opera concerts? I'd say it's fair enough comment - people attend opera expecting the audience to be quiet so that everyone can hear the professional singers. But at a football match people attending should expect the crowd to make some noise, and if they object to that then they are not being reasonable, they are actually trying to impose their idea of sports watching on the other 30,000 people in the stadium. Is it arrogant to say, "sod that, I'll sing if I want to?" Again I'd say yes if you're an opera buff, but not if you're a football fan.

[Sparky]

Cant be arsed to trawl through so apolgies if its been said but what block have they saved for you. Im close to committing.

[AndyBrew]

leftside, that post has perfectly explained it all

[LCFC-ARAB]

Cant be arsed to trawl through so apolgies if its been said but what block have they saved for you. Im close to committing.

The very back corner of SK1

one of us is ringing the boss of the ticket office tomorow to talk about it

so it will give people 2 weeks to get a ticket in the section

you can move your season ticket to a differnet part of the ground for seperate games aswel

incase people were worried about having to move their ticket and then losing their original seat

EDIT: and we are going to think of a way where we know eveyrone who is going to want to move to the section

it will probably be done on our forum

so we dont get people moving in who dont know what we are about or any of our new songs etc...

[Father Ted]

There is a fine line between being strong minded and ignorant. He believes strongly in what he is doing, that's great, everyone has a passion and this is his.

I am not repeating myself because you aren't worth my time, read my reply to SamL.

Give me some examples of where he has been ignorant? He has answered pretty much everything that has been thrown at him and in a civilised manner.

He is showing passion, which is exactly what is needed in the 'soulless bowl'. (Here comes 'you think your high and mighty above everybody else' ) Well, I'm sorry that I'm not pleasing you but if you enjoy the atmosphere at the Emirates it may well be a blessing in disguise that you haven't renewed your season ticket because it's people like you that will only make us more determined to become a success.

I know what you and your 'buddy' Samilktray are like. You have never offered anything constructive on this forum except for being patronising and sarcastic to other posters.

[Cant_Fox_You]

I for one understand what the Fosse Boys are trying to do. Im not a member of their group or nor do i intend to be but in truth the atomsphere can be pretty dire at times and if it adds a bit of good atmosphere i welcome it. Having said that i understand some of the other members views, i wouldnt want a sizeable group of people singing and chanting right in my earhole for 90+ minutes either, so i'd sit in another section insteadc with sparodic chanting so i can enjoy the matches.

[Poakey]

Brilliant, that's exactly what I do.

:laugh:

You have the reaction you were looking for now fook off!

[Tilley]

Give me some examples of where he has been ignorant? He has answered pretty much everything that has been thrown at him and in a civilised manner.

He is showing passion, which is exactly what is needed in the 'soulless bowl'. (Here comes 'you think your high and mighty above everybody else' ) Well, I'm sorry that I'm not pleasing you but if you enjoy the atmosphere at the Emirates it may well be a blessing in disguise that you haven't renewed your season ticket because it's people like you that will only make us more determined to become a success.

I know what you and your 'buddy' Samilktray are like. You have never offered anything constructive on this forum except for being patronising and sarcastic to other posters.

Your levels of intelligence are quite worrying, by calling Arab ignorant, I do not mean that he hasn't answered questions or communicated with people. I was referring to the ignorance and maybe selfishness of the way he aims to achieve the atmosphere etc,

I can't even be arsed to go through it again. Go through the last few pages, re-read it twice, maybe three times until you have a basic understanding of the point I was trying to make.

Oh the Arsenal joke, so original.

[leftsideoverhere]

The very back corner of SK1

one of us is ringing the boss of the ticket office tomorow to talk about it

so it will give people 2 weeks to get a ticket in the section

you can move your season ticket to a differnet part of the ground for seperate games aswel

incase people were worried about having to move their ticket and then losing their original seat

For those of us who have season tickets, I wonder whether we should be specifically requesting a change of seat from the club rather than just coming in through our normal turnstiles and walking across to you, as has been suggested earlier in this thread. It will presumably help the club see what support the initiative has if lots (i.e. a few dozen, I'm not expecting miracles) of people are requesting a change of seat for these games, and it will also help ensure there isn't a problem with other people being sold those seats and then objecting that we're occupying them. So, is that now the plan?

[AndyBrew]

ok everybody just ignore him (Tilley), he is obviously enjoying himself so ignore him and he'll go play elsewhere, simples

[LCFC-ARAB]

For those of us who have season tickets, I wonder whether we should be specifically requesting a change of seat from the club rather than just coming in through our normal turnstiles and walking across to you, as has been suggested earlier in this thread. It will presumably help the club see what support the initiative has if lots (i.e. a few dozen, I'm not expecting miracles) of people are requesting a change of seat for these games, and it will also help ensure there isn't a problem with other people being sold those seats and then objecting that we're occupying them. So, is that now the plan?

yeah that's the new plan

we want to know actual numbers

so people who want to get involved will have to move their season ticket with the ticket office for the first few games

like i said, not move their season ticket permantly, just for the first few games

[Father Ted]

Your levels of intelligence are quite worrying, by calling Arab ignorant, I do not mean that he hasn't answered questions or communicated with people. I was referring to the ignorance and maybe selfishness of the way he aims to achieve the atmosphere etc,

I can't even be arsed to go through it again. Go through the last few pages, re-read it twice, maybe three times until you have a basic understanding of the point I was trying to make.

Oh the Arsenal joke, so original.

ig·no·rant (gnr-nt)

adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.

2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.

3. Unaware or uninformed.

Ok then:

1) Does he lack education or knowledge in terms of the ultra mentality etc.? NO

2) Showing a lack of education or knowledge? NO

3) Unaware or uninformed - the part that I was referring to regarding ignoring questions etc. - NO

You now do the maths

Oh, and telling me to re-read the last few pages exactly the type of patronising comments that I was on about.

[Tilley]

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I do not need a dictionary definition of ignorant you prat.

Yes, I am patronising, what is your point? You act like I care what you think.

[AndyBrew]

I do not need a dictionary definition of ignorant you prat.

Yes, I am patronising, what is your point? You act like I care what you think.

temper temper

[Tilley]

ok everybody just ignore him (Tilley), he is obviously enjoying himself so ignore him and he'll go play elsewhere, simples

temper temper

[john_lcfc]

I was referring to the 2,500 that went to Cardiff as apposed to the 30 or so thousand that were at the Walkers

The 2,500 who went to cardiff were a good "type" of fan. I went and it was a lot of regular faces from L1/back of the kop and some older guys from Pen 1 etc who'd come out for it. The vast majority there were male, aged 18-45 and wanted to stand and get behind the boys. It was the type of supporter United, Leeds, Millwall, etc have week in week out. Unfortunately our away support is infested often with women and old ******. For big games Forest etc tickets do get into good hands and we can produce a good away crowd. But this is because the games are about much more than football.

If you take a random fan from a United away crowd (top support), they will probably be male, between 18-45, out on the beer and not wearing club colours. Take one from Reading (terrible support) and they will probably be male, wearing a replica shirt and on a family orientated day out. Our fans are somewhere in the middle with the potential for some games to be like United and some like Reading.

If this group increases the vocal presence and gives another positive diversity and channel or supporter then this will be a good thing.

[Father Ted]

I do not need a dictionary definition of ignorant you prat.

Yes, I am patronising, what is your point? You act like I care what you think.

Well as you were failing to tell me how you thought LCFC-Arab was ignorant I thought I would clear it up, just for you babes

What is my point? Hmmm... I see a contradiction there. You're allowed to call people arrogant and selfish but I can't call you patronising?