Fosse Boys - Leicester City Ultras

[AndyBrew]

You and your group are not superior to anyone which is what you have some sort of problem understanding.

You are the one with a problem understanding from what I've read on here, and there's only one person attempting to take the moral high ground, you are the one attempting to make the fosse boys seem elitist by referring to it as "your group" quite frankly it's making you look a little daft!

I've never met Liam and his group before Saturday, on arriving at the pub he introduced himself and made me my wife and my son very welcome, they even took my tickets back to the ticket office and swapped them for tickets in the right area of the ground. they let my son hold the banner on the way down to the ground and he has felt proper pleased with himself since and can't wait for the next Leicester game after this experience!

As I have had first hand experience of Liams approach to people I find your unfounded name calling quite offensive and rude!

[AoWW]

Please show me a post where i have come across like i feel superior to other supports

and that comment about annoying them into accepting us was actually about getting the club to let us have flag poles

we'd send them an email everyday till they let us

like tim robbins did in shawshank redemption

Yep that'll persuade them..

[SamL]

i thought it was all a bit embarrassing yesterday lads

As it was our first game together as a group, we were bound to get things wrong. Any constructive criticism would be welcomed so that we can attempt to improve matters for our next outing.

[LCFC-ARAB]

i thought it was all a bit embarrassing yesterday lads

I'm not going to shoot you down

you are entitled to your opinion

if what we did yesterday wasn't your thing then that's fine!

we have plenty of people who didnt think it was embarrasing and really enjoyed them selfs

If anybody finds non stop singing embarrassing then please don't join our group!

Yep that'll persuade them..

It was a joke.

[Tilley]

Swings and roundabouts mate. Why shouldn't the group sing for 90 minutes non-stop? This is how we achieve our enjoyment while watching Leicester City play. Different sets of people tend to support their team in different ways, as you have previously suggested, but why should we ruin our enjoyment by staying silent in order to please other fans when actually they want us to stay silent to boost their enjoyment levels?

As a group, we recognize that different people achieve the enjoyment of supporting their team in a variety of ways; some choose to sing for 90 minutes, whereas some do not wish to sing at all. We aim to encourage as many people as possible to sing with us and to support us, rather than be against us. We have no hatred for other fans choosing to enjoy their match day experience in a different way to ourselves.

If you want to sit in silence, that is your right as a football supporter. However, we also have the right to sing non-stop for 90 minutes. If others do not want to be shown animosity towards for staying silent then don't show any towards us for wanting to create an atmosphere.

As a newly founded group, it is our aim to reach out to Leicester City supporters in order to gain their support in helping us to become successful. We do not expect to have a god-given right to force people to move from their seats or to sing songs they don't want to sing, we only want to encourage them to demonstrate different ways of supporting their team. We aim to be allocated a section within the Kop with minimal disruption to other fans.

As I have said Sam, what you're trying to achieve is understandable, you pay to enter the stadium and you want to jump around and sing for 90 minutes, that is completely fair enough, I used to do it myself.

This is a common sense approach and you seem to be understanding the situation from both sides and respecting the supports that both do and don't wish to achieve what you're trying to achieve.

I wish you all the best, if everyone adopted your patient, common sense approach, I have no doubt you'd be very successful in time.

[Bugg]

Why should singing upset anybody though? If you don't want to join in with us, it doesn't bother us. It is our right to support our team vocally, as it is your right to support your team in other ways. Why should we sit in silence in order to please other fans, when they could open their mouths in order to please us? It's swings and roundabouts.

As a group, we recognize that we're neither inferior or superior to other fans, we're just opting to support our team in a different way. We recognize that different groups of people choose to support their team in other ways, if we want to sing non-stop for 90 minutes then other groups of people should recognize that this is our right. If you do not want to join in, it doesn't bother us so why should it bother you if we're showing non-stop vocal support?

That wasn't the point I was trying to make, it was the fact the LCFC ARAB had contradicted himself by saying that he doesn't want to upset any of the other fans, but says in an earlier post that if he upsets any of the other fans in the ground it would be good.

Before you think that I am against your group, I'm not. I was interested in joining the group earlier but I couldn't due to the fact I go to football with my dad. I'm just saying that by saying that you don't mind upsetting other people who pay the same amount as you to enjoy the game in their way just annoyed me a little.

[AndyBrew]

Yep that'll persuade them..

Master of the one liner (I'm not being arsey I genuinely chuckle at your comments)

[Samilktray]

SamL should be the leader of this club.

[LCFC-ARAB]

Ok SamL is officially incharge now!!!

[Tilley]

Please show me a post where i have come across like i feel superior to other supports

I would but it would take me forever. This isn't me backing down and admitting I am wrong, I just haven't got the energy to trawl through 80+ pages and it isn't just in this thread. I will do it when I can be arsed.

You should adopt a similar approach to the likes of SamL aswell as others, you'd gain alot more support and respect from other supporters whether they want to join in or not.

you are the one attempting to make the fosse boys seem elitist by referring to it as "your group" quite frankly it's making you look a little daft!

I've never met Liam and his group

[AndyBrew]

So you ignore my complete post, and pick on four words for your response, brilliant absolutely brilliant!

[SamL]

As I have said Sam, what you're trying to achieve is understandable, you pay to enter the stadium and you want to jump around and sing for 90 minutes, that is completely fair enough, I used to do it myself.

This is a common sense approach and you seem to be understanding the situation from both sides and respecting the supports that both do and don't wish to achieve what you're trying to achieve.

I wish you all the best, if everyone adopted your patient, common sense approach, I have no doubt you'd be very successful in time.

Much appreciated mate. I have seen first hand that you're exactly the type of fan we're looking to incorporate into the group, the energetic && vocal type. However, I do understand your pessimism over the group due to the failed attempts that have occurred in the past.

You've said previously that one of the main reasons you didn't renew your season ticket was down to the lack of atmosphere within the ground and I can assure you that you're not the only person with this view. Given the right advice and support from both the club and our fellow fans, I believe that the Fosse Boys group can be successful in turning around the atmosphere at the Walkers and in doing so, I hope that it will encourage people like yourself to reverse your decision to stay away.

As I said previously we're a newly formed group, we're bound to make mistakes. I just hope that people can keep an open mind and bare with us while we attempt to iron out the mistakes.

[AoWW]

It was a joke.

But who's to know? Much of your attitude has been along the lines of 'we'll annoy the club until they give in', 'fans who don't like it can fook off', blah, blah. (And, yes, I know those weren't your exact words but I really can't be arsed to trawl through the thread to quote directly).

Constructive criticism... well, being brutally honest I would suggest that whilst I acknowledge and applaud the work you put in to getting the group up and running, you're really doing the group no favours with putting yourself forward as spokesman - you come across as confrontational, uncooperative and arrogant. Accept what your own skills and strengths are and recognise that are others who can represent the group with far more eloquence and finesse, particularly when dealing with the club, media, other fans, etc. Many have tried to offer advice in this thread and have, imo, hinted at this but it seems to be falling on deaf ears, unfortunately.

[SamL]

That wasn't the point I was trying to make, it was the fact the LCFC ARAB had contradicted himself by saying that he doesn't want to upset any of the other fans, but says in an earlier post that if he upsets any of the other fans in the ground it would be good.

Before you think that I am against your group, I'm not. I was interested in joining the group earlier but I couldn't due to the fact I go to football with my dad. I'm just saying that by saying that you don't mind upsetting other people who pay the same amount as you to enjoy the game in their way just annoyed me a little.

I think that the level of support we received yesterday shows that there is no reason as to why both you and your Dad cannot become part of this group, providing you get involved and show the right sort of mentality.

As a group, we do not wish for every single Leicester City support to join us, only a select few. By saying this, I do not wish to make out that I am in fact superior to other fans, but we want supporters to get involved who do wish to sing for 90 minutes and have good fun, while respecting the wishes of those who don't.

[Lillehamring]

You are the one with a problem understanding from what I've read on here, and there's only one person attempting to take the moral high ground, you are the one attempting to make the fosse boys seem elitist by referring to it as "your group" quite frankly it's making you look a little daft!

I've never met Liam and his group before Saturday, on arriving at the pub he introduced himself and made me my wife and my son very welcome, they even took my tickets back to the ticket office and swapped them for tickets in the right area of the ground. they let my son hold the banner on the way down to the ground and he has felt proper pleased with himself since and can't wait for the next Leicester game after this experience!

As I have had first hand experience of Liams approach to people I find your unfounded name calling quite offensive and rude!

MiniFosse

[LCFC-ARAB]

But who's to know? Much of your attitude has been along the lines of 'we'll annoy the club until they give in', 'fans who don't like it can fook off', blah, blah. (And, yes, I know those weren't your exact words but I really can't be arsed to trawl through the thread to quote directly).

Constructive criticism... well, being brutally honest I would suggest that whilst I acknowledge and applaud the work you put in to getting the group up and running, you're really doing the group no favours with putting yourself forward as spokesman - you come across as confrontational, uncooperative and arrogant. Accept what your own skills and strengths are and recognise that are others who can represent the group with far more eloquence and finesse, particularly when dealing with the club, media, other fans, etc. Many have tried to offer advice in this thread and have, imo, hinted at this but it seems to be falling on deaf ears, unfortunately.

Anything i say to disagree with what you said will just prove your point!

so i am just going to say what i said in very early in the thread

we are who we are

i am not going to sugar coat what we do to attract the types of fans that we dont want

i tell it like it is about this group

sorry that i dont come across like a politician and am polictically correct or what ever

i am just a passionate fan who wants to be surrounded by other passionate fans

i am not expecting all 23,000 regular fans at the walkers to fall in love with the fosse boys

my main aim is to attract the right fans to our group

and to keep them happy and coming back

this group will annoy people

and to them i say sorry

i will annoy people aswell

and to them i dont say sorry

i am so desperate for this to work that i am going for it full steam ahead

and probbaly will come across arogant

i have want i want in sight and i will keep going till the fosse boys achieve that

another thing that i said earlier was that this group wasnt started to improve the enjoyment of a game for the 23,000 other fans in the stadium

it is to improve mine and everyone who is involved enjoyment of the game

we do respect that people want to support their team in differnet ways

but i'd be lying if i said i wouldnt love it of the entire kop stood all game, bounced and sang

just like i am sure some people in the kop would love it if everyone sat in silence

the morale of the story is that everyone wont be happy

it's simple

we know that

we want to sit in an empty corner of the ground to make sure we dont annoy to many people

and all the 'constructive' critism is being listend to (maybe not by me) but by others

i am not the leader of this group

i have just taken control of talking to people about it on foxestalk

probably because i sit at a computer for 8 hours a day at work

i am probbaly the most stubborn member of the group and thats why i have come across as arrogant on here

we have our own forum now, so hopefully i will be posting less and less on this thread

so it will slip down and all the people against us can carry on getting serious over other matters

[Edmund]

you're really doing the group no favours with putting yourself forward as spokesman - you come across as confrontational, uncooperative and arrogant.

I think that's a bit harsh and uncalled for. I think Arab is just passionate about making his dream come true, he's answered every question thrown at him fairly and intelligently.

Your criticism is far from constructive, it's just knit picking bitching for the sake of it.

The only arrogant people in this thread are yourself and Tilley for having this belief that you somehow have the answer for everything and the cheek to say that others are all wrong bar yourselves. No matter how many times Arab has answered questions, people choose to ignore him and continue bitching for arguments sake.

[Samilktray]

You could

probably have fitted

all

of that

in 1 paragraph

[Tilley]

The only arrogant people in this thread are yourself and Tilley for having this belief that you somehow have the answer for everything and the cheek to say that others are all wrong bar yourselves.

I do not have the answer to everything, far from it. Admittedly, I wouldn't know where to start if I was to form my own group, so fair play to Arab & AFIE for being able to do that.

Alot of what I have posted recently in this thread is constructive, it is the Fosse Boys choice if they wish to take any of it on board.

You could

probably have fitted

all

of that

in 1 paragraph

[jonthefox]

May have been mentioned, but it looks as though derby are being a little more helpful.

My link

[Guest ttfn]

It's amazing how quickly and frequently this thread is flipping between a sickening love-in and a petty squabble

[Ilkeston_Fox]

i thought it was all a bit embarrassing yesterday lads

I think what's embarrassing is the awful atmosphere we have at the WS. I have a mate who support's Cardiff and he said to me last season "How can 2,500 at Cardiff make more noise than 32,000 at home?"

There have been so many topics (nearly as many as the DJ topics) started regarding atmosphere at the Walkers. "Move the kop; move the away fans; have a standing and singing section" to name a few. So obviously people feel that they want to have a decent atmosphere at home games. This is only going to help surely people can see that?

I know people think we feel superior to other fans that want to sit in silence and watch the game. Not at all, you have the West Stand for that, and that was the only stand open yesterday. Believe me, if we could have gone to SK1 all on our own we would have. So to whoever it was (I forget the username...Cal??) Sorry for screaming in your ears for the first half...but there was really nothing we could do about that.

And for the people saying we were too repetative. You have to remember we were only given 4 songs to learn for this game, as too many songs too soon might not have worked. We understand the need to carry on singing traditional Leicester songs, and we will do so. Give us time, we'll add to our songs as well as singing with other sections of the ground that want to sing.

[ousefox]

May have been mentioned, but it looks as though derby are being a little more helpful.

My link

Links not working for me.

[Ozwin]

So much squabbling, how anyone can bash this group/idea is beyond me.

[Edmund]

I think what's embarrassing is the awful atmosphere we have at the WS. I have a mate who support's Cardiff and he said to me last season "How can 2,500 at Cardiff make more noise than 32,000 at home?"

I wasn't aware that the Walkers held 34,500