Fosse Boys - Leicester City Ultras

[filbertway]

Why is tiley getting so much stick? Seem's he's given his opinion fairly and stated many times that he agrees with the sentiment and the aim of the group. Just pointing out that it'd look better on the group if they show that they respect other fans rather than a "i'm not bothered who I annoy as long as what I want happens"

I hope this gains momentum as the club is crying out for a group of fans who want to sing and have a good time, the lack of atmosphere is the reason I stopped going home games and watching Coalville instead, at the end of the day, going to watch the football for me is about, meeting up with a group of like minded people, having a drink then having a sing and a bit of banter at the match. Good luck anyway, sounds like you had a solid start, and with some positive media attention you could be onto something.

[Tilley]

Well as you were failing to tell me how you thought LCFC-Arab was ignorant I thought I would clear it up, just for you babes

If you could use a brain cell, you'd realise in which way I thought Arab was being ignorant.

By IGNORING constructive criticism, the way he worded some statements sounded like he was IGNORING the views, wants and need of other fans and the club.

Is that easy enough for you to understand, babes?

What is my point? Hmmm... I see a contradiction there. You're allowed to call people arrogant and selfish but I can't call you patronising?

I didn't say you weren't allowed to call me patronising, I ain't your Mother, call me what you like.

My point was I know I can be patronising so you're just stating the obvioius?

[Guest ttfn]

The 2,500 who went to cardiff were a good "type" of fan. I went and it was a lot of regular faces from L1/back of the kop and some older guys from Pen 1 etc who'd come out for it. The vast majority there were male, aged 18-45 and wanted to stand and get behind the boys. It was the type of supporter United, Leeds, Millwall, etc have week in week out. Unfortunately our away support is infested often with women and old ******. For big games Forest etc tickets do get into good hands and we can produce a good away crowd. But this is because the games are about much more than football.

If you take a random fan from a United away crowd (top support), they will probably be male, between 18-45, out on the beer and not wearing club colours. Take one from Reading (terrible support) and they will probably be male, wearing a replica shirt and on a family orientated day out. Our fans are somewhere in the middle with the potential for some games to be like United and some like Reading.

If this group increases the vocal presence and gives another positive diversity and channel or supporter then this will be a good thing.

This is the post where somebody finally danced over the line, for me.

There is not a 'good' and 'bad' type of fan. Nobody likes people who moan the whole time or boo players (the Neilson on Sat situation was ridiculous) or are intimidating to their fellow supporters. But they are not 'bad' fans. They still turn up and suppport the club financially, if not vocally. They may not be the sorts of people you'd choose to spend time with, and they may even be bad people, but they are not bad fans.

I NEVER sing at the home games (away is a different kettle of fish), but I get behind the team, offering support with the occasional 'come on!' or whatever. The fact of the matter is, I sit surrounded by others who don't sing (West stand) so it would be embarrassing to do so, and I go with my dad so wouldn't sit anywhere else.

But the people I sit around, who never sing a word, some of whom barely show emotion at the games, are some of the most passionate and knowledgeable people about this football club I've met. In many cases these are the families that you consider not to be a 'good' type of fan. They help fund our signings and share in the emotional fabric of the club. They're just as much a part of the club as you, me, or anybody else, no matter how much you sing or shout.

And to have Millwall or Leeds as your model fans is just ridiculous.

[Father Ted]

If you could use a brain cell, you'd realise in which way I thought Arab was being ignorant.

By IGNORING constructive criticism, the way he worded some statements sounded like he was IGNORING the views, wants and need of other fans and the club.

Is that easy enough for you to understand, babes?

Unfortunately, it is the school holidays so my brain cells are feeling a bit lazy at the minute

In that way then, ALL politicians are ignorant, as is Milan Mandaric, the list is endless.

I understood that fine.

I didn't say you weren't allowed to call me patronising, I ain't your Mother, call me what you like.

My point was I know I can be patronising so you're just stating the obvioius?

Surely you're stating the obvious that you're not my mother

[LCFC-ARAB]

ANYWAY..........

here's a video of Marseille fans singing

[Tilley]

pointless reply

Most pointless thing I have ever read on here if I am being quite honest.

[Father Ted]

ANYWAY..........

here's a video of Marseille fans singing

The first time we tried that we scored!

[Ilkeston_Fox]

Most pointless thing I have ever read on here if I am being quite honest.

Try reading some of what you write then.

[LCFC-ARAB]

The first time we tried that we scored!

One of the many downsides of being an ultra

[foss1884]

I just hope that some of the needless criticism and rather nasty remarks stop now. I work with children and sometimes the people on here are too petty-minded and trivial in their squabbles that it descends into a playground farce. Regardless of what your preference or standpoint, i just hope all supporters realise that what the Fosse Boys are doing is a good and positive thing. The next few weeks are critical in mobilising and getting the club and media onside. It would help if those involved in the Fosse Boys could preserve their energy in organising what needs to be done and not defending themselves countlessly. The negative points being made are repetitive, too personal and frankly insulting. We are supposed to support the same side.

[CheshireFox]

i have a constructive comment to make

once you are set up and have the club onside, it would be great if you could also organise some stuff in conjunction with the club for the rest of the crowd to have the option of joining in with i.e. the placing of signs on seats for people to hold up at specific games (eg local derbies, cup games, play offs -fingers crossed!) to give a bit of impact etc. i think that most people in the ground would be really enthusiastic about some atmosphere improving in this way.

i realise we dont have the cash at the club to do something major such as the manchester city scarf giveaway (they handed them out to passing fans outside the ground at a couple of games- this was the scarf that mancini wore), but something on a lower budget would be great. similarly clubs have given out those inflatable 'sticks' to kids so they can bang them together and make a bit of noise. Flags are a sensitive subject i guess due to the sticks, but these have also been given out to fans by clubs in the past. the toilet roll throwing also works well i think (as with the torn up paper throwing imo) so again, going for that at kick off would look really good.

NB i am not suggesting fosse boys as a group has to do this, i'm suggesting that it would be an idea to put to the club once you are working together to improve the atmosphere.

Although you have mentioned the fact that you dont want to include everyone in the fosse boys stuff it would be good to have the occasional push to get the whole stadium doing at least something, at some games.

Also if you cannot have the flags with sticks, why not spread the flags along the hoardings as seen with the liverpool lot, i know some people do this already but it would look outstanding if they were more prolific around the stadium.

i can imagine you have thought of these things but i thought i hadnt read anything about these sorts of things being promoted across the ground, as i wont myself be taking part in the more extreme celebrations although i do usually sit in the kop so would go for it as much as possible, i do think its a shame if you dont at least give other people across the stadium a chance to take part in a small way.

also i did want to second (or third, or fourth...) the thought that more of the old/traditional leicester songs would be good and would give more people chance to join in. Again, i can see you want to do some of the european style stuff and thats great but like some people have said before (in a slightly less tactful way maybe) you really shouldnt alienate the majority, who like myself really want to improve the atmosphere, want to have the chance to take part in that, but dont necessarily have the time or (through no fault of theirs, and they shouldnt be lambasted for it) the inclination to take it to the extreme.

i do hope no one takes offence at these observations, i totally support what you are trying to do, just some suggestions which in my humble opinion would improve what already is happening.

[Corky]

I NEVER sing at the home games (away is a different kettle of fish), but I get behind the team, offering support with the occasional 'come on!' or whatever. The fact of the matter is, I sit surrounded by others who don't sing (West stand) so it would be embarrassing to do so, and I go with my dad so wouldn't sit anywhere else.

It wouldn't be embarrassing to join in with the chants though. You don't have to stand up and bellow with your arms stretched out, sing at your preferred level and if people look or disapprove then ignore them. Just because you're in the West Stand it doesn't prevent you from having the right to sing.

If you want to sing go for it

[Cant_Fox_You]

We are supposed to support the same side.

Thats what i thought to be honest. Whether you chanting for 90 minutes or with your family.

[LCFC-ARAB]

i have a constructive comment to make

once you are set up and have the club onside, it would be great if you could also organise some stuff in conjunction with the club for the rest of the crowd to have the option of joining in with i.e. the placing of signs on seats for people to hold up at specific games (eg local derbies, cup games, play offs -fingers crossed!) to give a bit of impact etc. i think that most people in the ground would be really enthusiastic about some atmosphere improving in this way.

i realise we dont have the cash at the club to do something major such as the manchester city scarf giveaway (they handed them out to passing fans outside the ground at a couple of games- this was the scarf that mancini wore), but something on a lower budget would be great. similarly clubs have given out those inflatable 'sticks' to kids so they can bang them together and make a bit of noise. Flags are a sensitive subject i guess due to the sticks, but these have also been given out to fans by clubs in the past. the toilet roll throwing also works well i think (as with the torn up paper throwing imo) so again, going for that at kick off would look really good.

NB i am not suggesting fosse boys as a group has to do this, i'm suggesting that it would be an idea to put to the club once you are working together to improve the atmosphere.

Although you have mentioned the fact that you dont want to include everyone in the fosse boys stuff it would be good to have the occasional push to get the whole stadium doing at least something, at some games.

Also if you cannot have the flags with sticks, why not spread the flags along the hoardings as seen with the liverpool lot, i know some people do this already but it would look outstanding if they were more prolific around the stadium.

i can imagine you have thought of these things but i thought i hadnt read anything about these sorts of things being promoted across the ground, as i wont myself be taking part in the more extreme celebrations although i do usually sit in the kop so would go for it as much as possible, i do think its a shame if you dont at least give other people across the stadium a chance to take part in a small way.

also i did want to second (or third, or fourth...) the thought that more of the old/traditional leicester songs would be good and would give more people chance to join in. Again, i can see you want to do some of the european style stuff and thats great but like some people have said before (in a slightly less tactful way maybe) you really shouldnt alienate the majority, who like myself really want to improve the atmosphere, want to have the chance to take part in that, but dont necessarily have the time or (through no fault of theirs, and they shouldnt be lambasted for it) the inclination to take it to the extreme.

i do hope no one takes offence at these observations, i totally support what you are trying to do, just some suggestions which in my humble opinion would improve what already is happening.

Quality post

we have thought about card displays where we put a bit of card on everybodys seat that spells something and they hold it up as the players come out

hopefully teh club will help us organise that,

obviously not do anything, maybe just let us in the ground earlier

we are deffinatly going to concentrate on more traditional songs aswell, we just wanted everyone to hear our new songs!

[foss1884]

Thats what i thought to be honest. Whether you chanting for 90 minutes or with your family.

Precisely, it is about accepting that some supporters want to sing and others do not for their own reasons which are valid. The reason why there is so much confrontation and aggravation i think at the minute is that the Fosse Boys feel (representing the more vocal fans) that they are not being catered for and this is compromising their enjoyment at games whilst other fans are being prioritised in their perceived enjoyment of matches. Hopefully with SK1 being sorted out then it will give the more vociferous supporters the opportunity to sing as there will be a sizeable contingent there. This will then add to matchday atmospheres and encourage The Kop to be louder during games. I agree with others who mention about the visual card displays. This has already been considered and is part of proposals. I think the Leicester Mercury could sponsor the card displays or even some flags. They could even encourage readers to vote for their favourite designs to include the fans more. It is an idea to put to them on the back of a story that is potentially going to be written about the group.

[LCFC-ARAB]

Today is looking likley to be the busiest day on our website aswell!!

had loads of new members wanting to join

things are looking good!

[foss1884]

Today is looking likley to be the busiest day on our website aswell!!

had loads of new members wanting to join

things are looking good!

The future's bright, the future's blue and white.

[Bakey]

Today is looking likley to be the busiest day on our website aswell!!

had loads of new members wanting to join

things are looking good!

If it would let me on, <_<

[LCFC-ARAB]

If it would let me on, <_<

i'm gunna level with you bakey

after hearing some stories yesterday we decided it would in everyones best interests if we ban you from the site

sorry

[Ilkeston_Fox]

i'm gunna level with you bakey

after hearing some stories yesterday we decided it would in everyones best interests if we ban you from the site

sorry

What did I do to get banned?? Was it because I stood up too soon?

God, give a guy a chance! Damn Fosse Boys crap!

[Bakey]

i'm gunna level with you bakey

after hearing some stories yesterday we decided it would in everyones best interests if we ban you from the site

sorry

[Lillehamring]

Why is tiley getting so much stick? Seem's he's given his opinion fairly and stated many times that he agrees with the sentiment and the aim of the group. Just pointing out that it'd look better on the group if they show that they respect other fans rather than a "i'm not bothered who I annoy as long as what I want happens"

I hope this gains momentum as the club is crying out for a group of fans who want to sing and have a good time, the lack of atmosphere is the reason I stopped going home games and watching Coalville instead, at the end of the day, going to watch the football for me is about, meeting up with a group of like minded people, having a drink then having a sing and a bit of banter at the match. Good luck anyway, sounds like you had a solid start, and with some positive media attention you could be onto something.

oddly i agree, but to be honest Tilley should know better, but for whatever reason he is not just walking away like he probably should.

[Lillehamring]

May have been mentioned, but it looks as though derby are being a little more helpful.

My link

fixed link

and people ridiculed the name 'fosse boys'..... weak, derby county, very weak.

[Fosse Boy]

When all is said and done, if people do not like what the group is doing I don't personally have a problem with that. The Ultra mentality in terms of the level of organisation (song choreography, tifos etc) that goes into a group has never really been part of the English supporter culture. I don't expect people to fully understand what we're doing if they don't get the scene, and to an extent I myself would rather yearn for the days of traditional English atmospheres. Not the faux-banter Soccer AM goad-the-away-fans-at-all-costs type rubbish we seem to put up with week in week out up and down the land each year, but real English atmospheres of yesteryear.

However, much of the Ultras scene on the continent has taken inspiration from the way fans in England used to be, so in a way the fledgling Ultras scene in this country is just bringing the whole thing full circle. We showed the world how to be passionate about football, they took the culture in their own direction, and now we're borrowing from what's evolved overseas to improve our own support again.

To disregard English wit and lyricism in our songbook would be a cardinal sin, but in my opinion there is nothing wrong at all with adding a little continental flair to the proceedings. It inspires people, it certainly seemed to inspire the lads (and lasses) who joined us yesterday.

I accept that we will get criticism of the way we go about things from some quarters, but I can forgive that because I realise that in general most English fans have little or no education on the scene, culture or mentality we're trying to instigate. However, accusations of arrogance and selfishness are totally uncalled for, suggesting that the main organisers of this group are on some kind of bizzare pseudo-European crusading power trip are just laughable. We welcomed people of all ages and backgrounds to see what we are about yesterday, many of whom had varying motives for joining the group (from teenage lads frustrated at modern football to whole families who just want to engage in something pro-active and positive to help improve the atmosphere at the soulless bowl we call home).

I am proud of what we managed to achieve yesterday (obviously there were problems, these were bound to occur) and really hope that we can continue to push on to something more stable and definitive over the course of this season.

[Fosse Boy]

ld3 also needs to be banned until he buys me a pint.