Official Statement On the OS re Fosse Boys

[Magictv]

I have not criticised the Fosse Boys. Please read back through my posts and don't just rely upon what DavieG says. My comments have been addressed as to whether it will be practicable for the Fosse Boys to achieve their aims and objectives. I support them in achieving them but am uncertain whether they will get what they want.

Don't have the energy to bother going round in circles with you and I wasn't relying on what DavieG said just pointing out that I'm not the only one who thinks that way. To me and almost every poster in this topic it's pretty clear of where your criticisms and negativity are aimed.

[Houdini Logic]

In view of the number of posts targeting me personally I thought it only fair that I post in reply. My cynical views are not dissimilar to the views of DavieG @ post #45 anotherofwalshieswomen @ post #46 and smudger63 @post #54.

As for having nothing worthwhile to say 1964FOX #171 thanked me for my advice; I’m happy with that contribution.

My views about being careful in releasing information @ post #170 are close to those of DavieG @ post #74 where he says:

“As long as they're not being silenced, and we now know they are not then I believe it's in their own interests to keep their plans/thoughts to themselves whilst negotiations are in progress.

If they can come to an acceptable arrangement then our support will have counted if they cannot come to a satisfactory solution then they can then announce the full situation so that we as fans can decide whether to support them further or whether we feel they or the club are being unreasonable.”

It is unfair to categorise me as a lone voice as Valerenga has done since filbertway @ post #157 said “To be fair I agree with what unreachable is saying...”

I don’t know whether witty comments are appropriate to this thread. I regard it as a serious thread.

I don’t want to be the subject of insults but just to make contributions to the thread when I have something to say. You may not agree with what I say but others reading the forum as members or guests may do so for all you know.

I repeat that I support the aims and objectives of the Fosse Boys.

But that's just the point - you have nothing to say! You would gain more respect if you came out and had an opinion, but instead you pick up on the slightest things people say just to try and make issues out of things which really aren't important. You seem more interested in trying to win arguments you create about nonsense than contributing to the thread - everyone can spot it a mile off and with each post you're making more of a fool of yourself.

[unreachable]

Don't have the energy to bother going round in circles with you and I wasn't relying on what DavieG said just pointing out that I'm not the only one who thinks that way. To me and almost every poster in this topic it's pretty clear of where your criticisms and negativity are aimed.

So if constructive criticism is regarded as negative then I'm guity as charged.

[AoWW]

In view of the number of posts targeting me personally I thought it only fair that I post in reply. My cynical views are not dissimilar to the views of DavieG @ post #45 anotherofwalshieswomen @ post #46 and smudger63 @post #54.

As for having nothing worthwhile to say 1964FOX #171 thanked me for my advice; I’m happy with that contribution.

My views about being careful in releasing information @ post #170 are close to those of DavieG @ post #74 where he says:

“As long as they're not being silenced, and we now know they are not then I believe it's in their own interests to keep their plans/thoughts to themselves whilst negotiations are in progress.

If they can come to an acceptable arrangement then our support will have counted if they cannot come to a satisfactory solution then they can then announce the full situation so that we as fans can decide whether to support them further or whether we feel they or the club are being unreasonable.”

It is unfair to categorise me as a lone voice as Valerenga has done since filbertway @ post #157 said “To be fair I agree with what unreachable is saying...”

I don’t know whether witty comments are appropriate to this thread. I regard it as a serious thread.

I don’t want to be the subject of insults but just to make contributions to the thread when I have something to say. You may not agree with what I say but others reading the forum as members or guests may do so for all you know.

I repeat that I support the aims and objectives of the Fosse Boys.

:crylaugh: I'm sorry but I dont' think my brief reply:

If you are, then you're not the only one

to davieG's "Perhaps I really am too cynical?" comment can possibly begin to compete with the vast amount you've 'contributed' to this thread.

And, seriously, if you feel the need to trawl threads, quoting post numbers to 'reinforce' your point of view, then you really do have too much time on your hands.

[unreachable]

:crylaugh: I'm sorry but I dont' think my brief reply:

to davieG's "Perhaps I really am too cynical?" comment can possibly begin to compete with the vast amount you've 'contributed' to this thread.

And, seriously, if you feel the need to trawl threads, quoting post numbers to 'reinforce' your point of view, then you really do have too much time on your hands.

I suppose I don't like being called a troll that's all.

[Houdini Logic]

I suppose I don't like being called a troll that's all.

There is a simple answer to that you know?

[AoWW]

I suppose I don't like being called a troll that's all.

But you seem to enjoy being one so much. You've more posts in this thread than anyone else - and that includes people who are directly involved with the Fosse Boys... you seem incapable of letting anything go.

[Houdini Logic]

But you seem to enjoy being one so much. You've more posts in this thread than anyone else - and that includes people who are directly involved with the Fosse Boys... you seem incapable of letting anything go.

**Wouldn't this be the perfect time for unreachable to prove a point and 'let go' - can't see if happening though**

[davieG]

Perhaps your bias against LCFC prevents you from forming an objective opinion. I don't have sufficient facts to be confident that LCFC is at fault. You have not been present at the Fosse Boy meetings with the club and don't know all the facts yourself.

The home game next Tuesday will be interesting and hopefully will be a positive step forward in the relationship between LCFC and the Fosse Boys.

Well you take the view to either believe what the majority have written regarding LCFCs actions or you don't maybe you're correct about my bias but I believe the general tone of the criticism and therefore have come to the conclusion that in this instance LCFC's judgement and actions have been poor at best.

I have also criticised the FBs or at least some of their statements which early on were random and misleading so I do believe I've tried to be balanced.

You may say that you don't have sufficient facts to criticise LCFC but the same could be said about the FB. If you're criticisms of the FBs is based on what you've read on here how come what you've heard on here is not sufficient to criticise LCFC.

With regards to the actions of LCFC there have been plenty of examples given by people directly involved in the Reading situation that shows LCFC in a less than acceptable manner whatever the justification if that's not been sufficient then that's tantamount to calling those posters liars. Also the fact that they have conceded several points regarding entry to the ground and the wearing of FB scarfs shows that this was an issue at the Reading game, unless of course you are suggesting that the FBs statement of the current situation is full of lies.

[davieG]

But you seem to enjoy being one so much. You've more posts in this thread than anyone else - and that includes people who are directly involved with the Fosse Boys... you seem incapable of letting anything go.

Letting go. Well that's what I'm going to do because I don't think this is helping the FBs so for that reason I'm Out.

[unreachable]

Letting go. Well that's what I'm going to do because I don't think this is helping the FBs so for that reason I'm Out.

Me too.

[Guest Mee-9]

Letting go. Well that's what I'm going to do because I don't think this is helping the FBs so for that reason I'm Out.

Theo Profiterole has spoken!

[leftsideoverhere]

Of course it's all been made worse by the pricing structure which forces those on a low income to sit in the Kop. I've always advocated restricted concessions (no juniors/under 8s and no seniors) in the Kop and unreserved seating which would allow the 90 minute standers to go to the back and the 90 minutes sitters to reside at the front and those that are in between to sit in between, of course it wouldn't be perfect but better than it is now.

DavieG - so wrong and yet so right, all in one sentence.

"restricted concessions (no juniors/under 8s and no seniors) in the Kop"? Boo. Why should families and/or youngsters who want to stand and sing have to pay full price to do so. I spent my teenage years stood in the kop at Filbo, and I wouldn't like to think the next generation have to miss out on that. Maybe not having U8s makes sense, but I wouldn't go any further than that.

"unreserved seating"? Yay. Best idea I've read on here for a long while. At a stroke you'd have the standers at the back, the sitters at the front, and everyone turning up early to guarantee being where they want to be - and that leads to them singing, chanting and interacting with the players during the pre-match warm up. The biggest single reason why we don't have chants for individual players very much any more is that half the kop don't even turn up until 1 minute before kick off, and there's no time to sing them! Back in the day, you'd work through a song for every player at least a couple of times while they were warming up.

[Guest Mee-9]

It'd be easier to rebuild Filbert Street, than The Fosse Boys agreeing with the Club on Persistant Standing

[Guest Bilo]

Would unreserved seating actually be practicable?

It seems like such a simple, common sense solution it's amazing no club does it regularly. I can only assume there are perceived H&S concerns or some cooked up laws preventing it happening knowing how football works in this country.

[1964FOX]

Would unreserved seating actually be practicable?

It seems like such a simple, common sense solution it's amazing no club does it regularly. I can only assume there are perceived H&S concerns or some cooked up laws preventing it happening knowing how football works in this country.

The answer would be security issues, don't know who is sat where, with allocated seats you have an idea. Although I have been to a few unreserved seating games over the last couple of seasons especially in league 1, oh and that nice new terrace in Yeovil, shame the nearest pub is several miles away.

[Jimmy]

DavieG - so wrong and yet so right, all in one sentence.

"restricted concessions (no juniors/under 8s and no seniors) in the Kop"? Boo. Why should families and/or youngsters who want to stand and sing have to pay full price to do so. I spent my teenage years stood in the kop at Filbo, and I wouldn't like to think the next generation have to miss out on that. Maybe not having U8s makes sense, but I wouldn't go any further than that.

"unreserved seating"? Yay. Best idea I've read on here for a long while. At a stroke you'd have the standers at the back, the sitters at the front, and everyone turning up early to guarantee being where they want to be - and that leads to them singing, chanting and interacting with the players during the pre-match warm up. The biggest single reason why we don't have chants for individual players very much any more is that half the kop don't even turn up until 1 minute before kick off, and there's no time to sing them! Back in the day, you'd work through a song for every player at least a couple of times while they were warming up.

but by saying young adult and adult only you are telling people, without having to actually say it, what to expect from a section, for years the Kop at Filbo was adult tickets only, it was only when they started to change that that the atmosphere started to dilute.

As for unreserved seating for that to be allowed the capacity HAS to be reduced, by 10% I think, which the club would never do because that lowers the profit they can make

[davieG]

DavieG - so wrong and yet so right, all in one sentence.

"restricted concessions (no juniors/under 8s and no seniors) in the Kop"? Boo. Why should families and/or youngsters who want to stand and sing have to pay full price to do so. I spent my teenage years stood in the kop at Filbo, and I wouldn't like to think the next generation have to miss out on that. Maybe not having U8s makes sense, but I wouldn't go any further than that.

"unreserved seating"? Yay. Best idea I've read on here for a long while. At a stroke you'd have the standers at the back, the sitters at the front, and everyone turning up early to guarantee being where they want to be - and that leads to them singing, chanting and interacting with the players during the pre-match warm up. The biggest single reason why we don't have chants for individual players very much any more is that half the kop don't even turn up until 1 minute before kick off, and there's no time to sing them! Back in the day, you'd work through a song for every player at least a couple of times while they were warming up.

I specifically clarified it as under 8's, teenagers especially should be allowed in. You also need to note that I'm taking an entirely practical selfless view being an adult concession myself so it would affect me directly.

[davieG]

but by saying young adult and adult only you are telling people, without having to actually say it, what to expect from a section, for years the Kop at Filbo was adult tickets only, it was only when they started to change that that the atmosphere started to dilute.

As for unreserved seating for that to be allowed the capacity HAS to be reduced, by 10% I think, which the club would never do because that lowers the profit they can make

Only on sell outs, not exactly a problem and you wouldn't lose the capacity if you were allowed to stand as people would be more inclined to shuffle along to let people in.

[Lillehamring]

Would unreserved seating actually be practicable?

It seems like such a simple, common sense solution it's amazing no club does it regularly. I can only assume there are perceived H&S concerns or some cooked up laws preventing it happening knowing how football works in this country.

it works in many other places, so no reason why it shouldn't

The answer would be security issues, don't know who is sat where, with allocated seats you have an idea. Although I have been to a few unreserved seating games over the last couple of seasons especially in league 1, oh and that nice new terrace in Yeovil, shame the nearest pub is several miles away.

maybe it is time for the club to start trusting its paying customers.

but that's why designated areas would be sensible too - if the area was season ticket only, you'd still know who was in the area...

and, besides, if you buy a single match day ticket, allocated seat or not, you could be osama bin laden or the queen, the club wouldn't specifically be able to identify you.

[1964FOX]

it works in many other places, so no reason why it shouldn't

maybe it is time for the club to start trusting its paying customers.

but that's why designated areas would be sensible too - if the area was season ticket only, you'd still know who was in the area...

and, besides, if you buy a single match day ticket, allocated seat or not, you could be osama bin laden or the queen, the club wouldn't specifically be able to identify you.

If she does turn up do you think she'll join the Fosse Boys, like to see the stewards tell her to sit down when she's half way through a 'Viva Leicester' chant.

[Lillehamring]

In view of the number of posts targeting me personally I thought it only fair that I post in reply. My cynical views are not dissimilar to the views of DavieG @ post #45 anotherofwalshieswomen @ post #46 and smudger63 @post #54.

As for having nothing worthwhile to say 1964FOX #171 thanked me for my advice; I’m happy with that contribution.

My views about being careful in releasing information @ post #170 are close to those of DavieG @ post #74 where he says:

“As long as they're not being silenced, and we now know they are not then I believe it's in their own interests to keep their plans/thoughts to themselves whilst negotiations are in progress.

If they can come to an acceptable arrangement then our support will have counted if they cannot come to a satisfactory solution then they can then announce the full situation so that we as fans can decide whether to support them further or whether we feel they or the club are being unreasonable.”

It is unfair to categorise me as a lone voice as Valerenga has done since filbertway @ post #157 said “To be fair I agree with what unreachable is saying...”

I don’t know whether witty comments are appropriate to this thread. I regard it as a serious thread.

I don’t want to be the subject of insults but just to make contributions to the thread when I have something to say. You may not agree with what I say but others reading the forum as members or guests may do so for all you know.

I repeat that I support the aims and objectives of the Fosse Boys.

if that's the case, then why is everybody sick to death of you and are labelling you a troll, a bore, a pedant, a bum chum to the club and king pessimist and,yet, have said nothing about anyone else - if you can't see why this distinction is made, then you really are beyond saving.

i don't recall specifically 'categorising you as a lone voice' - but as i've just said, if that's how people are treating you on this board, and i think most people feel this way about you, there's probably some substance in it. i'm sure you're probably a decent bloke, but you seem determined to rub people up the wrong way - i know davieG, for example, has the thickest of skins and you clearly annoy him.

the thing is, and i'm going to get this off my chest, once and for all....

you suck the energy out of people and threads - in the last thread you went on and on, over and over about the FB declaring a desire to stand in their manifesto, telling us that we wouldn't have supported them if we knew - which we would and did. it was just interminable, no matter how many people explained the situation or tried to suggest what the real issues were.

you hide behind your self-declared neutrality and then vindicate the clubs clumsy and embarrassing actions and deceit and then criticise the FB for being divisive about the slightest inconsistencies in things they post casually on here.

in this thread you turned a positve and encouraging statement (backed up by the club's statement) from the FB into a full scale war, with your weapons of choice: negativity, pedantry and repetition.

i'm sure some people might agree with you, but they're not exactly forthcoming, as others have said, you don't actually seem to have much to say, just asking the same shit stirring questions ad infinitum

carry on as you are doing if you wish, it's a free forum, but don't get all upset when people start to complain and criticise you - it'll only happen if you're upsetting enough people often enough (which i guess you must be doing).

[leftsideoverhere]

I specifically clarified it as under 8's, teenagers especially should be allowed in. You also need to note that I'm taking an entirely practical selfless view being an adult concession myself so it would affect me directly.

Then I apologise. I read the "no juniors/under 8s" to be referring to two different groups of people: juniors and under 8s. I assumed therefore that what you meant by juniors were the next age group up, say the 9 to 16s. It sounds like we agree.

To the person who said the kop at Filbo was 'adults only', are you sure? I can't think I'd have been happy paying adult prices when I was standing in pen 3 at the age of 15.

[davieG]

Then I apologise. I read the "no juniors/under 8s" to be referring to two different groups of people: juniors and under 8s. I assumed therefore that what you meant by juniors were the next age group up, say the 9 to 16s. It sounds like we agree.

To the person who said the kop at Filbo was 'adults only', are you sure? I can't think I'd have been happy paying adult prices when I was standing in pen 3 at the age of 15.

On reflection it wasn't very clear I only chose at because that's the age LCFC use. As for the old kop I do recall their being no concessions in their at one stage

[leftsideoverhere]

On reflection it wasn't very clear I only chose at because that's the age LCFC use. As for the old kop I do recall their being no concessions in their at one stage

Maybe it's my memory going, now I'm getting on a bit. Or maybe my time in the kop was a different few years. Pricing policy does change every now and again. Anyway, now that I've agreed with you and Ric Flair and Houdini Logic in the space of three threads on here, I consider my FoxesTalk life complete for the time being. Time for sleep. We have an early start in the morning.