Thracian Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 A bit of stability in the defence would do wonders for us. A settled defence should be the basis of any team. We have chopped and changed the defence and system too often to see any great defensive displays. Morrison played, dropped, played. Moussa, Moreno, Hobbs and Vitor were all treated the same. If you want protection in front of the back four - I have to agree with Finners and put Abe there. I have to agree with you about Brown but here you are clearly talking bollocks but again that's for General Chat. Abe gets caught in possession more than Wellens from what little has been seen of him. And has absolutely no presence in the air.
Finnegan Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 Abe gets caught in possession more than Wellens from what little has been seen of him. And has absolutely no presence in the air. Whilst playing drastically out of position, wanting to play simple passes He doesn't know how to function as a winger, it's not something he's used to, he's receiving the ball and he's looking to deliver it forward or inside and sometimes there aren't people there because his team mates are expecting him to push on himself and take his man on - something he's not in the side to be doing.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 Ironic that he had to go for his objectionable political views but Ultra can sit in council as Mayor and representative of the effectively and demonstrably white-English hating Labour Party while 5.5 million people remain unemployed. But that's quite another matter. And all of them white, obviously. I just think we need a settled defence. It's that simple. In some ways, maybe bringing Naughton and Davies Hasn't helped, even though their better players, but on the fipside of that, give them time to bed in... oh, forgot, month-long loan. <_<
paddy Agyemang Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 problem lie's with oakley, he is shit get him off
acooling08 Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 problem lie's with oakley, he is shit get him off He played a great ball to King to score against Hull and played very well at Leeds. To suggest that us 'leaking goals' is purely down to Oakley is unbelievably harsh and plain wrong. And Finnegan, Labour have done far more damage to this country than the BNP. You can't really judge them politically as they've never been in power.
The Doctor Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 Abe gets caught in possession more than Wellens from what little has been seen of him. And has absolutely no presence in the air. so play moreno in there instead. Both have been somewhat poor so far but the general opinion when they played in central midfield in the cup game v pompey was that abe ran the show and it was moreno's best performance for us. Why? because they were played in the position they are comfortable with.
Finnegan Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 And Finnegan, Labour have done far more damage to this country than the BNP. You can't really judge them politically as they've never been in power. Fortunately, those of us with a brain in our head don't need them to have been in power to "judge them politically." Hence why they've never BEEN in power and never will be. Fortunately, most of us in this country are deeply proud of the generations that preceded us spilling their blood to fight off fascism and generally find it disgusting that Nick Griffin's fascist party use the iconography of that war to promote their far-right goals.
Guest Bilo Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 Brown's been replaced by a Portuguese and a black man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls Thus proving him right.
FoxyPV Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 And Finnegan, Labour have done far more damage to this country than the BNP. You can't really judge them politically as they've never been in power. Why do you even chip in about anything to do with politics? You always pipe up with such bollocks. The BNP will never be in power as they are a bunch of racists wankers and people don't like racist wankers. Are you getting the hint? Thrac - I'd be more than happy with Sven using anyone in front of the back four if it stops us conceding so many.
Thracian Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 Whilst playing drastically out of position, wanting to play simple passes He doesn't know how to function as a winger, it's not something he's used to, he's receiving the ball and he's looking to deliver it forward or inside and sometimes there aren't people there because his team mates are expecting him to push on himself and take his man on - something he's not in the side to be doing. Ummmmm sounds a bit excusey to me but we'll perhaps see Tuesday.
Thracian Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 so play moreno in there instead. Both have been somewhat poor so far but the general opinion when they played in central midfield in the cup game v pompey was that abe ran the show and it was moreno's best performance for us. Why? because they were played in the position they are comfortable with. I'm not bothered who plays there so long as they do the job properly and earn their place on merit.
Thracian Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 And all of them white, obviously. General chat, pal. But if it helps I don't like to see anyone out of work.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 General chat, pal. But if it helps I don't like to see anyone out of work. EXCUSE ME! It was YOU who piped in first with some stupid political comment in a football related thread. Talking football you talk some good stuff, it's when you talk balls is the problem.
toblerone Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 The best form of defence is attack, and we can't attack, we can't expect any defence to withstand all the pressure we are putting on our back four
okie fox Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 The problem this season is the defence has been playing higher up the pitch and doesn't have the speed to recover. Also the defence has been vulnerable to corners and high balls into the box. A defensive midfielder is not going to solve these problems.
The Doctor Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 The problem this season is the defence has been playing higher up the pitch and doesn't have the speed to recover. Also the defence has been vulnerable to corners and high balls into the box. A defensive midfielder is not going to solve these problems. we've conceded a fair few goals from long-range, because we haven't been getting tight enough. A defensive midfielder would solve that and provide more support to the defence while playing higher up the pitch (not that they've actually been doing that from what i've seen this season)
caz05 Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 problem lie's with oakley, he is shit get him off
cc_star Posted 24 October 2010 Posted 24 October 2010 Sven will get it right but it takes time, don't forget Sven hasn't had the luxury of the summer break like Sousa had. We need a defensive midfielder. When the opposition have the ball our midfield rarely wins it back, we get run through everytime leaving the defence under pressure. Dyer is a luxury on the wing, King is a proven attacking player, but we need a better combatative midfielder than we have in the squad, we also need someone on the right who stays a bit withdrawn to provide extra cover, the attacking flair on that side looks like it will be Naughton(?) on the overlap
paddy Agyemang Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 He played a great ball to King to score against Hull and played very well at Leeds. To suggest that us 'leaking goals' is purely down to Oakley is unbelievably harsh and plain wrong. And Finnegan, Labour have done far more damage to this country than the BNP. You can't really judge them politically as they've never been in power. YOU GEEK!! if oakley is playing then we mayaswell play with 10 men beacause he is crap: (king and wellens) in the middle with dyer nguessan vassell gallagher or moussa out wide
Thracian Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 The problem this season is the defence has been playing higher up the pitch and doesn't have the speed to recover. Also the defence has been vulnerable to corners and high balls into the box. A defensive midfielder is not going to solve these problems. Depends who it is. King often used to provide an additional head in the box for such situations. I just don't see Abe, Wellens or Oakley doing that and agree with you that it has caused major problems.
marbelladave Posted 25 October 2010 Posted 25 October 2010 Depends who it is. King often used to provide an additional head in the box for such situations. I just don't see Abe, Wellens or Oakley doing that and agree with you that it has caused major problems. King's defensive work is primarily done in and around our box, effectively he plays as though a member of our back 4. Whilst he does contribute in midfield he does not really do the job of a holding player who sits in front of the back 4 as a first line of defence, Parthering King with such a player way well be the most effective combination, ie one man playing a disciplined holding role and King, as usual, filling the gaps and helping out in the box. We have two such specialist players in Yuke Abe and Moreno, but as yet they have given little indication that they are up for the role but having said that their opportunities to impress have been brief and mostly out of position. Partnering King with Oakley and/or Wellens does not really work for me, neither has the capability to be the pivot (or rock, if you prefer) around which our midfield can play. King does not perform that role either, but his abilities elswhere, particularly in both boxes, makes up for that. In essence I would like to see King return to his 'natural' box to box role, a holding player providing the defensive discipline and a more creative player given the more advanced roll.
Lillehamring Posted 25 October 2010 Author Posted 25 October 2010 Very well written. Agree 100%. I just wonder why you believe so much that Abe will come good. He sounds like a little boy lost at the moment. We desperately need some energy and aggression in the centre of midfield. We lack a leader too. Imo Sven needs to sort this ut before anything else. it's not so much that i believe he will solve all our problems i just really hope he does. he's a city player and unlike a lot of our fans i want all our signings to be a success. what i've seen of Abe suggests that he is probably one of the most technically proficient players we have had since muzzy, granted he probably looks nervy now and again, but it doesn't help when he is overlooked on free kicks for the atrocious waghorn.
Lillehamring Posted 25 October 2010 Author Posted 25 October 2010 Woah now, hold on. Patience is a virtue. We've just signed three out of four defenders completely a-new, don't you think they might need time to gel? And all we've really got to go on are two games, both very tough away days. There's no shame in losing away to Swansea and there's no shame in shipping a goal at Elland Road, however poor Lids were on the night. I'd give the new signings time to bed down before hitting the panic button, personally. Oh, and in regards Defensive Midfield - Yuki fucking Abe. Ballwinner. didn't intend to come across as panicking, more just bewildered - i'm optimistic enough to think that it'll improve, it was more a query of why it has been so bad.
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