ivarti Posted 4 January 2011 Author Posted 4 January 2011 I'm not going to go too much into it.Just as a reminder though watch these... Oh Dear.... Oh dear oh dear... We have won games without him/them in the team and we have lost games with them in the team. Please, on the back of two games can we not make out that they are faultless players who should have played every game. Hobbs has been terribly off form and Morrison has always had question mark over him. It was the right decision to leave them out when they have been, even if to actually save their confidence a bit and then bring them back into the team when we are doing better. They are both young and weren't use to being on the end of heavy losses here. I'm not pro or anti any of these players but people opinions swing wildly on the back of a couple of performances. I'd like to know your opinions of Morrison after nine games of the season? I have watched Leicester for around 40 years, seen players come and go and also been around the training ground to watch players like Gary Lineker, Andy Peake and Jordan Stewart in the youth teams. You had surely given them a go as well. I hope that Sven makes his moves right, because he can't pick on the top shelf while at Leicester, and every new signing is a risk. Martin O'Neill made few mistakes in his picking of new players and he managed to bring on Neil Lennon, Robbie Savage, Muzzy Izzet and Matt Elliott and several others from lower levels and bond them together as a great group, with a few experienced players also in his squad. I certainly hope that my judgement on Morrison is right, and Hobbs is even better. Berner is quality and can score goals from left back, that is a special skill. Like to see them do well, since they are good and shold be rated.
Babylon Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 but I would like to see him working with what we've got unless you're signing someone obviously of a better class (a la Naughton over Lamey & Neilson) Would you not agree though that on paper, the players he was signing were better. They aren't exactly over the hill players coming to the end of their careers. They were all proven quality players, Kirkland, Bednar and Davies have either proved them self at this level or above. Of course they might not have all worked out, and they might not be permanent signings. But if he had identified those areas as our weakest he will surely be on the look out for better players anyway still.
cc_star Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 Would you not agree though that on paper, the players he was signing were better. They aren't exactly over the hill players coming to the end of their careers. They were all proven quality players, Kirkland, Bednar and Davies have either proved them self at this level or above. Of course they might not have all worked out, and they might not be permanent signings. But if he had identified those areas as our weakest he will surely be on the look out for better players anyway still. yeah, Davies was just what was needed and had an instant impact, helping to turn things around for Sven... but it was obvious for 4 games his heart wasn't in and he wasn't either called to account for his sub-standard performances which contributed our poor run or dropped. Kirkland was atrocious for us, it was coincidence that our defence was in disarray and positively un-Sven-like when he was or more accurately wasn't bossing the defence around. Bednar is a strange one, he's been great in this division and its shocking just how bad he's been for us. He was a gamble worth taking. what I kinda have the problem with is that all these players have been a shown a loyalty that hasn't been shown to the likes of Weale, Morrison, and perhaps more importantly Fryatt (feck him he's gone now) or Waghorn ***edit*** Forgot to add that I firmly believe that picking a defence that can play well together can be more important than picking the best players. QPR, despite being the supposed richest club in the world haven't out-spent the division, the haven't signed Premier league players who can't break into their first teams... they've built a team and perhaps more importantly built a team spirit, I'm not sure you can do that with one area of the team being so heavily weighted towards player who aren't even ours
ivarti Posted 4 January 2011 Author Posted 4 January 2011 yeah, Davies was just what was needed and had an instant impact, helping to turn things around for Sven... but it was obvious for 4 games his heart wasn't in and he wasn't either called to account for his sub-standard performances which contributed our poor run or dropped. Kirkland was atrocious for us, it was coincidence that our defence was in disarray and positively un-Sven-like when he was or more accurately wasn't bossing the defence around. Bednar is a strange one, he's been great in this division and its shocking just how bad he's been for us. He was a gamble worth taking. what I kinda have the problem with is that all these players have been a shown a loyalty that hasn't been shown to the likes of Weale, Morrison, and perhaps more importantly Fryatt (feck him he's gone now) or Waghorn ***edit*** Forgot to add that I firmly believe that picking a defence that can play well together can be more important than picking the best players. QPR, despite being the supposed richest club in the world haven't out-spent the division, the haven't signed Premier league players who can't break into their first teams... they've built a team and perhaps more importantly built a team spirit, I'm not sure you can do that with one area of the team being so heavily weighted towards player who aren't even ours Bonding is so important in team sport, and you cannot question that. Leicester had a solid defence last season, only 3 clubs let less goals in, and it was Morrison, Hobbs, Berner and Brown who played most of the games. Naughton is a good signing, but not a world beater, Curtis Davies is also a good addition., but uncertainty about their future makes it difficult to see how they can be part of a long term defensive quartet. I certainly hope that Sven makes his moves right from now on and forward.
ivarti Posted 4 January 2011 Author Posted 4 January 2011 Bonding is so important in team sport, and you cannot question that. Leicester had a solid defence last season, only 3 clubs let less goals in, and it was Morrison, Hobbs, Berner and Brown who played most of the games. Naughton is a good signing, but not a world beater, Curtis Davies is also a good addition., but uncertainty about their future makes it difficult to see how they can be part of a long term defensive quartet. I certainly hope that Sven makes his moves right from now on and forward. Nigel Pearson, Martin O'Neill, Gordon Milne and Jimmy Bloomfield all made it as Leicester managers and they never loaned players as permanent choices, they loaned players that could come in from the bench or be filling up the squad when injuries striked. Let's hope that Sven soon will find his best team, add one or two good players in January and not experiment too much with Leicester City, we have seen that before and not really managed much.
blueredswed Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 I think Sven is building a team after the way he would see fottball be playing. We are no coaches and not see what the players are doing on the training. I have not seeing them (liven in Sweden) but Sven have them in training every day. He would see wich players is good for the team and how he would like them to play. I say IN SVEN I Trust.........
Babylon Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 yeah, Davies was just what was needed and had an instant impact, helping to turn things around for Sven... but it was obvious for 4 games his heart wasn't in and he wasn't either called to account for his sub-standard performances which contributed our poor run or dropped. Kirkland was atrocious for us, it was coincidence that our defence was in disarray and positively un-Sven-like when he was or more accurately wasn't bossing the defence around. Bednar is a strange one, he's been great in this division and its shocking just how bad he's been for us. He was a gamble worth taking. what I kinda have the problem with is that all these players have been a shown a loyalty that hasn't been shown to the likes of Weale, Morrison, and perhaps more importantly Fryatt (feck him he's gone now) or Waghorn ***edit*** Forgot to add that I firmly believe that picking a defence that can play well together can be more important than picking the best players. QPR, despite being the supposed richest club in the world haven't out-spent the division, the haven't signed Premier league players who can't break into their first teams... they've built a team and perhaps more importantly built a team spirit, I'm not sure you can do that with one area of the team being so heavily weighted towards player who aren't even ours I'm sure Sven would have preferred buying them if he could. But, he joined when we were bottom of the table, leaking goals and had just been spanked 6-1 away from home and could actually have let in 12 that game. The window was closed so his options were, stick with what you have (a back line devoid of confidence and form), or loan players, two players of proven quality and one up and coming player he already knew about. He can only judge them on what he would have seen, and that was the games this season and in training. If they were performing in training like they had been in games then it's going to seal their fate. It's hardly surprising that he felt it needed addressing straight away. I'm not sure anyone could blame him for that either, we all would have thought the same at the time. QPR have spent quite a bit in all honestly, maybe not under Warnock entirely but they were regularly signing £1m players a season or so back. If we stay top of the form tables since Sousa got the chop it's hard to argue with his decisions too much in my opinion. Maybe he got lucky with the injuries, maybe the results would have been the same. Who knows.
STUHILL Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 Sven still has a lot of work to do. The importance of having a settled team is essential and I think we won't have that until next season. If we make it this year then great, but I think Sven has to have an eye on next season too, so we can have a more stable squad to work with. A consistent back 4 would be the first point to address. I do understand we are trying to achieve instant success though and not blaming Sven for tinkering at this early stage, especially with the funds available. Just hope we can have a settled 11-16 players which Sven is happy with sooner rather than later.
Babylon Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 Nigel Pearson and they never loaned players as permanent choices Hobbs Gilbert Cleverly Davies Waghorn Spearing To name just a few, and most of whom were in the team constantly or worked their way into the team after a short while.
STUHILL Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 Hobbs Gilbert Cleverly Davies Waghorn Spearing To name just a few, and most of whom were in the team constantly or worked their way into the team after a short while. Haha I was thinking that too! It's exactly what Pearson did to get us promoted.
themotivator Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 it just feels like you are talking like sven hasn't been quite good enough and that you could do a better job. you seem to be banging about massive claims like they are fact when in reality they are speculation and largely inacurate... the arguement got boring a while ago though. wish you both luck with your future posts.
sphericalfox Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 it just feels like you are talking like sven hasn't been quite good enough and that you could do a better job. you seem to be banging about massive claims like they are fact when in reality they are speculation and largely inacurate... the arguement got boring a while ago though. wish you both luck with your future posts. I gave after the first two/three responses. Another 'been there - done that' fan. For someone who claims to have followed Sven's career for a long time, i do wonder who you thought his favourte player at Mexico was........no? Ok, how about the Ivory Coast? Hmm, what about when he was Roma, Lazio or anything before England. Sounds like to me you might well be the person to speak to about all things Sven! I too look forward to your next post.
cc_star Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 Hobbs Gilbert Cleverly Davies Waghorn Spearing To name just a few, and most of whom were in the team constantly or worked their way into the team after a short while. Good to see them all in a list, of course they weren't all at the same time, for example Spearing & Cleverly never played together and the length of everyone's time at the club wasn't open to uncertainty, the were all with us on season long loans adding to the sens of stability and permanence. There was none of the will we/won't we that is causing debate, doubt & uncertainty amongst the likes of Curtis Davis over the past month They have one thing in common, all young & hungry, no has-beens and no injury ridden bench warmers, pretty much like Sven's two best loan signings Naughton and Cunningham. It also probably helped that they were spread more thinly all over the pitch so it complemented the existing squad better. Also it wasn't like asking 4 defenders & a goalie who had never played together to go out and perform, rather than letting them ease into the team and form partnerships. I take onboard your earlier comment though about the window being shut and the back-line devoid of confidence & form, so what else could he really do.
STUHILL Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 Good to see them all in a list, of course they weren't all at the same time, for example Spearing & Cleverly never played together and the length of everyone's time at the club wasn't open to uncertainty, the were all with us on season long loans adding to the sens of stability and permanence. There was none of the will we/won't we that is causing debate, doubt & uncertainty amongst the likes of Curtis Davis over the past month They have one thing in common, all young & hungry, no has-beens and no injury ridden bench warmers, pretty much like Sven's two best loan signings Naughton and Cunningham. It also probably helped that they were spread more thinly all over the pitch so it complemented the existing squad better. Also it wasn't like asking 4 defenders & a goalie who had never played together to go out and perform, rather than letting them ease into the team and form partnerships. I take onboard your earlier comment though about the window being shut and the back-line devoid of confidence & form, so what else could he really do. Not sure if you saw our league position when Sven joined, but those changes were needed and immediately! I think everyone would agree we need a settled team, especially a back four, but all Sven had was the loan market and the players he brought in on paper have been incredible. Some have't quite worked out, granted, but that's the risk you take with loans and one we needed to take to get us winning again, which is what Sven has done. I don't understand the has-beens comment?? Kirkland was a risk with his injury prone background but no one could foresee he would have that much bad luck with us. Otherwise he again, on paper is a class signing. Sven knows what he's doing and I'm sure he wants to have a settled team as soon as possible too, but changes were and are still needed so it may take him a while yet to get there.
Babylon Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 Good to see them all in a list, of course they weren't all at the same time, for example Spearing & Cleverly never played together and the length of everyone's time at the club wasn't open to uncertainty, the were all with us on season long loans adding to the sens of stability and permanence. There was none of the will we/won't we that is causing debate, doubt & uncertainty amongst the likes of Curtis Davis over the past month They have one thing in common, all young & hungry, no has-beens and no injury ridden bench warmers, pretty much like Sven's two best loan signings Naughton and Cunningham. It also probably helped that they were spread more thinly all over the pitch so it complemented the existing squad better. Also it wasn't like asking 4 defenders & a goalie who had never played together to go out and perform, rather than letting them ease into the team and form partnerships. I take onboard your earlier comment though about the window being shut and the back-line devoid of confidence & form, so what else could he really do. Spearing, Cleverly, Waghorn (was extended to full season in Jan) and Davies were all short loans, as were others like Vaughn. I could be wrong, but I thought I read that all players under a certain age can be called back at 24 hours notice, not 100% sure on that one though. Are Davies, Bednar and Kirkland really has beens? Kirkland had an injury yes, but he'd been fit since the summer. Some what harsh on players that have proven quality and that would walk into 99% of teams in this league. I know I sound like a broken record but by saying the comment below you make it sound like they were dreadful. They weren't, we were top of the form leagues until the recent blip. As i've said before there is no way to know if we'd of got another result in the last two with the other defence in place or not, it's all guess work. "It also probably helped that they were spread more thinly all over the pitch so it complemented the existing squad better. Also it wasn't like asking 4 defenders & a goalie who had never played together to go out and perform, rather than letting them ease into the team and form partnerships."
tomtom Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 Just on Fryatt When will people realise he simply does not fit into the system Leicester are playing under Sven and even were playing under Sousa! He can't play as a lone striker and is much more suited to playing with a big man next to him, feeding off the scraps in a 4-4-2 If Sven intends to keep playing this system it makes perfect sense to sell him and use the money on someone who will fit in
ivarti Posted 4 January 2011 Author Posted 4 January 2011 Just on Fryatt When will people realise he simply does not fit into the system Leicester are playing under Sven and even were playing under Sousa! He can't play as a lone striker and is much more suited to playing with a big man next to him, feeding off the scraps in a 4-4-2 If Sven intends to keep playing this system it makes perfect sense to sell him and use the money on someone who will fit in Leicester have a squad of players that at the moment are very uncertain about their future, we have too many loan players with too much impact, not being able to help us being consistent. Throwing our most experienced players in and out of the team is not something being used as a success formula elsewhere and bonding is not yet been talked about as a way to get forward. Sven has sold Fryatt, a player you are saying doesn't fit in to the system, so why would he bother staying and fight for his place ? Fryatt will show you all that he can do it, and hopefully Sven will make it work no matter what. I am no fan of Sousa, so far things have been going from bad to better and we are all hoping for an exciting spring. About loan players, Hobbs, Gibbs, Brown, Vitor and Waghorn were all long term loans, and when Hobbs and Brown became integral parts of the team they were signed. I have not yet seen a team established on loans itself have been a promotion candidate.
Babylon Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 Leicester have a squad of players that at the moment are very uncertain about their future, we have too many loan players with too much impact, not being able to help us being consistent. Throwing our most experienced players in and out of the team is not something being used as a success formula elsewhere and bonding is not yet been talked about as a way to get forward. Sven has sold Fryatt, a player you are saying doesn't fit in to the system, so why would he bother staying and fight for his place ? Fryatt will show you all that he can do it, and hopefully Sven will make it work no matter what. I am no fan of Sousa, so far things have been going from bad to better and we are all hoping for an exciting spring. About loan players, Hobbs, Gibbs, Brown, Vitor and Waghorn were all long term loans, and when Hobbs and Brown became integral parts of the team they were signed. I have not yet seen a team established on loans itself have been a promotion candidate. Perhaps other teams should try it considering we are top of the league since Sousa left. Do you think we are going to win every single game or something? On loans... Who is Gibbs? Brown wasn't on loan and waghorn was a six month loan which was extended at Xmas. Sven had already said Naughton and Cunningham were set to stay on, and has said again today we are trying to sign naughton on a permanent. I really don't understand how you can sit there slating the way he has gone about things when the results table proves you utterly wrong (currently) about it not working.
Jacnah Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 Perhaps other teams should try it considering we are top of the league since Sousa left. Do you think we are going to win every single game or something? On loans... Who is Gibbs? Brown wasn't on loan and waghorn was a six month loan which was extended at Xmas. Sven had already said Naughton and Cunningham were set to stay on, and has said again today we are trying to sign naughton on a permanent. I really don't understand how you can sit there slating the way he has gone about things when the results table proves you utterly wrong (currently) about it not working. Isn't this the only point that really matters? Everything else is just opinion, perhaps reasonably based , perhaps not. The point is the only thing he should be measured on is success and right now he's not doing a bad job
B52 Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 ....Sousa was still in charge,....Sousa failed in his attempt to bring a more positive way of playing. Nigel Pearson had introduced a team that was solid with no nonsence tactics and few changes in the line-up. Players last season adapted well and we ended up in the play-off's. No need to make too many changes. Sven came in and his mind was set on other things that trying to build a stronger team around the players he got, and he has not yet managed to find out who is his best. The way he has managed to stress Chris Weale is a riddle and not good management. Weale was a £ 2 million Tottenham target just a year ago and one of the most solid goalkeepers in the Championship. He is not England quality, but a rock solid goalkeeper who never makes big blunders and one that you should be able to use at this level. He has shown Sven that he can be his 1st choice. ..... "your" players were very bad at the start of the season... What do you think Sven will do. Sven: I wonder if I will let the wonder boys of Sousa take resonsibility til christmas... - No way, he had to get in players and had to let them start or else he wouldn't get any quality.... Maybe a few loans from league one. Weale can't communicate. Why should you allow your gk to be quiet as a mouse. And Pearsons worldclassbeateersofyesterday is ripped apart by the more aggressive teams. Hence Svens wish to have more power and speed with players like Bamba(hopefully). If Weale is so good as you and a few others state I believe he sabotaged for the team. Some of the passes in defence has been so horrific. Mistakes you maybe see once a season and here you see it a lot and they don't have any real pressure on them either.
Bettsj2 Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 "your" players were very bad at the start of the season... What do you think Sven will do. Sven: I wonder if I will let the wonder boys of Sousa take resonsibility til christmas... - No way, he had to get in players and had to let them start or else he wouldn't get any quality.... Maybe a few loans from league one. Weale can't communicate. Why should you allow your gk to be quiet as a mouse. And Pearsons worldclassbeateersofyesterday is ripped apart by the more aggressive teams. Hence Svens wish to have more power and speed with players like Bamba(hopefully). If Weale is so good as you and a few others state I believe he sabotaged for the team. Some of the passes in defence has been so horrific. Mistakes you maybe see once a season and here you see it a lot and they don't have any real pressure on them either. Cant understand peoples bumming of Weale. Everytime a ball comes over the top, every central defender at the club has at some point been waiting for him to come and take control and he never does. He never looks confident on crosses and we all know that he is well suspect from long range. Just because he was better than the 5 keepers we had the season before, people seem to think he's top class when the reality is he's average.
deep blue Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 Sven asked Fryatt to fight for his place....he didn't want to and chose the easy option himself. Sven didn't "sell" Fryatt. Interesting read though. Totally untrue. Fryatt had several clubs chasing him in the previous loan window, but opted to stay to fight for his place. On Dec 10th Sven said that Fryatt was getting sharper and sharper in training, that he was scoring for fun, and that he would give him a run-out. He never did that, even though he had an ideal opportunity when we had sealed the game against Doncaster.
Kingy_85 Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 QPR squad, good enough ?, who are their top names, not posh footballing stars. We will get answers against Man City in the FA Cup, judge me then on Morrison, if he is playing. Surely he is good enough, and don't fool my judgement.................... You dont get out to many games do you Ivarti?
STUHILL Posted 4 January 2011 Posted 4 January 2011 Totally untrue. Fryatt had several clubs chasing him in the previous loan window, but opted to stay to fight for his place. On Dec 10th Sven said that Fryatt was getting sharper and sharper in training, that he was scoring for fun, and that he would give him a run-out. He never did that, even though he had an ideal opportunity when we had sealed the game against Doncaster. Bert who has always been a reliable source of ongoings in the club has suggested that Fryatt's attitude had been very poor for a while now and he wanted a move and was the one who handed in a transfer request, The whole Sven coming out saying Fryatt wanted to stay and fight for his place sounds a bit fishy if you ask me Hopefully, we won't be talking about Fryatt soon as we will have other strikers coming in and scoring for us
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