RL Phone in

[sphericalfox]

Regarding the passion bit, I honestly believe players can make up what they lack in talent by having the passion to play for a club. I'd rather have 11 unproven players who care about the team than 11 premiership has beens here for one last big pay day.

For example, its no coincidence the england side containing the 'golden generation' have been crap.

I'm not an England fan but unless you are referring to the National side, individually there have been a great deal of players playing exceeding well for a very long time. Scholes being one of them.

Passion > Ability ?

That's a formula that would end in failure. A combination of both would fine. But blindly asking all the players to run around chasing lost causes into the ground, and still losing? Hmm, no thanks.

[The Year Of The Fox]

is it because this "golden generation" weren't actually all that much?

I'm not saying "passion" is completely irrelevant but if you were to take 11 premiership has beens and pit them off against 11 members of this forum, despite the 11 members of this forum having more "passion" they'd still get their asses handed to them.

ability is key, "passion" should be used to seperate two possible signings should they be roughly equal in terms of ability.

But all these players clearly are professional footballers, so sometimes passion should be what sways it- Which also invalidates your comparison to 11 forum members- though I do see your point.

OK, forget England then, Norwich!

[The Year Of The Fox]

Here's an example.. Watch both videos and the lineups (and compare the players singing), then answer two questions. Which team had the better individual players? Which team was more successful?

Yeh its a weak argument there to be laughed at, but I believe passion makes a huge difference

[Foxblogger]

Is it that time of the month for a moaning thread about the phone-in already?

[sphericalfox]

Is it that time of the month for a moaning thread about the phone-in already?

Casual racism and geographical stupidity, with an influx of 'we ain't bot noone yet!' It's worth discussing.

I just wanted to know if for some reason a professional and quality piece of radio journalism or discussion actually occurred this week. Apparently not.

Maybe next time. Optimism and all that for this year!

[LCFC_FAN_1995]

Anything of interest in the moan-in this evening other than bleating on about 'a lack of signings'?

I failed to register that it may be on.

when was this?

[MC Prussian]

I would propose cancelling RL Phone-Ins for the duration of the off-season.

It's just such a senseless operation, senseless talk about senseless topics.

[Guest Col city fan]

People still listen to the moan in?

It's such a depressing thing, the presenters are either boring (barber) or retarded (stringer) and the callers all seem to have the dangerous mix of high expectations and a tenuous grip of reality.

Why on earth should people not have high expectations? We are bookies faves for promotion... We have sir Sven as manager and apparently cash on the hip....

Why on earth do you want to continue to portray us as a club smaller in stature than we actually are? This season the fans are expectant... And bloody right we should be.

You'll be singing svens praises if he gets it right or saying that we were all 'overly expectant' if we don't....

Find the nearest fence and sit on it eh?

I'll predict NOW that we don't make the top two come the end of the season with Sven at the helm... I hope I'm wrong but at least Im saying what I think

[Guest Col city fan]

Here's an example.. Watch both videos and the lineups (and compare the players singing), then answer two questions. Which team had the better individual players? Which team was more successful?

Yeh its a weak argument there to be laughed at, but I believe passion makes a huge difference

And one that I continue to agree with you on Stu...

Wanting to give it all for your club ain't the be all and end all... but it helps to achieve things

[MC Prussian]

Why on earth should people not have high expectations? We are bookies faves for promotion... We have sir Sven as manager and apparently cash on the hip....

Why on earth do you want to continue to portray us as a club smaller in stature than we actually are? This season the fans are expectant... And bloody right we should be.

You'll be singing svens praises if he gets it right or saying that we were all 'overly expectant' if we don't....

Find the nearest fence and sit on it eh?

I'll predict NOW that we don't make the top two come the end of the season with Sven at the helm... I hope I'm wrong but at least Im saying what I think

I'd rather start out with modest expectations, being surprised as the season progresses than to start with high hopes and ending up as a regular RL Phone-In caller and moaner.

You know, less risk of hurting my head in the process.

[Guest Col city fan]

I'd rather start out with modest expectations, being surprised as the season progresses than to start with high hopes and ending up as a regular RL Phone-In caller and moaner.

You know, less risk of hurting my head in the process.

Why not start out with high expectations (as we should have.... The bookies don't have us as joint faves for no reason?) and then phone-in to comment upon how pleased we are that those expectations are being met and that svens brand of football is exactly what the club needed?

Why are so many city fans on here, you included, so

miserable as to not even want to big us up and actually admit that this season we SHOULD do well?

I guess it's due to fear of looking silly if we don't..

Don't put others down for expressing what they think should happen and then fail to make predictions yourself.

I think I can understand your 'glass half empty' philosophy on city but it's a negative way to live your life... I don't think we will do as well as the bookies think... And I don't mind saying so

[Guest BlueBrett]

the sum of the parts is greater than the whole

I'm pretty sure you've got your cliche the wrong way round. Also virtually everything else you said was dumb.

[sphericalfox]

Why not start out with high expectations (as we should have.... The bookies don't have us as joint faves for no reason?) and then phone-in to comment upon how pleased we are that those expectations are being met and that svens brand of football is exactly what the club needed?

Why are so many city fans on here, you included, so

miserable as to not even want to big us up and actually admit that this season we SHOULD do well?

I guess it's due to fear of looking silly if we don't..

Don't put others down for expressing what they think should happen and then fail to make predictions yourself.

I think I can understand your 'glass half empty' philosophy on city but it's a negative way to live your life... I don't think we will do as well as the bookies think... And I don't mind saying so

You are missing the f***ing point as usual. The producers of said show in the majority only put moaners on the airwaves. The commentary or insight is biased and outdated, and those with something intelligent or objective to say rarely get a look in.

The match day commentary and supplements like this programme DO have a direct effect on a particular band of audience member. Everything is taken as gospel. An almost illicit trust of listener and biased broadcaster. The BBC is supposed to be objective. It's great that those on these programmes are fans or are at least connected to LCFC in some way, but really enough is enough.

It's guaranteed that favourites are going to be taken this season, and those who are disliked berated for no real objective reasoning. I don't have anything personal against those involved, but it really is embarrassing on a professional point of view, and not representative of the fans in any which way the majority of the time.

[The Doctor]

Why on earth should people not have high expectations? We are bookies faves for promotion... We have sir Sven as manager and apparently cash on the hip....

Why on earth do you want to continue to portray us as a club smaller in stature than we actually are? This season the fans are expectant... And bloody right we should be.

You'll be singing svens praises if he gets it right or saying that we were all 'overly expectant' if we don't....

Find the nearest fence and sit on it eh?

I'll predict NOW that we don't make the top two come the end of the season with Sven at the helm... I hope I'm wrong but at least Im saying what I think

You are such a ****ing mongaloid.

At no point did i say that people should not have high expectations, what i said was when people combine that with a tenuous grip on reality they begin to think we have a divine right to be signing world class players and winning every single match comfortably.

Also I have not been sitting on the fence much, if at all, with regards to next season.

[Guest Col city fan]

You are such a ****ing mongaloid.

At no point did i say that people should not have high expectations, what i said was when people combine that with a tenuous grip on reality they begin to think we have a divine right to be signing world class players and winning every single match comfortably.

Also I have not been sitting on the fence much, if at all, with regards to next season.

What 'tenous grip on reality' are you on about? Stop writing arbitrary shite and say whether you think we'll do well or not next season..

At least the callers of the moan-in have the bollox to voice what they are thinkIng.. You simply sit here on your fat arse, knock them for doing so and believe that you are superior in your views

[Guest Col city fan]

You are missing the f***ing point as usual. The producers of said show in the majority only put moaners on the airwaves. The commentary or insight is biased and outdated, and those with something intelligent or objective to say rarely get a look in.

The match day commentary and supplements like this

programme DO have a direct effect on a particular band of audience member. Everything is taken as gospel. An almost illicit trust of listener and biased broadcaster. The BBC is supposed to be objective. It's great that those on these programmes are fans or are at least connected to LCFC in some way, but really enough is enough.

It's guaranteed that favourites are going to be taken this

season, and those who are disliked berated for no real objective reasoning. I don't have anything personal against those involved, but it really is embarrassing on a professional point of view, and not representative of the fans in any which way the majority of the time.

I've listened to that show many times and have heard many callers make positive comments when we are playing well, being linked with certain players etc... What the fook you on about?

[The Doctor]

What 'tenous grip on reality' are you on about? Stop writing arbitrary shite and say whether you think we'll do well or not next season..

At least the callers of the moan-in have the bollox to voice what they are thinkIng.. You simply sit here on your fat arse, knock them for doing so and believe that you are superior in your views

The one that makes some city fans incredibly deluded, they somehow thing we are a big team, we are capable of signing whoever etc.

The fans who fail to understand we're just a championship club - with the backing we've got and a manager of sven's quality (you can dispute that all you want but you'd be wrong - you don't achieve what sven has achieved in his management career without more than a fair bit of ability) we've got a good chance of promotion next season but at the moment we aren't a good premiership side (as was suggested in a topic on here a couple of months back).

And rarely I have not voiced what I am thinking, so if you're desperate to know whether I think we'll do well next season then yes I do, we've got a good manager, decent backing to strengthen our squad, I'd be hopeful of mounting a serious promotion challenge next season.

[Guest Col city fan]

The one that makes some city fans incredibly deluded, they somehow thing we are a big team, we are capable of signing whoever etc.

The fans who fail to understand we're just a championship club - with the backing we've got and a manager of sven's quality (you can dispute that all you want but you'd be wrong - you don't achieve what sven has achieved in his management career without more than a fair bit of ability) we've got a good chance of promotion next season but at the moment we aren't a good premiership side (as was suggested in a topic on here a couple of months back).

And rarely I have not voiced what I am thinking, so if you're desperate to know whether I think we'll do well next season then yes I do, we've got a good manager, decent backing to strengthen our squad, I'd be hopeful of mounting a

serious promotion challenge next season.

At last you've said something worth hearing.. However, Do you really think that most city fans think we should be able to sign whoever we want to? That doesn't come across on here... Most of the players we have been lInked with we have been realistically linked with... And most fans have either been disappointed or happy if we haven't got them... Who exactly, constitutes your set of fans with a tenous grip on reality? Most of my mates actually think that Sven will fook it up, not win the league at a canter..

Is this what you really feel to be the case, or are you another foxes talk follower of the pack?

[The Doctor]

At last you've said something worth hearing.. However, Do you really think that most city fans think we should be able to sign whoever we want to? That doesn't come across on here... Most of the players we have been lInked with we have been realistically linked with... And most fans have either been disappointed or happy if we haven't got them... Who exactly, constitutes your set of fans with a tenous grip on reality? Most of my mates actually think that Sven will fook it up, not win the league at a canter..

Is this what you really feel to be the case, or are you another foxes talk follower of the pack?

- have you not read some of the topics on here?

There are some posts that hover on the verge of being completely retarded and suggest completely unrealistic signings - paticularly prevalent in the who would you buy? thread and, before he got banned, anything ambitious posted.

In the main they seem to be posters on here and RL callers. Most of the fans I know personally tend to have their head screwed on.

Finally, what are you talking about with regards to the "is this what you really feel to be the case"?

[ithuriel]

Poeple are a little bored, tired of reading who the papers say we are going to sign and the forums provide entertainment

[stockyfox]

I'm pretty sure you've got your cliche the wrong way round. Also virtually everything else you said was dumb.

You would be quite correct BlueBrett, in saying that the cliché I quoted was the 'wrong way round' – that is if you were expecting to see Aristotle's original saying ' The whole is greater than the sum of itsparts'.

However, this phrase has been turned around quite deliberately and justifiably on numerous occasions throughout history and myreasoning for doing so?

First and foremost, I want to see the 'whole' of the eleven players that take to the field in City colours play as a team - who work for each other unstintingly and unselfishly,with no prima donnas.

But I would hope that most of that 'whole' team would also display their individual talents and football skills that would bring an extra dimension to that team – in the same way as we fans have seen over the years from so many City players – the likes of Colin Appleton,Davie Gibson, Frank Worthington, Alan Birchenall, Gary Lineker, Keith Weller, Muzzy Izzet, Steve Walsh and many, many others who could produce moments of brilliance, above and beyond one's general expectation - one of those momentsthat you will remember for the rest ofyour life. That is when the sum of the parts is greater than the whole.

So you weren't impressed with my other thoughts! Faircomment but never in the sixty two years of following Leicester City have I seen such positive initiatives and a determination to succeed, emanating right from the top (no pun intended) and percolating right through the club.

The owners are ambitious and hungry for success. There will have been tacit disappointment that we failed to gain promotion this year but they have accepted this. Next year will be a different story. They expect promotion and if Sven fails to deliver, past reputations will count fornothing, he will be replaced.

I also have to say to those who criticise, ridicule and dismiss 'Football Forum' as a waste of time and space, you are not obliged totune in.

However, if you do, how many of you have actually phoned, sent a text or e-mailed the programme? I would say that there are far more 'moaners'on this (and other) message boards than are heard on the programme.

To my mind, there is regrettably a willing readiness to be critical of others, to be destructive, but only rarely do we see a constructive counter-balanced argument in the posting.

Some folk are quite happy to criticise / ridicule, in the semi-anonymity of the message boards, anybody and everybody who present or contribute to the programme but at the same time, show a marked reluctance inputting their own heads above the parapet.

Are they afraid that they too may be ridiculed? When itcomes to putting their views spontaneously on air, are they perhaps not as confident as they would wish?

It's easy to knock someone who they know will not respond but it would be interesting to see or hear the roles reversed......

[Guest Col city fan]

You would be quite correct BlueBrett, in saying that the clichéI quoted was the 'wrong way round' – that is if you were expecting to see Aristotle's original saying ' The whole is greater than the sum of itsparts'.

However, this phrase has been turned around quitedeliberately and justifiably on numerous occasions throughout history and myreasoning for doing so?

First and foremost, I want to see the 'whole' of the elevenplayers that take to the field in City colours play as a team - who work for each other unstintingly and unselfishly,with no prima donnas.

But I would hope thatmost of that 'whole' team would also display their individual talents and footballskills that would bring an extra dimension to that team – in the same way as wefans have seen over the years from so many City players – the likes of Colin Appleton,Davie Gibson, Frank Worthington, Alan Birchenall, Gary Lineker, Keith Weller,Muzzy Izzet, Steve Walsh and many, many others who could produce moments ofbrilliance, above and beyond one's general expectation - one of those momentsthat you will remember for the rest ofyour life. That is when the sum of the parts is greater than the whole.

So you weren't impressed with my other thoughts! Faircomment but never in the sixty two years of following Leicester City have Iseen such positive initiatives and a determination to succeed, emanating right fromthe top (no pun intended) and percolating right through the club.

The owners are ambitious and hungry for success. There willhave been tacit disappointment that we failed to gain promotion this year butthey have accepted this. Next year will be a different story. They expectpromotion and if Sven fails to deliver, past reputations will count fornothing, he will be replaced.

I also have to say to those who criticise, ridicule anddismiss 'Football Forum' as a waste of time and space, you are not obliged totune in.

However, if you do, how many of you have actually phoned, senta text or e-mailed the programme? I would say that there are far more 'moaners'on this (and other) message boards than are heard on the programme.

To my mind, there is regrettably a willing readiness to becritical of others, to be destructive, but only rarely do we see a constructivecounter-balanced argument in the posting.

Some folk are quite happy to criticise / ridicule, in thesemi-anonymity of the message boards, anybody and everybody who present orcontribute to the programme but at the same time, show a marked reluctance inputting their own heads above the parapet.

Are they afraid that they too may be ridiculed? When itcomes to putting their views spontaneously on air, are they perhaps not asconfident as they would wish?

It's easy to knock someone who they know will not respondbut it would be interesting to see or hear the roles reversed......

Fantastic post.... superbly written and I concur..

[sphericalfox]

You would be quite correct BlueBrett, in saying that the cliché I quoted was the 'wrong way round' – that is if you were expecting to see Aristotle's original saying ' The whole is greater than the sum of itsparts'.

However, this phrase has been turned around quite deliberately and justifiably on numerous occasions throughout history and myreasoning for doing so?

First and foremost, I want to see the 'whole' of the eleven players that take to the field in City colours play as a team - who work for each other unstintingly and unselfishly,with no prima donnas.

But I would hope that most of that 'whole' team would also display their individual talents and football skills that would bring an extra dimension to that team – in the same way as we fans have seen over the years from so many City players – the likes of Colin Appleton,Davie Gibson, Frank Worthington, Alan Birchenall, Gary Lineker, Keith Weller, Muzzy Izzet, Steve Walsh and many, many others who could produce moments of brilliance, above and beyond one's general expectation - one of those momentsthat you will remember for the rest ofyour life. That is when the sum of the parts is greater than the whole.

So you weren't impressed with my other thoughts! Faircomment but never in the sixty two years of following Leicester City have I seen such positive initiatives and a determination to succeed, emanating right from the top (no pun intended) and percolating right through the club.

The owners are ambitious and hungry for success. There will have been tacit disappointment that we failed to gain promotion this year but they have accepted this. Next year will be a different story. They expect promotion and if Sven fails to deliver, past reputations will count fornothing, he will be replaced.

I also have to say to those who criticise, ridicule and dismiss 'Football Forum' as a waste of time and space, you are not obliged totune in.

However, if you do, how many of you have actually phoned, sent a text or e-mailed the programme? I would say that there are far more 'moaners'on this (and other) message boards than are heard on the programme.

To my mind, there is regrettably a willing readiness to be critical of others, to be destructive, but only rarely do we see a constructive counter-balanced argument in the posting.

Some folk are quite happy to criticise / ridicule, in the semi-anonymity of the message boards, anybody and everybody who present or contribute to the programme but at the same time, show a marked reluctance inputting their own heads above the parapet.

Are they afraid that they too may be ridiculed? When itcomes to putting their views spontaneously on air, are they perhaps not as confident as they would wish?

It's easy to knock someone who they know will not respond but it would be interesting to see or hear the roles reversed......

Do you know how a radio programme is produced Stocky? The calls are vetted. They choose who goes on air based on whatever agenda they may have.

The overly critical amongst, and I hope i speak for others too, is that there is NO balance. Yes fine have a few nutters rant and rave on air about a game they didn't attend and make ludicrous statements based on no facts whatsoever. Yes there are a few callers who get through who make sense and are sensible, but the annoying thing is that a programme produced by the BBC in supposed neutrality is nothing of the sort.

Comparing this Forum to a produced radio programme is naive and inaccurate.

[MC Prussian]

If you heard last week's moan-in, I phoned in to make the seemingly unimportant point that we were going to play Real Madrid in (then) 54 days time and at that moment, we not only didn't even have a team, but there wasn't even a glimmer of speculation.

The 'panel' didn't seriously debate the question but asked my opinion on further speculative signings - Given and SWP. I was happy to go along with that but not at the total expense of Chris Weale.

I was a bit disappointed that my comments didn't provoke further reaction -good or bad,- in support or ridicule! on the programme itself, Bentleys or FoxesTalk.

Tonight however, there seemed to be quite a few like me who are also now becoming uneasy with our apparent lack of activity in the transfer market.

I also made the point that I considered 5million for Kyle Naughton was a bargain. When you consider that Chelski have slapped a 20million price tag on Sturridge, 5m is a snip! (I can't even visualise £20million!)

Also, this last week, the new Thai owners have set out their stall and I reckon that if we are not in a strong position looking for automatic promotion by Christmas / January, we will be looking for a new manager.

The owners don't just want us in the PL, they are looking at the Champions League in the near future and if Sven doesn't come up with the goods, then don't be surprised if....

I also asked the question as to what we were favourites for, - promotion or relegation!

Actually, Birch made the point that it is teamwork that brings success which I have also been saying for years - the sum of the parts is greater than the whole and I am in total agreement with Alan Young when he says that any player has got to want to play for Leicester - as Kyle Naughton, Cunningham and Ben Mee did.

Thoughts?

Pete, do you only phone RL to provoke a reaction?

If that is the case, what's the point in guessing about our transfer activity and creating artificial havoc, especially when other teams have done as little on the transfer front as us at this point in time.

It's still about one and a half months time until the Real Madrid friendly and we will have a good, strong side available by then. And here's me thinking the older one gets, the more relaxed one is.

We have money to spend under Sven, but dishing out £5m on Naughton alone would be financial suicide. I'd have him back on loan any day, but you can do better investment with that amount of cash.

Speculating about our position in the Championship next season in December/January and the manager's situation is just that... speculation. Don't start painting the devil on the wall already, Pete. It's way too early for that.

[Guest Col city fan]

Don't listen to em Pete... Yours is the singly most sensible post on here in ages IMO.

Spherical and Prussian the two to come right back at ya! Now there's a shock!