Mystery of WTC 7 - Conspiracy

[Rincewind]

I also believe that sometimes I can have a satirical style of writing.

[Zingari]

Well firstly I would like to see an unedited version. Rather than the one that seems to have been chopped within an inch of its life.

Secondly, you mean Tom Sullivan who (by CDI's admission) was employed as a photographer? And who only held a powder carrier (apprentice) license for one year, of which only a couple of months were spent doing the job.

Flippin heck babs , there's no pleasing you

You complain if the vids are to long , and by your own admission the last time you only watched a couple of minutes .

Now they're too fookin short and edited.

Regarding Sullivan I don't know what to believe about him( although he's pretty much echoing what Jowenko said and there's no doubting his credentials )

There does seem to be an awful lot of people that speak out against the nist report or other 911 stuff that suddenly become out of work, discredited professionally , accident prone, persona non grata , attacked , or dead .

[Zingari]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Another interesting point is that he continually changes his status on AE911.

Zing, my favourite bits of the video are near the start on preparing the building for demolition:

So, the official photographer states that elevator shafts have to be cut, the rails cut and the elevator cars removed. Now please forgive me, but it stands to reason that 95% of people in WTC 7 would use the elevators, so you'd think a few would become suspicious.

But hang on, let's take it one step further. Let's say, for arguments sake, that these people were so stupid they said "ok, the elevators are out, we'd better use the stairs". The official photographer goes on to state all the staircases have to be cut; he further points out it would need to be done on the bottom third. In respect of WTC 7, that means cutting the staircases of 15 floors. Again, you'd think someone would notice the staircases had been cut, especially when you think of how many people would be using them with the elevators out of order.

I must admit i did find that a little confusing , but the building had been evacuated for a good few hours and most of that sort of work would take place in sub street level beforehand and as Sullivan explained( he was only speculating ) , the building is still safe to work in despite much of the prepatory work already having been done

I'm not pretending to have all the answers though

[Smudge]

I haven't read all of this thread I just watched Chandler's video. A couple of observations.

The fact that the roof line is fairly horizontal wouldn't necessarily mean the the foundations and subsequent floors were parallel to the roof as it collapsed. It seems that something falling so quickly would appear to be maintaining it's form, even though the structure was collapsing somewhat unevenly.

The other point is that most of the timing evidence was from a camera purportedly recording at 30 frames per second, what if it wasn't?

I'll now get back in the Hot Celebs thread where I belong.

[Zingari]

I haven't read all of this thread I just watched Chandler's video. Just an couple of observations to Zingari.

The fact that the roof line is fairly horizontal wouldn't necessarily mean the the foundations and subsequent floors were parallel to the floor as it collapsed. It seems that something falling so quickly would appear to be maintaining it's form, even though the structure was collapsing somewhat unevenly.

The other point is that most of the timing evidence was from a camera purportedly recording at 30 frames per second, what if it wasn't?

I'll now get back in the Hot Celebs thread where I belong.

As I said to marko and Babs , I don't have all the answers , but steel buildings , regardless of free-fall , symmetry or any other characteristic of controlled demolition have never fallen down due to fire or damage .

Given that WTC 7 is the only building ever to do this , and is showing at least some , if not all the characteristics unless someone can demonstrate to me that it is possible in the real world ( not some computer assimilation we aren't allowed to see) then i'll continue to doubt that we are being told the whole truth.

This is a first in history but it seems everyone can just shrug their shoulders and pass it off as an everyday occurrence .

[Smudge]

As I said to marko and Babs , I don't have all the answers , but steel buildings , regardless of free-fall , symmetry or any other characteristic of controlled demolition have never fallen down due to fire or damage .

Given that WTC 7 is the only building ever to do this , and is showing at least some , if not all the characteristics unless someone can demonstrate to me that it is possible in the real world ( not some computer assimilation we aren't allowed to see) then i'll continue to doubt that we are being told the whole truth.

This is a first in history but it seems everyone can just shrug their shoulders and pass it off as an everyday occurrence .

Steel framed/reinforced structures do collapse during and after a severe seismic event. The fact that two towers collapsed within yards of the building would, I imagine, have put considerable stress on the foundations of WTC7 don't you think?

[Zingari]

Why is a policeman telling people to move back because the building is about to

“blow up” ?

Surely if the building is the raging inferno and so badly damaged , why would he need to tell anyone to move back

No other steel framed building had ever before totally collapsed , but this plod knows this one is going to very soon .

Who told him ? And how would they be in a position to predict a first time ever event ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_SDE0MOWQU

no doubt the feckin video is either too short or badly edited for bab's liking

and i can hear explosions , can't you ?

[Zingari]

Steel framed/reinforced structures do collapse during and after a severe seismic event. The fact that two towers collapsed within yards of the building would, I imagine, have put considerable stress on the foundations of WTC7 don't you think?

If you can show me a pic of a totally collapsed steel frame building , I ‘d be interested .

I don’t mean one that has obviously toppled over or badly damaged , I mean total destruction

As far as I’m aware , the new WTC7 is being built on some of the original caisson, so presumably it was not that badly damaged

And none of the others collapsed, why not ?

It seems only the Silverstein buildings were dropping faster than the Lord Mayors pants

[marko]

Why is a policeman telling people to move back because the building is about to

“blow up” ?

Surely if the building is the raging inferno and so badly damaged , why would he need to tell anyone to move back

No other steel framed building had ever before totally collapsed , but this plod knows this one is going to very soon .

Who told him ? And how would they be in a position to predict a first time ever event ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_SDE0MOWQU

no doubt the feckin video is either too short or badly edited for bab's liking

and i can hear explosions , can't you ?

No, I can hear a building collapsing, but definitely not the unmistakeable sound of explosives used in a controlled demolition.

Just out of interest, how many people are in on this? The police, demolition company, WTC 7 staff, US Government... and counting. That's a lot of people to keep quiet!

[Zingari]

No, I can hear a building collapsing, but definitely not the unmistakeable sound of explosives used in a controlled demolition.

Just out of interest, how many people are in on this? The police, demolition company, WTC 7 staff, US Government... and counting. That's a lot of people to keep quiet!

The web is awash with whistle blowers but they get passed off as mad or worse ,

They ain't stayin quiet , there's just not enough actually listening .

and barry jennings ( who was actually still inside ) said there were explosions

but you'll just pass it off like everything else

he didn't live long after this of course

[marko]

The web is awash with whistle blowers but they get passed off as mad or worse ,

They ain't stayin quiet , there's just not enough actually listening .

and barry jennings ( who was actually still inside ) said there were explosions

but you'll just pass it off like everything else

he didn't live long after this of course

Zing, the problem with posting all the inaccurate, unreliable and misinformed videos is that you end up defeating yourself with your own evidence.

Now, let's rewind. You posted a video in which Tom Sullivan claimed to perform a controlled demolition, you had to, amongst other things, cut the staircases of the first 15 floors of WTC 7. Now you post a video of a survivor who safely made it down from the 23rd floor of WTC 7. How can this possibly be the case? If it was a controlled demolition then the staircase MUST have been cut meaning Barry Jennings' descent would have been impossible. Yet we know he did make this descent which rules out a controlled demolition.

I'm afraid you can't have it both ways.

You also neglect to mention Barry Jennings was ill in hospital a couple of days before his unfortunate death.

[Zingari]

Zing, the problem with posting all the inaccurate, unreliable and misinformed videos is that you end up defeating yourself with your own evidence.

Now, let's rewind. You posted a video in which Tom Sullivan claimed to perform a controlled demolition, you had to, amongst other things, cut the staircases of the first 15 floors of WTC 7. Now you post a video of a survivor who safely made it down from the 23rd floor of WTC 7. How can this possibly be the case? If it was a controlled demolition then the staircase MUST have been cut meaning Barry Jennings' descent would have been impossible. Yet we know he did make this descent which rules out a controlled demolition.

I'm afraid you can't have it both ways.

You also neglect to mention Barry Jennings was ill in hospital a couple of days before his unfortunate death.

As I said before Sullivan was speculating, as to how the building “could” have been demolished not how it actually was,

I'm sure there are many ways to control a demolition ( random fires and damage is not one of them)

But typically you’ve chosen to totally ignore Jennings quite clearly say there were huge explosions in the building before the collapse of 1 and 2

He should know , he was there !

[marko]

As I said before Sullivan was speculating, as to how the building “could” have been demolished not how it actually was,

I'm sure there are many ways to control a demolition ( random fires and damage is not one of them)

But typically you’ve chosen to totally ignore Jennings quite clearly say there were huge explosions in the building before the collapse of 1 and 2

He should know , he was there !

Yes, he did. He also later amended a lot of his initial statement. Remember this?!

Well i'm sorry, you didn't say Sullivan was speculating a couple of pages ago, you categorically stated his drivel had - and correct me if i've misquoted you - "all your answers" about how a controlled demolition was performed on WTC 7. There was no question or implication of speculation in your post.

Another thing that never fails to amaze me is how the conspiracy theorists accept versions of events that contradict and blow holes in each other.

[Smudge]

This is like pushing a piece of string.

[Ozwin]

You lot bloody love this conspiracy theory don't you?

[Zingari]

Yes, he did. He also later amended a lot of his initial statement. Remember this?!

Well i'm sorry, you didn't say Sullivan was speculating a couple of pages ago, you categorically stated his drivel had - and correct me if i've misquoted you - "all your answers" about how a controlled demolition was performed on WTC 7. There was no question or implication of speculation in your post.

Another thing that never fails to amaze me is how the conspiracy theorists accept versions of events that contradict and blow holes in each other.

I said , if you remember , that he could explain why there were no cables and how it could have been rigged etc , that is all , I even told you were to look for that single piece of information .

I didn’t mean to imply he had all the answers for the whole collapse or sequence of events for the whole day , just the answers that I was being asked at the time.

FEMA could only give an explanation with a low probability of occurrence

But if you would sooner believe that steel buildings can drop faster than the Lord Mayor’s trousers that’s fine

But I’d really love someone to prove in the real world .

Let’s see a practical demonstration of a single column collapse causing total collapse .

You believe NIST's version?

Well prove it

Get an old meccanno set and make a model of a building and make this model collapse by cutting a few beams and setting it on fire , and then post it onto youtube

It’s only simple physics common sense that it can happen isn’t it?

There are plenty of experts doubting the official story , where are the experts prepared to demonstrate practically a steel frame collapse ?

oh yes you'll hear plenty of experts theorizing how it "could" happen , well what i want is someone to fookin well show me!

[Rincewind]

You could get one of those toys/games with sticks or wooden bricks and remove them one at a time until it collapse. I bet there are numerous combinations when it collapse.

I forget the name of the game.

[BoneDog]

I've got to catch up on this thread later but for now there is a very good video on this link. Not sure if it's already in the thread. I couldn't find a Youtube link for the video.

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh0d597TB75tv1J7lR

[Guest nathan.]

Its obvious it was controlled and to blame it on office fire

The annoying thing is it will never come out people just find it to far fetched and crazy to believe

[BoneDog]

I think that the truth will come out one day and if I'm still alive I'll put my Jesus cap on and high five my Grandma and say "yeahhhh Grandma we told them crazy fools!"

And then I'll collect my winnings from the bets I've had with all my other family members who are in the lunatic fringe and believe the official story.

[Zingari]

I think that the truth will come out one day and if I'm still alive I'll put my Jesus cap on and high five my Grandma and say "yeahhhh Grandma we told them crazy fools!"

And then I'll collect my winnings from the bets I've had with all my other family members who are in the lunatic fringe and believe the official story.

Sorry to disappoint you Empty , but I'm still waiting for the truth of the JFK assassination to come out after nearly 50 years .

It seems too many would rather believe in magic than think they can just have been fooled.

[Zingari]

Its obvious it was controlled and to blame it on office fire

The annoying thing is it will never come out people just find it to far fetched and crazy to believe

Quite so ! possibly it's just too damn obvious .

You could get one of those toys/games with sticks or wooden bricks and remove them one at a time until it collapse. I bet there are numerous combinations when it collapse.

I forget the name of the game.

Presumably this is satire .

[OzFox]

I think that the truth will come out one day and if I'm still alive I'll put my Jesus cap on and high five my Grandma and say "yeahhhh Grandma we told them crazy fools!"

And then I'll collect my winnings from the bets I've had with all my other family members who are in the lunatic fringe and believe the official story.

I'd love to be over at the Empty's for sunday lunch. Would be highly entertaining.

Has it ever crossed your mind that the lunatic fringe might, just might, be the rational majority?

[Zingari]

Where did the molten steel come from ?

Office fires?

What will it take to convince people that Gross and NIST have been lying ?

Molten steel = explosives / RDX / Thermate or some other cause , NOT office fires or flying debris

[21st Century Fox]

Zing get your popcorn ready!!!

Hollywood is to court controversy with a film that will challenge the official version of the events of 9/11, a previously taboo topic for the industry mainstream. Martin Sheen, Woody Harrelson and Ed Asner, who have all supported conspiracy theories about the terrorist attacks, have signed up to the movie, which is entitled September Morn.

Styling itself as a drama in the tradition of Twelve Angry Men, the film's advance publicity note hints at a cover-up, saying: "We the people demand that the government revisit and initiates a thorough and independent investigation to the tragic events of 911."

Details of the film, which is to be directed by BJ Davis and written by Howard Cohen, are expected to be revealed at an American Film Market conference in Los Angeles next week, Deadline.com reported.

The production has been set up by Fleur de Lis Film Studios, which has also made the documentary A Noble Lie, about the Oklahoma City bombing, and Operation: Dark Heart, a feature based on an intelligence agent's memoirs.

Until now Hollywood has steered clear of claims that the Bush administration, or other elements in the government, may have been behind the 9/11 attacks, in which hijacked passenger planes crashed into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennslyvania. The fourth plane was apparently en route to the Capitol.

Oliver Stone, who has challenged official history in JFK and other films, steered clear of conspiracy theories in his 2006 film World Trade Center, which focused on the heroism of police and rescuers.

September Morn has assembled a cast linked to the so-called truther movement, which alleges official inconsistencies, complicity and cover-up.

Sheen, who starred in Apocalypse Now and television's The West Wing, has long questioned whether Islamist hijackers single-handedly brought down the Twin Towers, killing 2,605 people.

"I did not want to believe that my government could possibly be involved in such a thing, I could not live in a country that I thought could do that – that would be the ultimate betrayal," he told an interviewer in 2007.

Sheen grew suspicious after his son Charlie, also an actor, alerted him to apparent contradictions, such as how a structure known as "Building 7" fell.

He said: "However, there have been so many revelations that now I have my doubts, and chief among them is Building 7 – how did they rig that building so that it came down on the evening of the day?"

Asner, who has won seven Emmys, has several times urged a new investigation into 9/11. In 2010, he told an interviewer: "This country – which is the greatest, strongest country that ever existed in the world, in terms of power – supposedly had a defence that could not be penetrated all these years. But all of that was eradicated by 19 Saudi Arabians, supposedly. Some of whom didn't even know how to fly."

Harrelson, who starred recently in The Hunger Games, has also supported the self-styled 9/11 truth movement.

September Morn is also the name of a Neil Diamond album and a painting by the French artist Paul Émile Chabas which hangs in New York's Metropolitan Musuem of Art.