The Doctor Posted 4 October 2011 Posted 4 October 2011 LargeAl - Quantum mechanics is a grade A mindfvck, isn't it? But at the moment we don't have any better idea about how stuff acts at the atomic and subatomic level...seeing as we can't really observe it due to that other complete barsteward Heisenberg... the uncertainty principle? As far as I can see, if something makes something alive & dead at the same time and it's impossible to observe anything with certainty then we might want to just sweep it under the rug and pretend that this stuff never happened...
leicsmac Posted 4 October 2011 Posted 4 October 2011 the uncertainty principle? As far as I can see, if something makes something alive & dead at the same time and it's impossible to observe anything with certainty then we might want to just sweep it under the rug and pretend that this stuff never happened... The problem with observing anything below a certain size is that the wavelength of visible light is too long to resolve it and make it visible to us to see...and if we try to use light of a shorter wavelength (X-rays etc) they have much more energy which is then transmitted to the particle you're trying to observe, so it changes position. This is why you can't observe a particle at rest as the sheer act of putting light on it to observe it will cause it to move. As for waveparticle duality - it's only light that acts that way (unless you ramp the energy levels right up), not anything with mass. Still the idea of photons being in infinite places at once until they are observed is still pretty messed up.
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 4 October 2011 Posted 4 October 2011 Not sure if you have similar but here, you are able to go and study a trade one day a week at Tafe as part of your curriculum in years 9-12 (14-18 year olds) or you can leave school entirely where you go to TAFE (Technical and further education) to study/learn a trade where you spend 2 days a week getting your year 10 so doing Maths and English mainly. 1 day a week with an employer and 2 days a week studying that Trade....or similar to that.....Then it makes it easier for the students to get an Apprenticship as they have there minmum year 10 schooling plus already a basic level level of competency in that trade.
jonthefox Posted 4 October 2011 Posted 4 October 2011 My sons 12 , and the he is just not ready for the 'real' world. Bad idea.
Phube Posted 4 October 2011 Posted 4 October 2011 My sons 12 , and the he is just not ready for the 'real' world. Bad idea. Therefore, not 14...? I'm confused...
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 4 October 2011 Posted 4 October 2011 Therefore, not 14...? I'm confused... By 14 the only thing a boy is ready for is a shag, by 14 the only thing a girl is ready for is to be moody because of period pains. They generally arent ready for work and all that shite by then!!!
Phube Posted 4 October 2011 Posted 4 October 2011 By 14 the only thing a boy is ready for is a shag, by 14 the only thing a girl is ready for is to be moody because of period pains. They generally arent ready for work and all that shite by then!!! And yet it worked for a whole generation of people (my Dad's generation (born 40's-60's).
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 4 October 2011 Posted 4 October 2011 And yet it worked for a whole generation of people (my Dad's generation (born 40's-60's). True and to a degree i agree, but life expectancy is much longer now and i just think adding a few more thousand / million? to the dole queue would be a mistake
Rincewind Posted 4 October 2011 Posted 4 October 2011 In my grandas generation kids had a choice the coal mines or the coal mines (sometimes the docks depending on where they lived) but where are the coal mines and dockyards? I am sure there will be some employers willing to take on sub-18 year olds paying minimum or below wages to avoid paying above minmum wages to over 40's with families who find themselves out of work after redundancy. But if they raise the dole for over 50's I'll be all for the youngsters to have a chance to start on their 55 years of work experience early. I've done my bit. I want a world cruise paid by the state.
acooling08 Posted 4 October 2011 Posted 4 October 2011 If I was allowed out of school at 14, I'd have taken it, got no qualifications, and be a no-hoper claiming benefits my whole life. Education needs to stay compulsory till 16 at least.
The Doctor Posted 4 October 2011 Posted 4 October 2011 If I was allowed out of school at 14, I'd have taken it, got no qualifications, and be a no-hoper claiming benefits my whole life. Education needs to stay compulsory till 16 at least. As opposed to leaving school at 16 with no qualifications? And I wouldn't say stuck on benefits - this country needs a continual stream of morons to write shows for ITV.
Guest MattP Posted 4 October 2011 Posted 4 October 2011 If I was allowed out of school at 14, I'd have taken it, got no qualifications, and be a no-hoper claiming benefits my whole life. Education needs to stay compulsory till 16 at least. Was thinking about this today and I might have been the same, the most significent development in my education was comfortably between 14-18, I actually stopped behaving like a prat and started to enjoy learning, it would of been a travesty had I gone at 14 looking back and I dread to think what I might have turned out like. I started learning about geography properly around the age of 14, this gave me the pelasure of sitting a home for hours with an atlas that encouraged me to travel a lot of the world, I found John Grisham from an English lesson at 16 and have read all his books since which has given a keen interest in everything about a legal system, I started to learn how to design websites around the age of 18 in my spare time that enables me to work on my own things now. I'm not sure about this at all, all we seem to have done over the last 15 years in society is lower the bar and I think this is probably a continuation of it. I'd need to see some serious benefits before allowing children out of an education system before they have even begun to grow into responsible adults.
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