marbelladave Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 Yeah Gally, Wellens or Danns could, but I can't see Sven doing it Gally for me has technical ability but is too lightweight to be a favourite of mine, Wellens ability to pass and retain posession make him an essential LCFC player, but at the bottom of any diamond if we play with a diamond. Danns has not impressed me to think he is the difference, but it's still early. King seems to pop up every now and then with a goal, but what does he actually do? He seems to be the new Gareth Williams, undoubted ability, but he is the invisible man. Id love to see 1 or 2 players who took on their man like Aaron Lennon does. Now I'm not stupid enough to suggest that we are going to sign Lennon before I get shot at , but a player with a different idea than to pass the opposition asleep. A decent cross would be a nice change of pace! It just seems that all of our players have only 2 thoughts when in posession, pass or hoof. I do like hitting the channels early, I do like our strikers determination and willingness to close down defeneders, there are many positives to our play! Attacking wise we are predictable in posession, we need a Izzett type to unlock a defense in the way we are playing at present & I do not see that we have have him in the squad. I'd love to see width and crosses or pace, as I said, then we would be dangerous In order, Sven has to do something, so why not?...... Playing Wellens at the base of the diamond is, for me, the worst possible position for him, poor defensively he trys to 'quarterback' the game from deep and is just hopeless at it. I know you disagree but for me, he is only worth his place in the side if he plays well forward and uses his passing skills to play in our forward players. Give our strikers some decent ball to work with. Wingers would be great but we don't have any and i am not sre that more players is the answer. We need to get our set up and tactics sorted first.
Bangkok Mick Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 To quote an old cliche` the league table doesn`t lie. We are in an average position largely due to average performances from average championship players. we play a nice possession game in areas of the pitch that don`t hurt the opoosition. We are not dynamic or threatening enough up front, we do not up the tempo when we get near the box, we usually have no width, we do not have a captain who is a leader, or any other real leaders and we have no playmaker. I think the team has the potential to play well (e.g. Derby game) but they will need to gel soon to have any realistic chance of the play offs. As they have stated the Thai owners No.1 objective is the premiership, nothing less will do. At this point they must have their concerns.
Kilworthfox Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 In order, Sven has to do something, so why not?...... Playing Wellens at the base of the diamond is, for me, the worst possible position for him, poor defensively he trys to 'quarterback' the game from deep and is just hopeless at it. I know you disagree but for me, he is only worth his place in the side if he plays well forward and uses his passing skills to play in our forward players. Give our strikers some decent ball to work with. Wingers would be great but we don't have any and i am not sre that more players is the answer. We need to get our set up and tactics sorted first. I agree, I think he should do something, maybe scrap the diamond! Why not try Dyer on left wing, Keep Danns on right then Wellens & Fernandes in centre? I disagree haha, but Wellens for me could play anywhere, I believe he is better than you say defensively, but thats another discussion. Well Dyer is a winger, hes not a favourite of mine, but everyone deserves a chance, all our midfielders are very similar in that, they are all too naturally central & not wide men. I do keep on about width, but we dont have much as it is. I do not think Watford will be much of a test & 3 points is definately what is needed against them, if we can dominate the midfield similar to the Derby game then a change of tactic in this game may not be benefitial?
marbelladave Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 C - Must do better. Are you refering to the team's performance or the quality of the thread?......
Stay Positive Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 Let's not lose sight of the fact that, though 13th, we are only 2 points away from the play-off positions, and would be in them if it weren't for some inept decisions by the ref at Forest. Not only that, we're still only 5 points from the automatic places. It's far from disastrous. I am a tad concerned about the loss of Mills for 3 games though...
Babylon Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 Are you refering to the team's performance or the quality of the thread?...... Performance.
marbelladave Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 I agree, I think he should do something, maybe scrap the diamond! Why not try Dyer on left wing, Keep Danns on right then Wellens & Fernandes in centre? I disagree haha, but Wellens for me could play anywhere, I believe he is better than you say defensively, but thats another discussion. Well Dyer is a winger, hes not a favourite of mine, but everyone deserves a chance, all our midfielders are very similar in that, they are all too naturally central & not wide men. I do keep on about width, but we dont have much as it is. I do not think Watford will be much of a test & 3 points is definately what is needed against them, if we can dominate the midfield similar to the Derby game then a change of tactic in this game may not be benefitial? I don't really think that it is about the formation as much as our attitude and tactics, just contrast the performance in the last two games, same players, same positions but totally different games. The runners from midfield that were so instrumental in our good play against Derby were missing on sunday, Fernandes and Danns appeared to be forbidden from getting into the final third and with King playing slightly deeper as he did against Derby there was no one to support the strikers. It would be good to have some wingers but if they were given onerous defensive duties (as they were under NFP for example) then I don't really see the point.....
marbelladave Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 Performance. You're a very generous man..... A definite F for me.
Babylon Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 I don't really think that it is about the formation as much as our attitude and tactics, just contrast the performance in the last two games, same players, same positions but totally different games. The runners from midfield that were so instrumental in our good play against Derby were missing on sunday, Fernandes and Danns appeared to be forbidden from getting into the final third and with King playing slightly deeper as he did against Derby there was no one to support the strikers. It would be good to have some wingers but if they were given onerous defensive duties (as they were under NFP for example) then I don't really see the point..... Brums wingers tucked in to combat our four in midfield, where as Derby I think left people wide and tried to get down out flanks (without success) but that left more room/time in the middle for us to exploit any gaps.
Guest MattP Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 Woah. Sorry what? I pissed myself when I read that. If you like your full backs consistently out of position, missing tackles and hoofing crosses into the crowd I suppose he was quality.
Babylon Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 If you like your full backs consistently out of position, missing tackles and hoofing crosses into the crowd I suppose he was quality. My favourite kind of player.
marbelladave Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 Brums wingers tucked in to combat our four in midfield, where as Derby I think left people wide and tried to get down out flanks (without success) but that left more room/time in the middle for us to exploit any gaps. Burke in particular was pretty combative but for me the primary issue was the failure of Fernandes and Danns to get forward. They played as if they were given instructions to 'hold' in midfield, so as a result there were no runners to hit. Vassell and Nugent were getting isolated as early as the 30 minute mark. First half we had loads of possesion but the lack of any support for our strikers, from Fernandes and Danns, left us playing long balls over the top or into the channels. Birmingham were never troubled by this and It just left our strikers frustrated and pretty fed up.
l444ry Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 Can't help but agree with this blogger to be honest. http://thegamesgonecrazy.blogspot.com/2011/10/hoow-long-before-leicester-flat-pack.html
Babylon Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 Can't help but agree with this blogger to be honest. http://thegamesgonecrazy.blogspot.com/2011/10/hoow-long-before-leicester-flat-pack.html Coming from the fan of a team who have only played two of the top 8 and failed to beat any of them.
l444ry Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 Coming from the fan of a team who have only played two of the top 8 and failed to beat any of them. Take it you don't agree with the messenger then, Babylon? Wish it was City who were second in the table with the dismal record West Ham have!
Guest MattP Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 Coming from the fan of a team who have only played two of the top 8 and failed to beat any of them. They have played shit and are 2nd. What on earth does that say about us?
Babylon Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 Take it you don't agree with the messenger then, Babylon? Wish it was City who were second in the table with the dismal record West Ham have! Sorry, where did I say they had a dismal record? I'm pointing out we have had much harder games than they have so far going off the league table.
Babylon Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 They have played shit and are 2nd. What on earth does that say about us? That we have had harder games? That we aren't a team full of premier league players? That we aren't as good? Take your pick.
Houdini Logic Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 Birmingham away, where most of us would have been happy with a draw, and we were largely the better team and playing well. Birmingham were there for the taking but we had a couple of moments of madness and it cost us the game - could have easily been the other way round or happened to any team, any league, any time. For me it's not something to worry about - pick up, move on and win the next two (winable) games and we're right back in it - we're only 2 points off the play offs as it stands.
Babylon Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 Birmingham away, where most of us would have been happy with a draw, and we were largely the better team and playing well. Birmingham were there for the taking but we had a couple of moments of madness and it cost us the game - could have easily been the other way round or happened to any team, any league, any time. For me it's not something to worry about - pick up, move on and win the next two (winable) games and we're right back in it - we're only 2 points off the play offs as it stands. Indeed, whilst we were poor this one goes down as "one of them games" for me. The next 2/3 we need results no doubt, with the two blips at home early on we can't afford many more if we want to stay in touch.
Raj Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 If Brum would have played midweek Euro game,we'd have had em. Mind you if me mum was me aunt then me uncle would have been me Dad..... I'll be back on Thursday....
l444ry Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 Birmingham away, where most of us would have been happy with a draw, and we were largely the better team and playing well. Birmingham were there for the taking but we had a couple of moments of madness and it cost us the game - could have easily been the other way round or happened to any team, any league, any time. For me it's not something to worry about - pick up, move on and win the next two (winable) games and we're right back in it - we're only 2 points off the play offs as it stands. Having possession and passing negatively in areas that didn't hurt the opposition (again!!!) is hardly my definition of "better team". Their keeper could have had a picnic in his area for all the threat we carried. The worrying thing is that an average outfit like Birmingham can force City to play like that, where is the case for optimism?
Raj Posted 17 October 2011 Posted 17 October 2011 To be fair i cant remember the Brum GK making a save...Did he???
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