norfolkfox222 Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Evening. I dont post much on here but after travelling 3 hours to and from todays disaster ive felt i had to get my point out there. We will not get out of this division by playing without any wingers. How ever many years has it been since we have had a proper out and out left and right winger on the pitch at the same time?? I honestly cant remember. It seems to be the same problem with every single manager we have had in the last 5 / 6 years.. None of them seem to address the problem.. When Dyer came on today he and Konchesky made some smart moves going forward.. Possibly the only positive i can take out of todays game... On the right Peltier did well getting forward but had no support... I know Dyers final ball isnt good enough but his pace and his link up play with Konchesky worked in part... Get the same on both flanks and we could create so many chances we could/should storm up the league.. This isnt a anti sven pole or anything like that but just interested to see what every1 thinks needs to be done to put it right? keep the faith
dannythefox Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Evening. I dont post much on here but after travelling 3 hours to and from todays disaster ive felt i had to get my point out there. We will not get out of this division by playing without any wingers. How ever many years has it been since we have had a proper out and out left and right winger on the pitch at the same time?? I honestly cant remember. It seems to be the same problem with every single manager we have had in the last 5 / 6 years.. None of them seem to address the problem.. When Dyer came on today he and Konchesky made some smart moves going forward.. Possibly the only positive i can take out of todays game... On the right Peltier did well getting forward but had no support... I know Dyers final ball isnt good enough but his pace and his link up play with Konchesky worked in part... Get the same on both flanks and we could create so many chances we could/should storm up the league.. This isnt a anti sven pole or anything like that but just interested to see what every1 thinks needs to be done to put it right? keep the faith Alan Young says no one plays with wingers these days! But i agree with you mate.
BlueSi13 Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Alan Young says no one plays with wingers these days! But i agree with you mate. Talking out of his arse. Some Obvious winger examples off the top of my head: Young, Nani, Valencia, Giggs, Downing, Walcott, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Arshavin, Johnson, Milner, Lennon, Bale, Van der Vaart, Rose, Mata. Really can't be bothered to think off more...the point he was making was a shocking one.
dannythefox Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Talking out of his arse. Some Obvious winger examples off the top of my head: Young, Nani, Valencia, Giggs, Downing, Walcott, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Arshavin, Johnson, Milner, Lennon, Bale, Van der Vaart, Rose, Mata. Really can't be bothered to think off more...the point he was making was a shocking one. Couldnt believe he was serious! funny though
DanTheFox07 Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 totally agree, sven has invested far too much in cm`s and we have no wingers apart from gallagher and dyer! I want to see us go in for kebe in jan! he is deffo the sort of player we need here!
Schlupp Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Wingers aren't apart of the modern game anymore silly
Trav Le Bleu Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Talking out of his arse. Some Obvious winger examples off the top of my head: Young, Nani, Valencia, Giggs, Downing, Walcott, Oxlaide-Chamberlain, Arshavin, Johnson, Milner, Lennon, Bale, Van der Vaart, Rose, Mata. Really can't be bothered to think off more...the point he was making was a shocking one. Versatile attacking mid - winger - wingback - used to be a winger, not got the pace nowadays - winger - pacey attacking midfielder who comes central too much to be a winger - winger, rarely used - again another versatile attacking mid - winger - winger - winger out of favour - wingback cum winger - versatile attacking mid - wingback - assuming you mean the one who plays for Chelsea, winger, but rarely used. So 4 out and out wingers currently playing regular as wingers.
Kitchandro Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Versatile attacking mid - winger - wingback - used to be a winger, not got the pace nowadays - winger - pacey attacking midfielder who comes central too much to be a winger - winger, rarely used - again another versatile attacking mid - winger - winger - winger out of favour - wingback cum winger - versatile attacking mid - wingback - assuming you mean the one who plays for Chelsea, winger, but rarely used. So 4 out and out wingers currently playing regular as wingers. Apart from Arshavin, who I think is an attacking midfielder, and Rose who I confess to knowing little about, I'd say all the rest are definitely wingers. Anyway I'm not sure how any of this is an argument against us needing one, because it's very clear that we do.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Apart from Arshavin, who I think is an attacking midfielder, and Rose who I confess to knowing little about, I'd say all the rest are definitely wingers. Anyway I'm not sure how any of this is an argument against us needing one, because it's very clear that we do. I'm saying people don't know what a winger is, so how do they know we need them? And by winger I mean someone who hugs the sidelines and rarely strays inside. I would agree we need more width - but wingers? Never used them under MoN.
Bugg Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Dyer played well but proved that he can't cross for shit today, I agree we should have bought a couple of wingers in the Summer to mix things up a bit (Like we did today, but it just didn't happen)
Swalker Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 But you can't accomadate for every role on the pitch because you only have 11 places available. If you play with wingers then you probably wont play with wing backs because there isn't the space and probably won't play with CAM's and CDM's
tickler28 Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Do you guys realize that apart from konchesky, dyer and Berner no one else at the club is left footed ( apart from maybe fat ball). Is this helping matters? Hell I'd settle for a left midfielder instead of Central Midfilders playing out of position!
Bugg Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Do you guys realize that apart from konchesky, dyer and Berner no one else at the club is left footed ( apart from maybe fat ball). Is this helping matters? Hell I'd settle for a left midfielder instead of Central Midfilders playing out of position! Weale is left footed, I reckon he could do a job on the left wing
dannythefox Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Dyer played well but proved that he can't cross for shit today, I agree we should have bought a couple of wingers in the Summer to mix things up a bit (Like we did today, but it just didn't happen) The first four were right in the box i counted them there was no one there because beckford was subed!
dannythefox Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 I think Peltier would make a good winger. Not fast enough he proved that today when he held up the game about 8times!
Swalker Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Danns is a natural winger, Dyer gets by his man well but his final ball is awful. That's it for wingers really for us except Gally
Bugg Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 The first four were right in the box i counted them there was no one there because beckford was subed! You mean Beckford who everyone seemed glad to have off the pitch because he was playing poorly? Who would you have subbed off instead then since it was like playing with 10 men when Beckford was on the pitch. His crosses are shite, they always have been and always will be, just cause they were in the box doesn't mean they weren't shite as they hit a defender every time.
rhett_72 Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 perhaps when Gallagher is fit again things will tick a little better going foreward. i know he is not a natural winger but he does have some invention about him and can provide us with some width. but agreed we do need some someone better than dyer. i'm not too worried yet, but sven should be, these foreign owners are not renowned for their patience.
funkyrobot Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 I'm saying people don't know what a winger is, so how do they know we need them? And by winger I mean someone who hugs the sidelines and rarely strays inside. I would agree we need more width - but wingers? Never used them under MoN. Never used wingers under MoN? What about Steve Guppy??
Kitchandro Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 I'm saying people don't know what a winger is, so how do they know we need them? And by winger I mean someone who hugs the sidelines and rarely strays inside. I would agree we need more width - but wingers? Never used them under MoN. People do know what a winger is, you are clearly in the minority that doesn't and that's why you can't understand what we're talking about. Yeh they do generally hug the sidelines but can be effective coming inside as well. Wingers are suited to being wide men - 'wide men' and 'wingers' are not 2 different types of player because wide man is just a position, not a type of player. Vassell and Gallagher are often used as wide men but they are not wingers by trade. Why is it all about MoN? And yes we did, Guppy was a winger.
dannythefox Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 You mean Beckford who everyone seemed glad to have off the pitch because he was playing poorly? Who would you have subbed off instead then since it was like playing with 10 men when Beckford was on the pitch. His crosses are shite, they always have been and always will be, just cause they were in the box doesn't mean they weren't shite as they hit a defender every time. They were not shit they were near the back post were beckford would of been but because vassell was on pitch he was running round somewhere else! they did not hit a defender i did see! i no his crossing isnt great but there was nothing wrong with the first four balls he put in.
Kitchandro Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 But you can't accomadate for every role on the pitch because you only have 11 places available. If you play with wingers then you probably wont play with wing backs because there isn't the space and probably won't play with CAM's and CDM's What about the bench? As we saw today, Dyer (a winger) brought us a different dimension. The problem with him is he isn't consitantly good enough for us, so I would have wanted someone who is. If we had a winger I'd play 4-3-3, I think last season showed we can play nice attacking football with that system. We could still keep the same back 4, have 3 midfielders - 2 creative and Fernandes holding (the lack of a holding midfielder was a big factor in conceding too many goals last season, but now we've over-compensated with more than one midfielder sitting deep and negative tactics), with a central striker a winger on one side and Gally/another winger on the other side.
Kitchandro Posted 22 October 2011 Posted 22 October 2011 Danns is a natural winger, Dyer gets by his man well but his final ball is awful. That's it for wingers really for us except Gally I disagree, I don't think he was a winger for Palace, more a roaming attacking midfielder. He's tricky but not really that quick. I agree about Dyer to some extent, but he's rarely as positive as he was today, when he is he does beat his man well yes. Gallagher isn't a winger either but is most competent at playing the wide role in the squad, I'd be happy for him (once back to form of course) to play on the left of a front 3 and cut inside, IF we could get a real winger on the other side.
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