TMELcfc Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 Newish here, so don't crucify me, but am I the only one worried that Martin O'Neill could return and if things do not work out for him, is there any hope for any manager here?! And if MON does return and it goes wrong, will our 'fickle' fans turn on him as well? I do not want to see his heroic status vanish, although it would be a massive lift for the place. I actually agree that the timing is right, results have not been good, especially at home. The earlier the better in my opinion, but should we leave the O'Neill era in the past and move on? Or am I really the only one that thinks that
Legend_in_blue Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 The callers on the radio this morning are deluded. Everyone on the "when a manager returns they never do as well" bandwagon has not given a single reason why this is so. They just make this random statement and don't back it up with anything. The players need a kick up the backside. MON would provide this and literally dissect his players on a personal level to get the best out of them. The top three men for the job is an easy list to compile, despite all the names being banded about. 1 MON 2 Hughes 3 Davies Simple.
TMELcfc Posted 25 October 2011 Author Posted 25 October 2011 Agree with everything you have said... however, I still have a doubt in the back of my mind. I think Martin is my preferred choice however. Now to sit back and see what happens I guess...
The Doctor Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 Does anyone really know the reasons for the second time around not being as good as the first though? All we see is record in first spell against record in second spell and usually the second record is inferior.
Bilo Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 MON's career has gone on an upwards trajectory since leaving us. Absolute domination of Scottish football at Celtic with Rangers not getting a look in, setting records along the way. He was revered at Parkhead and left only to care for his wife. When he returned two years later with Villa, his impact was immediate. They went on a long unbeaten run, threatening the Champions League places for a while. They then went on to achieve three consecutive top six finishes with regular European forays. In his last full season, in spite of his team being relatively poorly funded, Villa finished just three points behind mega rich Man City and six outside the Champions League places. He knew what he was doing in the Endsleigh First Division in 1996, the SPL in 2000 and the Premiership in 2010. There's no reason to assume we'll be too big a task.
fox_in_the_box_8 Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 I know what u mean, given his time at villa and interesting exit, and time out of the game is he really the right man? I'm not convinced he has the personality to deal with the pre madonnas that football is filled with. Certainly given our ambition and money available you have to expect that's what the new manager will have to deal with. I do think we need a level headed guy, some consistency, and MON definitely offers that, but I think Hughes is the better option
WardyisPukka Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 MON isnt going to come back and if you're wise enough u wudnt want him to come back!! a prime example of it ending badly twice! KEEGAN AT NEWCASTLE! now shut up MON bummers!! Di Matteo is the only credible candidate for this job at the moment with promotion experience
Thracian Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 Can't see the basis for the argument. a) MON doesn't have much to improve on as far as our managerial history is concerned over the last umpteen years. b) He's a disciple of Brian Clough and Clough was a master at getting people to do specific jobs simply and effectively. MON will work to that formula and with his contacts and reputation there's no reason to imagine it wouldn't work. MON left here because there wasn't the backing to take the job further. I can well imagine he'd like to finish that job and emulate his old mentor by making "something out of nothing."
Fox92 Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 I'd say every Leicester City fan wants Martin back, and I think his name will always be around when there is a vacancy at the club. I cannot realistically see it happening though, and if it doesn't, there are many managers that could do the job; Billy Davies and Dave Jones both know how to get teams out of the division. Then you can look at League 1; both Lee Clark and Karl Robnson have done brilliant jobs at Huddersfield and MK Dons. The owners won't go for that though. They will want a 'big name' (to sell the club in other countries I suppose), and that is something I slightly worry about. Does anyone really know the reasons for the second time around not being as good as the first though? I don't really buy that either. Kenny Dalglish hasn't done too bad and it is his second spell in charge of Liverpool.
l444ry Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 I'd say every Leicester City fan wants Martin back, and I think his name will always be around when there is a vacancy at the club. I cannot realistically see it happening though, and if it doesn't, there are many managers that could do the job; Billy Davies and Dave Jones both know how to get teams out of the division. Then you can look at League 1; both Lee Clark and Karl Robnson have done brilliant jobs at Huddersfield and MK Dons. The owners won't go for that though. They will want a 'big name' (to sell the club in other countries I suppose), and that is something I slightly worry about. I don't really buy that either. Kenny Dalglish hasn't done too bad and it is his second spell in charge of Liverpool. Or Tony Pulis at Stoke.
Corky Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 I don't really buy that either. Kenny Dalglish hasn't done too bad and it is his second spell in charge of Liverpool. Spent a lot of money and isn't exactly setting the league on fire.
tomtom Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 MON isnt going to come back and if you're wise enough u wudnt want him to come back!! a prime example of it ending badly twice! KEEGAN AT NEWCASTLE! now shut up MON bummers!! Di Matteo is the only credible candidate for this job at the moment with promotion experience But keegan was and is a poor manager , to compare him to MON is ridiculous and shows how little you know about football ! Dalglish is doing ok 2nd time round and anyway forget what he's done here before and go for the best man available , if its MON so be it , if it's not it's not
TMELcfc Posted 25 October 2011 Author Posted 25 October 2011 I think that the Martin O'Neill thing is a long shot in all honesty... I hope he comes out and says something within the next couple of days, so we know whether he would consider it or not.
Corky Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 But keegan was and is a poor manager , to compare him to MON is ridiculous and shows how little you know about football ! Dalglish is doing ok 2nd time round and anyway forget what he's done here before and go for the best man available , if its MON so be it , if it's not it's not Keegan's finished in the top three of the Premier League three times. That's just poor.
foxoffderby Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 What if he can? The glass is half empy with too many people on here. At Liverpool for example the return of King Kenny as bought optimism among the scousers beyond belief look at all the flags and how happy they are. People are to worried about him losing legendery status here (MON) but they don't seem to worried about that at Liverpool. If MON does come here and it doesn't work out he will still be a legend and part of our history, you can't change what he achieved first time around. I think theres still some part of MON that wants to finnish the job. Fans like me also feel what might of happened if he'd been given the money Taylor had first time around. I really think we were on the cusp of something special. I hope the owners listen to the majority of fans and go after MON with everything they've got and really make him feel wanted enough to say we want you as Leicester City Manager and don't let history be a factor.
samuel Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 I'd say every Leicester City fan wants Martin back, and I think his name will always be around when there is a vacancy at the club. I cannot realistically see it happening though, and if it doesn't, there are many managers that could do the job; Billy Davies and Dave Jones both know how to get teams out of the division. Then you can look at League 1; both Lee Clark and Karl Robnson have done brilliant jobs at Huddersfield and MK Dons. The owners won't go for that though. They will want a 'big name' (to sell the club in other countries I suppose), and that is something I slightly worry about. I don't really buy that either. Kenny Dalglish hasn't done too bad and it is his second spell in charge of Liverpool. League One managers are not the way forward......
somebum Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 MON's career has gone on an upwards trajectory since leaving us. Absolute domination of Scottish football at Celtic with Rangers not getting a look in, setting records along the way. He was revered at Parkhead and left only to care for his wife. When he returned two years later with Villa, his impact was immediate. They went on a long unbeaten run, threatening the Champions League places for a while. They then went on to achieve three consecutive top six finishes with regular European forays. In his last full season, in spite of his team being relatively poorly funded, Villa finished just three points behind mega rich Man City and six outside the Champions League places. He knew what he was doing in the Endsleigh First Division in 1996, the SPL in 2000 and the Premiership in 2010. There's no reason to assume we'll be too big a task. Nope, Rangers won the league when he was Celtic manager
ta-fc Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 I'm more than a little torn on this one... Some of the happiest times of my life were with my Dad and Brother watching MON's teams from Pen 4 @ Filbert St, do I think he'd be able to recreate those memories? No... But do I think there is a better manager available? Definitely not so why not give it a shot and try and create some new ones!
SouthLondonFox Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 I don't get this obsession with memories and spoiling them. The only question is whether he's the right man for the job now. Personally I'd take Jimmy Bloomfield...
steve54 Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 The main reason returning managers often fail is down to clubs taking them back when they are in trouble. Despite our current position we are not in trouble, just too inconsistent. A strong manager like MON would be perfect but I doubt whether he will come.
morris1234 Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 or how about....wait you'll like this.........we stop putting so much pressure on everybody and just let our next manager get on with doing his job ,like it used to be, well like when MON was here?? just a thought?
TMELcfc Posted 25 October 2011 Author Posted 25 October 2011 What if he can? The glass is half empy with too many people on here. At Liverpool for example the return of King Kenny as bought optimism among the scousers beyond belief look at all the flags and how happy they are. People are to worried about him losing legendery status here (MON) but they don't seem to worried about that at Liverpool. If MON does come here and it doesn't work out he will still be a legend and part of our history, you can't change what he achieved first time around. I think theres still some part of MON that wants to finnish the job. Fans like me also feel what might of happened if he'd been given the money Taylor had first time around. I really think we were on the cusp of something special. I hope the owners listen to the majority of fans and go after MON with everything they've got and really make him feel wanted enough to say we want you as Leicester City Manager and don't let history be a factor. I think I am swayed by this... My mind is made up. Get Martin back!!!
WardyisPukka Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 But keegan was and is a poor manager , to compare him to MON is ridiculous and shows how little you know about football ! Dalglish is doing ok 2nd time round and anyway forget what he's done here before and go for the best man available , if its MON so be it , if it's not it's not Im not comparing MON and I know MON is ****in lightyears a better manager than keegan can and will ever be!! Im comparing the situation!! a hero went back and it didnt work out again!! Daglish is doing ok but ask yourself this do you really really want MON to come back here and ruin the memories - u all ask why it wont work out simple- The Thais wont let him run it his way which is what MON craves! complete autonomy from any board - im not sure the thais will give him a 100% of that maybe 70 but its their money
Bilo Posted 25 October 2011 Posted 25 October 2011 Nope, Rangers won the league when he was Celtic manager Bugger, yeah. Still though, five seasons there and three titles with a UEFA Cup Final, a domestic treble and a superb record in Old Firm matches. He was far from shoddy at Parkhead.
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