Yojoe36 Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 They always only use crowd noise from a mic in he ground that is non offensive. If fans in an area start singing something they consider offensive they turn the mic off. You sure? I'm always hearing chants with swear words, directed towards players and the opposite fans.
purpleronnie Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 You sure? I'm always hearing chants with swear words, directed towards players and the opposite fans. they seem to turn the mic's down on terrestrial channels, not sure they do it on sky but it wouldnt surprise me, so many people itching to complain about everything.
I am Rod Hull Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 Are your suggestions intended to save football or kill it? That would kill it how ? Mr Sky Sports generation... I thought football was a spectator sport... Theres been 4 winners of the Premier League in its 20 years, 13 by money boys Man Utd, Man City are quiet well off and look at what they`re doing at the moment... Wakey wakey.....
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 Can anyone remember Walsall away 3 seasons ago when we won 4-1 i think, i cant remember Walsall fans singing at all
Jace Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 Can anyone remember Walsall away 3 seasons ago when we won 4-1 i think, i cant remember Walsall fans singing at all Can't blame them tbh I would find it hard to get excited about Walsall Football Club too
liamsm Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 Protest by not going, thats what i do now. £30 for 90 minutes ? They can get fooked. Cap wages at £5k a week, bring the prices down to a tenner and fill the grounds. WOW that sounds good to me
liamsm Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 I live about 30 miles away and if i go with the lad it costs about £80 all in. £80 to see us play Bristol City as fook all to do with a Wembley final. do you drive a tank? take your own food and a flask then admission, its only 30 miles each way about a tenner in petrol, it would not cost £70 for you and your lad to get in
Jordan Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 That would kill it how ? Mr Sky Sports generation... I thought football was a spectator sport... Theres been 4 winners of the Premier League in its 20 years, 13 by money boys Man Utd, Man City are quiet well off and look at what they`re doing at the moment... Wakey wakey..... First, just to even argue against your proposal to cap player wages at 5k/week, I'd have to entertain the ridiculous notions that the Professional Footballer's Association and FIFPro would agree to it, that every Premier League club would even want such a restriction, that UK and EU law would allow it, and that the Court of Arbitration in Sports would uphold such a rule change in case it were challenged further. Then we'd have a complete meltdown in social order because everything we know about economics, law, self-interest, logic and perhaps even arithmetic is completely wrong. Player salaries are not the problem. The worst they could possibly be is a symptom of a larger problem. Over the past 20 years, the amount of money that has been pumped into football has been staggering. All of this money is mostly intended for the benefit club owners, television broadcasters/other media and sponsors. Football is a spectator sport, but the spectators are watching the players, not Rupert Murdoch, Malcolm Glazer or Coca-Cola. The players are the ones doing the entertainment and as such they deserve their fair share of the profits--perhaps as big of a share of the profits as anybody. Not only that, since no two players are equal, it's absurd to deny a world-class, very valuable player what he could earn in a fair, free labor market and force him to earn far below market value for no good reason at all. That's right: I said no good reason at all, because I cannot understand how capping player wages at 5k/week would do anything to improve the matchday experience for fans. As for ticket prices, I cannot say for sure whether the Premier League clubs and clubs like Leicester City are selling their tickets above a level within the people's demand, and they may very well be guilty of this. I'm sure I'd agree with you that it's unfortunate when the buck gets passed to consumers, whether it's in football or anything else. I think we both agree that football would be more enjoyable if it were more affordable. However, I don't think the club's accountants and advisers are completely incompetent. They're interested in one thing and one thing only: the club's bottom line. For a Premier League club, the demand for tickets is usually there, so they're trying to strike the perfect balance between high prices and a very high percentage of tickets available in the ground sold. In Leicester's case, their research could show that the club could expect anywhere from, say, 20-26k for a weekend afternoon home match depending on the prices of the tickets, the opposition, the club's form and the weather. To them, it might not even be worth it to slash ticket prices in an attempt to pack King Power Stadium to the roof. And as, say, Leicester City have the 4th-highest home attendance in the Championship, the Championship is one of the highest-attended leagues in the world, and the Premier League is the most popular league worldwide, obviously plenty of people don't mind the high ticket prices and a quiet ground (I like full, loud stadiums, but different strokes for different folks, I guess). And yes, that shows clearly that football is very much still a spectator sport. If you want to buy cheaper tickets to games and see players earn less than 5k/week, there are plenty of places in England where you could do that. There's only so much that can change about the matchday experience without a massive upheaval amongst the fans, as since a lot of people in football are making money, they probably won't care (the fans in attendance at the Wolves/Sunderland game are still paying for their tickets). You'll just have to decide whether you can help bring about change (there are many supporters groups actively campaigning against many things you dislike about the modern game), if the prices for tickets to games in televised leagues are still worth your while, if Sky Sports is worth your while, or if value and atmosphere are more important to you than loyalty to your local club.
I am Rod Hull Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 do you drive a tank? take your own food and a flask then admission, its only 30 miles each way about a tenner in petrol, it would not cost £70 for you and your lad to get in When i go to the fairground i like to have candy floss... When i go to football i like to have a pint...
I am Rod Hull Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 First, just to even argue against your proposal to cap player wages at 5k/week, I'd have to entertain the ridiculous notions that the Professional Footballer's Association and FIFPro would agree to it, that every Premier League club would even want such a restriction, that UK and EU law would allow it, and that the Court of Arbitration in Sports would uphold such a rule change in case it were challenged further. Then we'd have a complete meltdown in social order because everything we know about economics, law, self-interest, logic and perhaps even arithmetic is completely wrong.Player salaries are not the problem. The worst they could possibly be is a symptom of a larger problem. Over the past 20 years, the amount of money that has been pumped into football has been staggering. All of this money is mostly intended for the benefit club owners, television broadcasters/other media and sponsors. Football is a spectator sport, but the spectators are watching the players, not Rupert Murdoch, Malcolm Glazer or Coca-Cola. The players are the ones doing the entertainment and as such they deserve their fair share of the profits--perhaps as big of a share of the profits as anybody.Not only that, since no two players are equal, it's absurd to deny a world-class, very valuable player what he could earn in a fair, free labor market and force him to earn far below market value for no good reason at all. That's right: I said no good reason at all, because I cannot understand how capping player wages at 5k/week would do anything to improve the matchday experience for fans.As for ticket prices, I cannot say for sure whether the Premier League clubs and clubs like Leicester City are selling their tickets above a level within the people's demand, and they may very well be guilty of this. I'm sure I'd agree with you that it's unfortunate when the buck gets passed to consumers, whether it's in football or anything else. I think we both agree that football would be more enjoyable if it were more affordable. However, I don't think the club's accountants and advisers are completely incompetent. They're interested in one thing and one thing only: the club's bottom line. For a Premier League club, the demand for tickets is usually there, so they're trying to strike the perfect balance between high prices and a very high percentage of tickets available in the ground sold. In Leicester's case, their research could show that the club could expect anywhere from, say, 20-26k for a weekend afternoon home match depending on the prices of the tickets, the opposition, the club's form and the weather. To them, it might not even be worth it to slash ticket prices in an attempt to pack King Power Stadium to the roof. And as, say, Leicester City have the 4th-highest home attendance in the Championship, the Championship is one of the highest-attended leagues in the world, and the Premier League is the most popular league worldwide, obviously plenty of people don't mind the high ticket prices and a quiet ground (I like full, loud stadiums, but different strokes for different folks, I guess).And yes, that shows clearly that football is very much still a spectator sport.If you want to buy cheaper tickets to games and see players earn less than 5k/week, there are plenty of places in England where you could do that. There's only so much that can change about the matchday experience without a massive upheaval amongst the fans, as since a lot of people in football are making money, they probably won't care (the fans in attendance at the Wolves/Sunderland game are still paying for their tickets). You'll just have to decide whether you can help bring about change (there are many supporters groups actively campaigning against many things you dislike about the modern game), if the prices for tickets to games in televised leagues are still worth your while, if Sky Sports is worth your while, or if value and atmosphere are more important to you than loyalty to your local club. Dont get technical, get moral...
Jace Posted 19 November 2011 Posted 19 November 2011 When i go to the fairground i like to have candy floss... When i go to football i like to have a pint...
Captain... Posted 20 November 2011 Posted 20 November 2011 I know there are many factors that push prices up, but the ridiculous amount of money players get paid, must surely be at the top of the list. How often have our, or for that matter, other clubs players, have continually under performed? Do they ever think that the supporters, many of whom can only dream of earning what they do, give up so much to support their club, and pay their wages? I wonder how they would feel, if they were watching, and not playing? Supporters should get a square deal, and not be exploited, even by the players themselves! To be fair it's not even the underperforming ones that bug me, it's the ones that don't play, we have Gelson Fernandes and Michael Johnson on loan, despite having a surplus of midfielders. That must be on at least 50K a week, that's 100k a week we spend on players we don't need, we play at home once every 2 weeks, so that's 200k we could save every home game by cancelling these loan deals and pass the savings on to ther fans. Maybe I am wrong, maybe they are on much less than that, but when I look at our squad I can see a lot of surplus players that we could let go, or sell. This need to horde players has come about since the transfer window was brought in I miss the days of having a first team squad of about 16 and the rest was youth teamers coming through now we have a squad of about 25, including players like Ball and Pantsil who are just taking places of young players and costing a lot of money in wages. Because of the transfer window now means we need to have at least 2 players in every position. Pointless rant over.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 20 November 2011 Posted 20 November 2011 To be fair it's not even the underperforming ones that bug me, it's the ones that don't play, we have Gelson Fernandes and Michael Johnson on loan, despite having a surplus of midfielders. That must be on at least 50K a week, that's 100k a week we spend on players we don't need, we play at home once every 2 weeks, so that's 200k we could save every home game by cancelling these loan deals and pass the savings on to ther fans. Maybe I am wrong, maybe they are on much less than that, but when I look at our squad I can see a lot of surplus players that we could let go, or sell. This need to horde players has come about since the transfer window was brought in I miss the days of having a first team squad of about 16 and the rest was youth teamers coming through now we have a squad of about 25, including players like Ball and Pantsil who are just taking places of young players and costing a lot of money in wages. Because of the transfer window now means we need to have at least 2 players in every position. Pointless rant over. They'll be on a combined total of like 40k a week, if that. Never 100k a week.
Jordan Posted 20 November 2011 Posted 20 November 2011 I know there are many factors that push prices up, but the ridiculous amount of money players get paid, must surely be at the top of the list. That's false. The biggest factor in the increase of ticket prices is, was, and always will be the simple economics of supply and demand. Football clubs are always figuring out the limits of how much they can charge for tickets. Have you noticed that football atttendances in England are continuing to grow while ticket prices continue to increase and more games are being broadcast on TV? And have you noticed that many teams have either moved into new stadiums, expanded their stadiums or are actively working to do so? And why do you think that's so? Leicester City ticket prices were still high two seasons ago, before the club's payroll skyrocketed. Yes, some of the money that comes directly from supporters' wallets offsets increases in operational expenses to a small degree, but all of the money used to sign all of these new players and coaches came from King Power's assets and not your debit card. Supporters should get a square deal, and not be exploited, even by the players themselves! The Sunderland and Wolves fans focused their protest on the right culprit: the owners and Sky. The players are earning the fruits of their work in their short careers and do not deserve to be exploited, either. If you want a fair break, tell club owners and Sky to use some of the massive amounts of money they extract from the game as profits to offset a discount in ticket prices. Dont get technical, get moral... Oh, don't worry: I'm all about people before profits here!
ta-fc Posted 20 November 2011 Posted 20 November 2011 You wouldnt bloody notice anything most games on the telly are silent, it won't be long before sky will be dubbing crowd noise onto their broadcasts! So... you'd like to add the 'atmosphere' package to your sports subscription? That'll be an additional 9.99 or free if you have the Sports, HD, Multiroom, 3D package.
davieG Posted 20 November 2011 Posted 20 November 2011 That's false. The biggest factor in the increase of ticket prices is, was, and always will be the simple economics of supply and demand. Football clubs are always figuring out the limits of how much they can charge for tickets. Have you noticed that football atttendances in England are continuing to grow while ticket prices continue to increase and more games are being broadcast on TV? And have you noticed that many teams have either moved into new stadiums, expanded their stadiums or are actively working to do so? And why do you think that's so? Leicester City ticket prices were still high two seasons ago, before the club's payroll skyrocketed. Yes, some of the money that comes directly from supporters' wallets offsets increases in operational expenses to a small degree, but all of the money used to sign all of these new players and coaches came from King Power's assets and not your debit card. The Sunderland and Wolves fans focused their protest on the right culprit: the owners and Sky. The players are earning the fruits of their work in their short careers and do not deserve to be exploited, either. If you want a fair break, tell club owners and Sky to use some of the massive amounts of money they extract from the game as profits to offset a discount in ticket prices. Oh, don't worry: I'm all about people before profits here! But the vast majority of clubs aren't making profits, well on the surface it appears to me that any potential profits are being squeezed out by exorbitant unsustainable player wages and transfer fees but then clubs aren't exactly transparent with their finances so who can say for sure.
Captain... Posted 20 November 2011 Posted 20 November 2011 That's false. The biggest factor in the increase of ticket prices is, was, and always will be the simple economics of supply and demand. Football clubs are always figuring out the limits of how much they can charge for tickets. Have you noticed that football atttendances in England are continuing to grow while ticket prices continue to increase and more games are being broadcast on TV? And have you noticed that many teams have either moved into new stadiums, expanded their stadiums or are actively working to do so? And why do you think that's so? Leicester City ticket prices were still high two seasons ago, before the club's payroll skyrocketed. Yes, some of the money that comes directly from supporters' wallets offsets increases in operational expenses to a small degree, but all of the money used to sign all of these new players and coaches came from King Power's assets and not your debit card. If it is based solely on supply and demand then the economists at the club are doing a pretty poor job, and at all others around the country. There is the fan base for this club to fill the ground every game, but we don't. Our last season in the prem we averaged 31,000. The last few seasons we have averaged 23,000 but we have filled it a couple of times. Just look at the success of fans fixtures if it's affordable people will go. You are right that it is greed and seeing how much can be squeezed out of the fans, I just wish the owners of football clubs would realise that a full house brings so much more benefits than just ticket revenue.
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