Mack Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 You can feel it everywhere. In the local media and on the local radio. In the stands of the King Power Stadium. And in the Director's box. Far too much pressure and expectation is being piled onto our players and manager. Some players are coping with it, others are struggling. You can be callous about it and say they are paid a lot of money so deal with it, but at the end of the day however many moans, groans, tuts, sighs and boos are levelled at them they are human beings and have human emotions. They are not perfect robots. Right now even a stray pass is being met with derision from the 'faithful'. I know it wont change, and that's why I think our chances of success this season are hindered by the environment created by our own media, fans and owners. This whole scenario reminds me of 'England Syndrome' and the circus that surrounds our national team. And it's very unhealthy for our club.
Happy Fox Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 You can feel it everywhere. In the local media and on the local radio. In the stands of the King Power Stadium. And in the Director's box. Far too much pressure and expectation is being piled onto our players and manager. Some players are coping with it, others are struggling. You can be callous about it and say they are paid a lot of money so deal with it, but at the end of the day however many moans, groans, tuts, sighs and boos are levelled at them they are human beings and have human emotions. They are not perfect robots. Right now even a stray pass is being met with derision from the 'faithful'. I know it wont change, and that's why I think our chances of success this season are hindered by the environment created by our own media, fans and owners. This whole scenario reminds me of 'England Syndrome' and the circus that surrounds our national team. And it's very unhealthy for our club. The pressure is coming from the owners, they demand promotion their is nothing to it really if the players cannot deal with it then jog on and get the f**K out of our club.
City Fox Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 This is the difference between us and say West Ham. There players can cope with the pressure, they signed the right players and I look at there squad with jealousy Time for ours to stand up and be counted, there men not U12's on the park. Get the deadwood out and get the quality in because apart from Kasper I can't see one position where I'd say we've got a guaranteed starter every week
Callabinho Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 We spent possibly over £10 million, in the championship, in one swoop..... you would think the only thing that could justify that kind of spending is promotion. The losses would be massive if we were not to achieve it, unfortunately the owners have created the pressure themselves by investing so much. you don't spend as much as we have in this division to come a steady 10th.
Churchill Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 I agree, some people have posted about the 09/10 season under Pearson and no one expected us to finish higher than mid table but we over achieved that season and got a play off spot. This season everyone expects 3 points everyweek, ok we should be beating teams like Millwall etc but you look at the season under Pearson we drew at home to some poor sides like Doncaster and Pboro. We won't win every game this season and we will slip up against some of the teams down the bottom i am confident Pearson will give us a top 6 finish this season.
TheOnlyWayIsSchlupp! Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 We won't win every game this season and we will slip up against some of the teams down the bottom i am confident Pearson will give us a top 6 finish this season. Totally agree, you look at any team and they will have little blips/ dips in form, take West Ham for example - they lost 3-0 to Reading ( a team IMO they should be beating) but they will still finish up there. Losing a bit of form is part of every season, Pearsons honeymoon period is over and the hard work begins now! and come may we will be at least in the playoffs!
Marmite Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 This is the difference between us and say West Ham. There players can cope with the pressure, they signed the right players and I look at there squad with jealousy Time for ours to stand up and be counted, there men not U12's on the park. Get the deadwood out and get the quality in because apart from Kasper I can't see one position where I'd say we've got a guaranteed starter every week Agree 100 % spot on
Christoph Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 What worries me most is that, even if we do get in the premiership with a good run, are we going to be able to keep it up when we're there...There aren't alot of players in the squad that spouts premiership class. Players like King, Wellens and Gallagher, who can all play sublime on their day, but i jut dont see them having much of those days in the prem considering its rare enough in the championship. And bamba makes way too many risks for my liking, st. ledger seems abit nervous some times, the strikers are hit and miss. And you dont really wanna buy a whole new squad when you hit the prem as you have that gelling period again
Happy Fox Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 What worries me most is that, even if we do get in the premiership with a good run, are we going to be able to keep it up when we're there...There aren't alot of players in the squad that spouts premiership class. Players like King, Wellens and Gallagher, who can all play sublime on their day, but i jut dont see them having much of those days in the prem considering its rare enough in the championship. And bamba makes way too many risks for my liking, st. ledger seems abit nervous some times, the strikers are hit and miss. And you dont really wanna buy a whole new squad when you hit the prem as you have that gelling period again The owners will probably splash more cash to stay in the prem I would have thought.
Mack Posted 12 December 2011 Author Posted 12 December 2011 This is the difference between us and say West Ham. There players can cope with the pressure, they signed the right players and I look at there squad with jealousy Time for ours to stand up and be counted, there men not U12's on the park. Get the deadwood out and get the quality in because apart from Kasper I can't see one position where I'd say we've got a guaranteed starter every week The other difference between us and West Ham is that their fans much as I hate them create a positive environment for the team to perform in rather than shouting negative comments or abuse at the slightest minor mistake. The owners are not bearing down on the players in expectation either.
cc_star Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 I agree totally Pearson's achievement in nearly getting promoted swiftly followed by rich owners coming in along with one of the highest profile mangers in world football & a transfer budget that dwarfed the division except for 1 relegated side signing some big name Championship players in Kasper, Mills, Danns, Nugent & a couple of Premiership players in Beckford, Johnson & Pantsil has driven our expectations to stratospheric levels, now as the players were either the wrong players or just aren't as good as their reputations and it has all come crashing down - we need to adapt our expectation (and so do the owners) to one of continual improvement. The expectation of promotion fostered by the owner's spending is corrosive. Yes we want to go up, but we want to do so with a good side with good players performing at a high level, we can balance the squad in January to allow us to compete in the 2nd half of the season, but I'd much rather a couple of signings which improve the team and leave us in good shape for the summer rather than go hell for leather change the whole squad in Jan & then have to change the whole squad again next summer.
accessory Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 The other difference between us and West Ham is that their fans much as I hate them create a positive environment for the team to perform in rather than shouting negative comments or abuse at the slightest minor mistake. The owners are not bearing down on the players in expectation either. The same West Ham whose home record (3 defeats so far) is almost as bad as ours? Or whose owners are in the media every week saying an instant return to the top flight is a must? Their away form (before Saturday) was a lot better though, so their players are coping with expectations better than ours.
accessory Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 I agree totally Pearson's achievement in nearly getting promoted swiftly followed by rich owners coming in along with one of the highest profile mangers in world football & a transfer budget that dwarfed the division except for 1 relegated side signing some big name Championship players in Kasper, Mills, Danns, Nugent & a couple of Premiership players in Beckford, Johnson & Pantsil has driven our expectations to stratospheric levels, now as the players were either the wrong players or just aren't as good as their reputations and it has all come crashing down - we need to adapt our expectation (and so do the owners) to one of continual improvement. The expectation of promotion fostered by the owner's spending is corrosive. Yes we want to go up, but we want to do so with a good side with good players performing at a high level, we can balance the squad in January to allow us to compete in the 2nd half of the season, but I'd much rather a couple of signings which improve the team and leave us in good shape for the summer rather than go hell for leather change the whole squad in Jan & then have to change the whole squad again next summer. How terrible to have owners showing some ambition for our club and our city, and being prepared to spend millions to help us return to the top flight. Maybe we should tell them to sell up and move to Forest or Cov instead, so we can bring back Rob Kelly and gleefully anticipate many more years of lower-league mediocrity.
He's not bald Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 How terrible to have owners showing some ambition for our club and our city, and being prepared to spend millions to help us return to the top flight. Maybe we should tell them to sell up and move to Forest or Cov instead, so we can bring back Rob Kelly and gleefully anticipate many more years of lower-league mediocrity. Agree and it's crap that our fans that want success as well,from now on we should applaud every stray pass and cheer when we miss a golden opportunity to score, maybe stay on for few minutes when we lose 3-0 at home to chant the names of our millionaire players after all we don't want them crying all the way home to their 6 bedroom mansions in their Range Rovers and sports cars!!
cc_star Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 How terrible to have owners showing some ambition for our club and our city, and being prepared to spend millions to help us return to the top flight. Maybe we should tell them to sell up and move to Forest or Cov instead, so we can bring back Rob Kelly and gleefully anticipate many more years of lower-league mediocrity. Don't get what your point is, it bares no relation to my point in agreeing with the origial post and saying that the air of expectation is corrosive and indeed is proving counter-productive I said I want promotion, but I think we should expect 'continual improvement' rather than actual promotion... that way the relationship between the fans & club, players etc could be far more healthy and make promotion actually more likely than spunking millions up the wall alone. want & expect are two different words
Guest Col city fan Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 I'm not convinced at all by this pressure to succeed argument. I wonder how much 'pressure' is really felt by the players. A good manager should be able to cushion the bulk of the squad from decisions,pressures being made from above. Yes the Thais are businessmen and want success. But they have backed everything up so far with an injection of cash. I can't recollect that City have spent five mill on a transfer since the disaster that was Akinbiyi. I also genuinely feel that they came to realise that Sven was not the correct man to take us forward. Therefore, they put their hands in their pockets yet again to pay off Sven and to acquire Pearson. They come across as a decent bunch of people, welcomed Nige with open arms and he appears to be very happy here, at least at present. For me, our position in the league is less about pressure and more about the imbalance in the squad that Sven created. In addition, I'm coming to think now that Sven signed players who are perhaps not as good as we all thought they would be. This leaves Pearson to now re-gig the squad around, get us playing in the way he wants us to and perhaps look to sign a few and offload a few. On that subject we'll see. The players look happy, Pearson looks happy and, with a few wins, we will all be happy. Yes there is a level of expectation but Nige has taken on this job knowing that. He's made it clear time and time again in interviews and has stated that he has come back to City to take on this challenge. I don't feel this squad feel particularly pressurised. I do feel that they have simply failed, thus far, to achieve what we thought they would. I wasn't surprised at this when SGE was manager. Rumours abound that he lost the dressing room. When that happens its game over. I would be surprised if Pearson doesn't get us into the play offs. Although I do now believe that he has inherited a squad that is nowhere near as good as I thought it was. So I hold my hands up and admit that I'm surprised at that. I absolutely think that a midfield ball winner, a good creative bloke and a confident finisher would make a massive difference... Pressure?.... I guess it's all relative. It has been reported recently in the news that more people than ever before are getting themselves into significant debt just to get by... Now that's pressure to my mind.
Happy Fox Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 Don't get what your point is, it bares no relation to my point in agreeing with the origial post and saying that the air of expectation is corrosive and indeed is proving counter-productive I said I want promotion, but I think we should expect 'continual improvement' rather than actual promotion... that way the relationship between the fans & club, players etc could be far more healthy and make promotion actually more likely than spunking millions up the wall alone. want & expect are two different words The owners expect promotion, Top's favorite word in his vocabulary, if we don't go up this year will FFP really hammer us points deductions.
accessory Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 Don't get what your point is, it bares no relation to my point in agreeing with the origial post and saying that the air of expectation is corrosive and indeed is proving counter-productive I said I want promotion, but I think we should expect 'continual improvement' rather than actual promotion... that way the relationship between the fans & club, players etc could be far more healthy and make promotion actually more likely than spunking millions up the wall alone. want & expect are two different words I'd rather have high expectations than the inferiority complex afflicting some on here. They seem to think that a point at home to Peterborough, a far smaller club with weaker players, is something to be celebrated. As someone once said, only weak people feel pressure. Shame he looks like being one of them..
Corky Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 I don't think anyone is "celebrating" the draw with Peterborough. A couple I've seen have said it's not the end of the world, which it isn't. The result on Saturday was poor and not what we needed given our home defeats already but I haven't seen anyone happy about it.
accessory Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 The owners expect promotion, Top's favorite word in his vocabulary, if we don't go up this year will FFP really hammer us points deductions. We'd probably escape points deductions - but only by letting the likes of Nugent, Schmeichel etc leave in a fire sale. That would set us back years and probably force the owners to sell up. Still, I've no doubt the happy clappies would enjoy the trips to see AFC Leicester play in the Midland Alliance....
Mack Posted 12 December 2011 Author Posted 12 December 2011 Take Saturday for example. They went one up and totally bottled it. Almost everyone in the stands is sitting back arms folded expecting the team to win easily and entertain at the same time. Then after a draw players are singled out and attacked by so called fans who then suggest they should be removed from the team immediately. There is a poisonous environment around our club at the moment and it is causing more trouble than anything else.
Happy Fox Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 Fact is we are underperforming, the owners realized that Sven wasn't delivering so sacked him. NP knows the remit he has to deliver promotion this season.
Happy Fox Posted 12 December 2011 Posted 12 December 2011 Take Saturday for example. They went one up and totally bottled it. Almost everyone in the stands is sitting back arms folded expecting the team to win easily and entertain at the same time. Then after a draw players are singled out and attacked by so called fans who then suggest they should be removed from the team immediately. There is a poisonous environment around our club at the moment and it is causing more trouble than anything else. No I think people are beginning to realize players are not consistently producing the goods and the fact that the midfield are mediocre and not simply good enough for promotion.
Mack Posted 12 December 2011 Author Posted 12 December 2011 No I think people are beginning to realize players are not consistently producing the goods and the fact that the midfield are mediocre and not simply good enough for promotion. And I would spin that around and suggest that if the same fans supported rather than attacked the same players they would have a much better chance to provide the level of performance those fans require. I think the culture in football has totally changed. Everyone is an expert, everyone knows better. I think it's born both from the Football Manager generation and the general culture that seems to prevail recently in that many people think everyone else in inferior to them and they always know better. As a fan of course not everything is rosy in the garden all the time but surely we all want the same thing? Owners, Manager, Players, Fans.. we all want success, so why do fans think that goal is best served by attacking the only people that can provide it... the players.
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