Trav Le Bleu Posted 27 December 2011 Posted 27 December 2011 Sven didn't sign those players, Kingy came through the academy whilst Wellens and Gally were signed by NP. IRONY ALERT!!! And did I just see Thracian say he'd like Abe to be in the team?
HoustonFox Posted 27 December 2011 Posted 27 December 2011 Let us be quite clear about it. Andy King is a good footballer. Any midfielder who passes the ball as quickly and accurately as he does and who plunders double figures in goals each season is an asset. But the bloke seems so frustrated he's gone flat. In fact he's almost gone into hiding and if I were the coaching staff I'd want to know why and to find out what might be done about it. First of all King is the ultimate team player. He plays a selfless game but he needs to play with others on the same wave band. King is a one or two-touch give-and-go footballer. But that's no use if others don't, can't or won't play that way and too many players in our current side are exactly like that. Consequently we've entirely lost any cohesion as a team. We can improve the situation immediately by playing other passers like Tunchev, Abe and Schlupp in the team but we don't and never really have. But King needs to improve too. Since he's bought his big four-wheel drive with its personalised number plate his own batteries have gone flat. King needs to be demanding the ball but he doesn't. He needs to get out of cruise control and push harder but instead he paces himself. He's much closer marked in attacking areas now and needs help to deal with that. But, above all he needs to be playing in a team which compliments his ability and which operates with a sense of purpose. Today's team is disjointed. There's no flow. No cohesion. No understanding. No rapport. No collective spirit. The above is not meant to reserve a place in the team for King either. If he can't attend to the things I've mentioned then he's finished going forward as a footballer and that would be a shame because he's got skill, he's got brain and he can operate effectively at a decent level. But "can" is another word like "if". Short of letters but big on implication. King has got to have the heart for his job and to show the character needed to climb over the obstacles currently in his way. Whether he will is anyone's guess but it's important because Wellens won't change, Abe won't get 10 goals from central midfield and neither will anyone else at the club from what 've seen. King needs to mirror the motor he's got and get some oomph. He needs to demand things of people starting with himself. I rarely agree with you Thracian but this post is spot on. From what I can tell about you, you like football played the right way and I think if we want to see it at the KP, then we need to build a team around Kingy, not sideline him. I really think with some more force of personality, he could be the next Lampard. Unfortunately, the way things are going, it will never be here and in a few yearsc when it does happen, we will all end up looking back regretting letting him go.
iamafox Posted 27 December 2011 Posted 27 December 2011 I think seenitall was being sarcastic mate. I hope you were too... Yeah sorry about that!
HoustonFox Posted 27 December 2011 Posted 27 December 2011 Yeah sorry about that! Was that sarcasm too?
Guest Col city fan Posted 27 December 2011 Posted 27 December 2011 You're not even exaggerating, it's truly unbelievable. Some people on here are embarrassing. Mate let me make it clear.. I wasn't meaning to exaggerate! I reckon if Sven gets sacked from his next massively paid job as manager of.... Outer Mongolia, I'm sure it would be Wellens fault! lol
beryllind Posted 27 December 2011 Posted 27 December 2011 I rarely agree with you Thracian but this post is spot on. From what I can tell about you, you like football played the right way and I think if we want to see it at the KP, then we need to build a team around Kingy, not sideline him. I really th ink with some more force of personality, he could be the next Lampard. Unfortunately, the way things are going, it will never be here and in a few yearsc when it does happen, we will all end up looking back regretting letting him go. You must be joking...you are having a laugh...he wouldn't make the Anstey Nomads team.
marbelladave Posted 27 December 2011 Posted 27 December 2011 Mate let me make it clear.. I wasn't meaning to exaggerate! I reckon if Sven gets sacked from his next massively paid job as manager of.... Outer Mongolia, I'm sure it would be Wellens fault! lol It's taken a very long time but I am glad that you have finally seen the light........ Sven is refusing to take any jobs, highly paid or otherwise, until he has finished his detox and completed his therapy. The visions of Wellens 'quarterbacking' City from in front of the back 4 is giving him cold sweats and severely impacting his libedo, he'll probably be ok, but it will take some time....
HoustonFox Posted 27 December 2011 Posted 27 December 2011 You must be joking...you are having a laugh...he wouldn't make the Anstey Nomads team. Nope. I genuinely think that. Cheers. No. Ok, sorry I doubted you brother fox
flowwolf Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 Girls when you have quite finished squabbling and point scoring ! King has turned out to be one of those early flowering sort of players , The sort who promise so much but wither on the vine. Football is littered with them. He has had his few days in the sun but will never do better than his early days with us . We all saw the potential but he has never fulfilled that promise. End of story.
NewburyFox Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 Girls when you have quite finished squabbling and point scoring ! King has turned out to be one of those early flowering sort of players , The sort who promise so much but wither on the vine. Football is littered with them. He has had his few days in the sun but will never do better than his early days with us . We all saw the potential but he has never fulfilled that promise. End of story. Didn't realise you could see into the future...?
flowwolf Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 Watched his Progress or should I say complete lack of. You don't have to be Gypsy Rose Lee to see his future fortunes.
volpeazzurro Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 I don't get Thracians love in with King though I always like to read his posts as they are usually imo, well thought out and usually correct so no offence Thracian. I don't and never have seen this wonderful one touch football from him mainly because although he runs around a lot, it's invarioubly been in the wrong place at the wrong time. If I was to be super cynical I'd say that he was deliberately trying to keep out of the game though that of course would be silly. Try just watching him and him only for a while as I have done and you will see that his inclusion in the side is pointless, we're effectively a man down with him. Yes, he used to score a lot of goals and yes I believe he's a good finisher but... when the goals dried up so did the point of him being in the side. I agree Wellens isn't, to put it mildly, in the best form of his life however I do feel the scapegoating of him is well over the top. Sometimes when I watch the team I listen to the commentary as well just to see what their take on the match is compared to mine. It's noticeable that Wellens name is mentioned a lot with a limited few others and you can see him involved with the game even if some of what he's doing isn't that great at time. Compare that to King and you can sometimes go a whole half without him getting a mention. Now obviously a lot of work is done without the ball etc, I'm aware of that, but, if you study Kings play, he doesn't get a mention as he's not only is he anonymous, he's not even,even making decent runs defensively or behind the attack etc. All in all he flatters to deceive imo.
Thracian Posted 28 December 2011 Author Posted 28 December 2011 No offence taken at all - I have referred to King "hiding" myself in recent weeks and after a bright start he seemed to do the same against Ipswich although we were a better side when he came on. Others have referred to him functioning better in a midfield three than aa two - and they may be right - but he needs to get on the ball more (and won't do that with Wellens in the side) and he needs to show the urgency to force his way into goalscoring positions again. With Wellens, goalscoring and fast passing are never an option.
Thracian Posted 28 December 2011 Author Posted 28 December 2011 IRONY ALERT!!! And did I just see Thracian say he'd like Abe to be in the team? Abe's not necessarily the answer but he can pass/move quickly and compliment King which seemed to be our way forward at one time - a process since seemingly abandoned.
sphericalfox Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 Thanks for that Col, sums things up nicely.......... By the way, whats a 'scapegoat'...? You really should try to pick out an individual and try to shoehorn them into near every post or thread and maintain a persistant negativity about their play or actions (Sven/ Beckford). Isn't that right Col City? Isn't that how it works? Pot and kettle.
Guest Col city fan Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 You really should try to pick out an individual and try to shoehorn them into near every post or thread and maintain a persistant negativity about their play or actions (Sven/ Beckford). Isn't that right Col City? Isn't that how it works? Pot and kettle. As usual no idea what you're on about... Woke up in a bad mood again big fella?
sphericalfox Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 As usual no idea what you're on about... Woke up in a bad mood again big fella? No idea what I'm on about. Your persistant Beckford bashing in nearly every thread grows tiresome. So as I have tried my best to ignore your posts, it amazes me that you call all the Wellens bashers, yet you proceed to do the same thing across the board, as you did with with Sven. You obviously need a person to aim your bitterness at, so I'm going to take you off ignore now so I can bask in your brilliance.
Guest Col city fan Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 No idea what I'm on about. Your persistant Beckford bashing in nearly every thread grows tiresome. So as I have tried my best to ignore your posts, it amazes me that you call all the Wellens bashers, yet you proceed to do the same thing across the board, as you did with with Sven. You obviously need a person to aim your bitterness at, so I'm going to take you off ignore now so I can bask in your brilliance. No put me onto ignore so I don't have to suffer any more of your paranoia. I'll put you back onto ignore. I see you were even spoiling for a fight the other day with Babylon. One of the most patient fellas on here. Don't wanna waste my time with your nonsense... Ignore...
sphericalfox Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 No put me onto ignore so I don't have to suffer any more of your paranoia. I'll put you back onto ignore. I see you were even spoiling for a fight the other day with Babylon. One of the most patient fellas on here. Don't wanna waste my time with your nonsense... Ignore... Spoiling for a fight, what the **** are you on about? I didn't start a fight with Babs nor did I get in a fight with Babs. If that's how you viewed it, then that's a good indication of how you perceive things, arseways as usual. What's with this 'paranoia' nonsense? Please explain. I won't be the only one who's noticed your Beckford bashing, and there's not one person on here who didn't notice your bashing of Sven. There's nothing wrong with criticism, it's healthy, but when you start calling other posters it's really laughable! EDIT: Must remind myself if constant bashing of player/manager/someone to quickly post something positive in response to being pulled up on it as though to contradict detractor(s) as though this was a normal thing I usually do.
sphericalfox Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 Spoiling for a fight, what the **** are you on about? I didn't start a fight with Babs nor did I get in a fight with Babs. If that's how you viewed it, then that's a good indication of how you perceive things, arseways as usual. What's with this 'paranoia' nonsense? Please explain. I won't be the only one who's noticed your Beckford bashing, and there's not one person on here who didn't notice your bashing of Sven. There's nothing wrong with criticism, it's healthy, but when you start calling other posters it's really laughable! EDIT: Must remind myself if constant bashing of player/manager/someone to quickly post something positive in response to being pulled up on it as though to contradict detractor(s) as though this was a normal thing I usually do. Don't know why...but I do.
seenitall Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 Sven didn't sign those players, Kingy came through the academy whilst Wellens and Gally were signed by NP. I know - that was the point chap!!!
yag101 Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 He's got a point with his Beckford bashing though, to be fair to col city Beckford's poor technically, he has a shocking touch, can't pass, doesn't work very hard at all, has a poor attitude, and is a limited footballer. Pure poacher, no more to him.
marbelladave Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 Sperical and Col, ease up, it is the season of good will and all that.......... :xmaswink: We all know that we are up to our necks in doo-doo and it has been clear for several weeks that NFP is not interested in doing anything about it until the January window. We have no ideas of his restructuring plans, if any, but either there is one hell of a plan in place or the rest of the season is going to be a joke, and we are going to be the butt of it....... So for the time being I am going to confine myself to sarky comments and the occassional amusing jibe, though assuming it continues to 'go tits up' I might have to find a new vocation........ I am seriously considering that of 'Grammar Nazi'....... :xmasohmy: With my spelling, that might even be quite amusing......
Guest Col city fan Posted 28 December 2011 Posted 28 December 2011 He's got a point with his Beckford bashing though, to be fair to col city Beckford's poor technically, he has a shocking touch, can't pass, doesn't work very hard at all, has a poor attitude, and is a limited footballer. Pure poacher, no more to him. I've made it clear that I have always hoped that Beckford would come good.. As a City fan first and foremost, I'd love a striker who was scoring goals week-in, week-out. However, I expressed my doubts that this would happen as soon as we signed him. 'Freeman's Wharfer's post of the Beckford Transfer thread pretty much sums up my opinion of Beckford. I can't for the life of me see what others claim to see and I maintain that there is no understanding, no partnership between the front two. They are playing two far apart from each other. Anyway, thought this was a thread about King? :xmassmile:
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