Guest Basildon Fox Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 Yawn. The regularity in which he is having to issue these hollow pseudo-defiant statements only serves to betray how meaningless they are. How about just stfu for a while eh Nige? Enjoy your expensive holidays over the summer and we'll hear from you again when you've actually done some work rather than just talking about it. Yawn. I thought you had left here as we were in the main intellectually inferior to your wise words?? MOAN MOAN MOAN!! FFS!! What is he meant to say? "Yes Rob, I am really feeling the pressure here. The job is far too much for me." Nice to see him being positive and declaring that he is capable of getting it right.
Webbo Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 Yawn. The regularity in which he is having to issue these hollow pseudo-defiant statements only serves to betray how meaningless they are. How about just stfu for a while eh Nige? Enjoy your expensive holidays over the summer and we'll hear from you again when you've actually done some work rather than just talking about it. These comments will have come from the weekly press conference which I assume he's obliged to do. If he didn't turn up for these conferences or sat there in silence and refused to speak then people would draw their own conclusions or criticize him for not keeping the fans informed. As always on here, for some people Nige is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
seenitall Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 Yawn. I thought you had left here as we were in the main intellectually inferior to your wise words?? FFS!! What is he meant to say? "Yes Rob, I am really feeling the pressure here. The job is far too much for me." Nice to see him being positive and declaring that he is capable of getting it right. How the hell does he expect to motivate his players when he sounds so bored by the whole notion of being at Leicester City, he can hardly raise enough enthusiasm to convince himself he's any good - Come on Nige, no one is as dull as this
Corky Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 He sounds no different to when he was here before- and hardly struggled to motivate the team.
seenitall Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 These comments will have come from the weekly press conference which I assume he's obliged to do. If he didn't turn up for these conferences or sat there in silence and refused to speak then people would draw their own conclusions or criticize him for not keeping the fans informed. As always on here, for some people Nige is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. And for some on here if he commented on the colour he thought the changing room should painted next year and went through the paint selection details they'd be convinced he was a great man - have you ever seen the film 'Being There?'
dave the caveman Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 These comments will have come from the weekly press conference which I assume he's obliged to do. If he didn't turn up for these conferences or sat there in silence and refused to speak then people would draw their own conclusions or criticize him for not keeping the fans informed. As always on here, for some people Nige is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Fair enough. If he has to speak I'd rather he cut the bullshit and started being a bit more honest. He used to be very good at avoiding cliches and pointless crap. It's one of the qualities I admired during his first spell.
Webbo Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 And for some on here if he commented on the colour he thought the changing room should painted next year and went through the paint selection details they'd be convinced he was a great man - have you ever seen the film 'Being There?' I think you need to work harder on your come backs. That doesn't make a lick of sense.
Corky Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 And for some on here if he commented on the colour he thought the changing room should painted next year and went through the paint selection details they'd be convinced he was a great man - have you ever seen the film 'Being There?' I reckon he'd gloss over it.
seenitall Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 I think you need to work harder on your come backs. That doesn't make a lick of sense. You must be too young to remember - the film had Peter Sellers as a simpleton who made vague boring statements that got taken by his 'followers' as if he was the messiah - sound familiar?
Corky Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 Oh yes, I've seen plenty of people on here in Pearson interview threads saying "OMG, what a man, could listen to him all day". There really is no great belief on here that Pearson is the messiah, just should be given a chance next season.
seenitall Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 Then we have settled too low - I'll bet Sunderland fans think that MoN is, as do Reading fans with BM and even West Ham fans with big Sam. You have to believe in your manager - if even his 'fans' don't think he is the messiah, what on earth is he doing here?
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 Then we have settled too low - I'll bet Sunderland fans think that MoN is, as do Reading fans with BM and even West Ham fans with big Sam. You have to believe in your manager - if even his 'fans' don't think he is the messiah, what on earth is he doing here? West Ham fans hate Big Sam with a passion and they blame him (as you do with Pearson) for all their ills. That is from a team sitting in 3rd!! Did you believe in Sven?
BlueBlue Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 I've always seen Pearson as a media whore too. I bet he wishes he could stfu, but he always comes across as someone that values discretion.Also if he said he could never get promotion or near to it, what sort of reaction would that provoke. i reckon he is telling people what he can, so that transfers, disputes, aspirations and the like are managed and not over reacted to by people who have no idea of the problems faced. I'm not his biggest fan, but he seems a genuine bloke, who grafts and expects everyone else to do the same.
Babylon Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 And for some on here if he commented on the colour he thought the changing room should painted next year and went through the paint selection details they'd be convinced he was a great man - have you ever seen the film 'Being There?' Was it about Martin Allens time here when he seemed more concerned about the colour of the flowers down the training ground?
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 Its a joke that anyone who believed in Sven can not believe in another manager after a short space of time. Sven wasted 15 million on essentially average championship players, that is a simple fact made evident by our position. What makes the Sven fans think he would have turned it around after losing 2-0 to an awful Bristol with no shots on goal, 3-0 to an awful Millwall with no shots on goals, 2-1 to an out of form Reading side? We won against Watford the week before Millwall and we were shocking, it was only because they were even more terrible we won. I do not buy this Sven would have turned it round business, fact is the team he built is not a 'team' they are individuals many of whom think they are considerably better than they actually are. He could possibly have been given longer, but I doubt the result would be any different.
seenitall Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 West Ham fans hate Big Sam with a passion and they blame him (as you do with Pearson) for all their ills. That is from a team sitting in 3rd!! Did you believe in Sven? I was relieved when he pulled us out of the relegation zone last year and excited when he got to the brink of the play offs from that position, but disappointed in the fade off towards the end of the season. At that point I believed if he had been given some money (he was) and some games (25 - 30) to build on the previous season he may have got us into a play off position, and I still believe he would have done . So yes,I believed in Sven to a point and I sort of believed in Nige when he came back, but he doesn't seem to me to be the same guy as was here before - whether that is because we expect more now or that his last couple of seasons have been average I don't know, but I have lost faith in him. I have no faith however in the board of the club and don't know why being an owner of a football club qualifies you to make important football decisions - and it seems it doesn't. A director of football, although generally disliked, was never more needed than at a club like Leicester - perhaps Sven would have been the man for that job, we'll never know, but I think Nige is gonna need a miracle to turn him into the manager the City fans expect and deserve.
seenitall Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 Its a joke that anyone who believed in Sven can not believe in another manager after a short space of time. Sven wasted 15 million on essentially average championship players, that is a simple fact made evident by our position. What makes the Sven fans think he would have turned it around after losing 2-0 to an awful Bristol with no shots on goal, 3-0 to an awful Millwall with no shots on goals, 2-1 to an out of form Reading side? We won against Watford the week before Millwall and we were shocking, it was only because they were even more terrible we won. I do not buy this Sven would have turned it round business, fact is the team he built is not a 'team' they are individuals many of whom think they are considerably better than they actually are. He could possibly have been given longer, but I doubt the result would be any different. Name the players... But a good manager can mould individuals into a team right? So why can't Nige?
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 Peltier, Mills, St Ledger, Bamba, Ball, Johnson, Beckford. Sven also resigned the much lamented Wellens, Gallagher on improved extended deals. There are probably many more but as I have said our league position when Sven left did not lie, its still does not lie. Sven had lost 3 home games already when he went, that is not good enough for Promotion, many teams who go up lose that many at home over a season. A good manager can mould indviduals into a team but they have to be the right individuals with the right attitudes, Sven couldnt get this bunch to play as a team and they were the players that he signed for his team. I feel that a lot of the players we currently have are not right for this club. It would take a number of months to turn a club around, Pearson has not had the luxury of the summer and preseason to mold his team like Sven. The stand out players against Burnley were Drinkwater and Marshall, that says a lot IMO.
seenitall Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 Peltier, Mills, St Ledger, Bamba, Ball, Johnson, Beckford. Sven also resigned the much lamented Wellens, Gallagher on improved extended deals. There are probably many more but as I have said our league position when Sven left did not lie, its still does not lie. Sven had lost 3 home games already when he went, that is not good enough for Promotion, many teams who go up lose that many at home over a season. A good manager can mould indviduals into a team but they have to be the right individuals with the right attitudes, Sven couldnt get this bunch to play as a team and they were the players that he signed for his team. I feel that a lot of the players we currently have are not right for this club. It would take a number of months to turn a club around, Pearson has not had the luxury of the summer and preseason to mold his team like Sven. The stand out players against Burnley were Drinkwater and Marshall, that says a lot IMO. Ball, Johnson and Beckford were all at premier League clubs and Bamba and Mills were been linked with (albeit crap ones like Blackburn and Wolves) Premier League clubs. St Ledger plays for the Irish national team, so your argument seems based more on your prejudice against these players than any fact. You feel that the players are not right for the club, but I think you will be surprised how many stay this summer. Wellens has faded significantly in the 18 months since Sven re signed him and I thought Gally played quite well under Sven. As ever, the 'number of months' you refer to is left blank - 5? 9? A year? 18 months? Well it clearly has to be done in less than 12, as that is what the previous guy got, so we have 6 and a half months to go to see this team building in action - happy with that? As for DD and Marshall being the stand out players at Burnley, that is not what the player ratings showed at all, the majority feeling that Beckford was the only quality on the pitch that night (read 'em) and many claiming that Morgan was a donkey. Prior to that, there was a discussion on here on Saturday before the Millwall game claiming that DD had been so poor in the previous match that he deserved to be dropped, so how does that stack up? Being the stand out players only says a lot of it's true - is it? Pearson has had 30 games to get a performance out of up to 7 or 8 first team players that he either signed or enjoyed last time he was here - can't do it - is that Mills fault? St ledger?
Babylon Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 As for DD and Marshall being the stand out players at Burnley, that is not what the player ratings showed at all, the majority feeling that Beckford was the only quality on the pitch that night (read 'em) and many claiming that Morgan was a donkey. I've not looked but I'm amazed if that's the case. Beckford was dreadful (again) and Morgan did nothing to be called a donkey.
seenitall Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 I've not looked but I'm amazed if that's the case. Beckford was dreadful (again) and Morgan did nothing to be called a donkey. Sorry, I got my games mixed up - seems everyone was average at the Burnley game, so average that most couldn't even be arced to give them a score!! The negatives for DD, Marshall and Morgan seemed to be from the Millwall game (also some praise for Beckford. I think trying to use the three Jan signings as evidence that Nige is all over it signings wise is a bit premature - Marshall and DD seem promising, certainly at this level, Wes sounds like an honest sort of chap but 8 more like them will hardly inspire the fans - it's all a bit Nige like, safe, easy to manage, nearly good enough etc etc - it's not enough for me
Trav Le Bleu Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 The biggest worry for me is that he doesn't seem phased that he just wasted 30 games of a season and achieved nothing - just that he isn't that bothered. I'm glad he doesn't work for me 'I know I haven't done any work for 6 months but I'm not phased, in fact I enjoy the fact I have some pressure now, I thrive on it' Stop talking man and actually get thriving - how long does it take before he shows some thriving evidence? Personally I'd much prefer it if he had a haunted look and broke down inconsolably half-way through an interview before slashing "I Love LCFC" into his forearm. That should keep fans happy.
ian the fox Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 Are you saying John Pants isnt worth 35 k a week ffs
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 Ball, Johnson and Beckford were all at premier League clubs and Bamba and Mills were been linked with (albeit crap ones like Blackburn and Wolves) Premier League clubs. St Ledger plays for the Irish national team, so your argument seems based more on your prejudice against these players than any fact. You feel that the players are not right for the club, but I think you will be surprised how many stay this summer. Wellens has faded significantly in the 18 months since Sven re signed him and I thought Gally played quite well under Sven. As ever, the 'number of months' you refer to is left blank - 5? 9? A year? 18 months? Well it clearly has to be done in less than 12, as that is what the previous guy got, so we have 6 and a half months to go to see this team building in action - happy with that? As for DD and Marshall being the stand out players at Burnley, that is not what the player ratings showed at all, the majority feeling that Beckford was the only quality on the pitch that night (read 'em) and many claiming that Morgan was a donkey. Prior to that, there was a discussion on here on Saturday before the Millwall game claiming that DD had been so poor in the previous match that he deserved to be dropped, so how does that stack up? Being the stand out players only says a lot of it's true - is it? Pearson has had 30 games to get a performance out of up to 7 or 8 first team players that he either signed or enjoyed last time he was here - can't do it - is that Mills fault? St ledger? Question is what have these players done under either manager to suggest that they are good enough? I can count on 1 hand he number of good performances. Who are the rest 7 or 8 players here last time (Wellens, King, Dyer, Gally, Howard). The team is still mains Svens. I would argue that the newer players need time to settle, and our ambitions have moved and players have aged since they were originally brought in. I would question whether some of them are up to the job but then Sven master of all good in the world failed to replace Gally, Wellens and Dyer with anyone better and even played them himself.
seenitall Posted 20 April 2012 Posted 20 April 2012 Question is what have these players done under either manager to suggest that they are good enough? I can count on 1 hand he number of good performances. Who are the rest 7 or 8 players here last time (Wellens, King, Dyer, Gally, Howard). The team is still mains Svens. I would argue that the newer players need time to settle, and our ambitions have moved and players have aged since they were originally brought in. I would question whether some of them are up to the job but then Sven master of all good in the world failed to replace Gally, Wellens and Dyer with anyone better and even played them himself. .......are 5 players and DD marshall and Wes are 3 more so that = 8, Howard is an also ran so that is 7. No one thinks he would have changed either Nugent or Kasper for any of the dross he had before and so he has actually had the opportunity to play the players he wants to and has either brought in (he doesn't always play them - confidence in your own signing ability???) or remain from last time. Arguing that the team is not his is a nonsense, he has had the option to play well over half the team with his favourites in, and the aforementioned duo give him a good 80% - if he can't get them playing because he has Konchesky instead of Bruno then really, can he be a team builder?
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