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[Rincewind]

Least Religious Countries

by Iva Skoch (RSS feed) on Aug 23rd 2007 at 12:15PM

When you travel to Europe, don't be surprised to find that many Europeans don't believe in God. I have even witnessed some alcohol-infused conversations between Americans and Europeans that almost ended in fistfights over His/Her existence. When you travel to the following countries, you might want to pick a less controversial topic of conversation ... umm, maybe George W?

Here are the Top 10 least religious countries in the world:

1. Sweden (up to 85% non-believer, atheist, agnostic)

2. Vietnam

3. Denmark

4. Norway

5. Japan

6. Czech Republic

7. Finland

8. France

9. South Korea

10. Estonia (up to 49% non-believer, atheist, agnostic)

The one that surprised me was Israel, ranking 19th, with up to 37% claiming to be non-believer, atheist, agnostic. Compare that with the United States, ranking 44th, with 3-9% non-believers, atheists, agnostics. (I think I have met them all on the streets of New York City, too.)

The survey concluded that "high levels of organic atheism are strongly correlated with high levels of societal health, such as low homicide rates, low poverty rates, low infant mortality rates, and low illiteracy rates, as well as high levels of educational attainment, per capita income, and gender equality. Most nations characterized by high degrees of individual and societal security have the highest rates of organic atheism, and conversely, nations characterized by low degrees of individual and societal security have the lowest rates of organic atheism. In some societies, particularly Europe, atheism is growing. However, throughout much of the world -- particularly nations with high birth rates -- atheism is barely discernable."

I don't think Sweden Norway , Denmark or Finland are very warlike atm. Britain did have a problem with a few vikings but that was a few years ago. I want to go to Sweden. Maybe live there.

[Zingari]

Iva Skoch is a joke name. Like Biggus Dickus

Don't believe a word of it

[Webbo]

Why isn't North Korea on that list?

[Zingari]

Why aren't the Monkees on the list ?

[Rincewind]

http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2009/06/atheist-nations-are-more-peaceful.html

[Webbo]

http://epiphenom.fie...e-peaceful.html

Doesn't say why N Korea isn't on the list.

[OzFox]

Why isn't North Korea on that list?

Probably because they're not allowed to have an opinion

Scandinavians always seem like a sensible bunch

[Webbo]

Probably because they're not allowed to have an opinion

But it's an atheist country?

[Zingari]

But it's an atheist country?

Don't they treat their rulers as sorts of "gods" in human form though ?

[OzFox]

But it's an atheist country?

I think it's officially an atheist country, as the leadership sees religion as a threat.

Otherwise I'd guess they'd be Buddhist

[Webbo]

Don't they treat their rulers as sorts of "gods" in human form though ?

There's a difference between 'sort of' and 'is'.

[Zingari]

There's a difference between 'sort of' and 'is'.

Yes in western culture , We have invisible gods ,

But I'm led to believe that in many eastern cultures leaders are revered in human form as gods , in just the same way .

I could be talking complete bollox though

[Rincewind]

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[BoneDog]

I'll start off by saying that I don't really know an awful lot about politics or history, and I expect you're far more clued up about these subjects than myself. I am interested in science, and I'm fascinated by religion, even though I think they're all as wacky as each other.

Nah I bet you're at least as clued up on politics and history as me, I hardly know much history apart from bits and bobs about ancient history and religious hstory but that's about it. I couldn't even list the British Prime Ministers of the 20th Century! I don't know much about the history of wars or industry and alot of the things people are talking about in the Great Britain thread I know nothing of.

I'm fascinated by science too but know little! I don't think that science is something that is making God redundant as some say, and I'm sure that a famous scientist once said that "Science is the search for God", or something like that. I've got a couple of good dvd's about Biomimetics which show and explain how the Eiffel Tower is an imitation of the human thigh bone and all sorts of stuff where animal and plant parts have been copied to create structures and other feats of engineering such as fighter jets. It's amazing how they do these things and the list of different sciences is endless!

I do believe that a big factor in the formation of Israel is fulfilling Bible prophecy. It's in Christians' and Jews' interests for there to be a Jewish state in the so called holy land, because it's predicted in the Bible that this would happen. I know some Christians will even tell you that the Bible must be the word of God, because Israel exists, and therefore the Bible contains real prophecy. This is misinformed, however, because it's the other way around. It's not the case that the people who wrote the Bible could see into the future, it's actually the people who formed Israel read the Bible, and wanted it's predictions to be accurate, so created Israel. It's the equivalent of ordering steak in a restaurant, and then receiving steak. Is ordering that steak prophecy, or was the waiter wishing to fulfill that prophecy?

This is interesting to me because we see a mixture of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim prophecies being fulfilled regarding Israel, and I've always had two possible options for why it has become / is becoming a reality. They are :

1. These messages regarding the future (among many others types of messages) came not from earth, and that there is a God. I believe this possibility to be true but the reasons why are too many to go into here. There would be too many sidetracks

2. The secret societies of the time (some call them Mystery Babylon Schools or similar, I'm sure Plato has written of them and was himself initiated in Egypt) that still rule today, and are the owners of tremendous knowledge which has been passed down the ages, wrote these religious books and encoded secrets for their descendents and new initiates to follow knowingly.

Now I've also got to add your suggestion that is similar to number 2 but is different in many ways and would add many questions!

Most folk probably say that number 2, and your suggestion are far more plausible than number 1 but I'm having none of it. It's number 1 all the way

You touched on the reason I don't believe that Israel is a potential superpower. I think they're far too reliant on help from elsewhere. I don't believe Israel has anywhere near the manpower or resources to even dream of domination. Imagine the USA decided to stop aiding them. I doubt they'd survive for very long without allies. It's a very small nation with hostile enemy states on all its borders. Maybe with help from its allies, Israel can prosper, but the superpower would always be the allies, and not Israel itself.

I understand all of these points and they are valid. I've often thought that Israel might struggle to survive when, or if, one of the more capable nations around them decided to try and seriously attack them. I think the country is only something like 20km wide and is probably smaller than the UK Midlands, I'm not sure on the exact size. If they were under serious threat then there would be a high possibility that the nation could be finished. This is the main reason that I think Israel may, at some point, launch a devastating pre-emptive attack on one or more of her neighbours like we've not seen before. A very dangerous situation has surely evolved.

Just last month the Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi said, "Israel won't last a week of real war." Well, if it came to real war then I don't think Israel would allow the war to last a week, and would do something that many could argue, had to be done to survive.

I'm fairly sure you implied there had already been a golden age. Were you referring to something specific?

Yes there was a Golden Age recently (according to some historians and some religious scholars and texts) around the time of the reign of Kings and Prophets David and Solomon. Quite a few people tend to think that everything in ancient times was mostly rough living and poverty stricken (sort of like in the film "A Life of Brian" and that people lived in shacks and shit ) but there is plenty of evidence that many buildings, and other features of towns, through all ages up to tens of thousands of years ago in different parts of the world have been as spectacular to look at as our modern examples today. There is good evidence of some advanced civilisations that have long since disappeared, and I'm sure more will be uncovered deep under some desert, sea or a polar region. We still have probably hundreds of millions of people living in shacks today while other parts of the world are extremely rich, and I believe this has always been the case going further back in time than we know of.

Who knows how many Golden Ages there could have been, but there are many clues out there. One example is India and Sri Lanka, and the ancient texts and archaeology there. The lands used to be connected and I've read a bit about a Golden Age in that area with great civilisation that goes back thousands of years before Babylon.

For the record, I'm not sure whether Jesus was real or not, but I am sure there was nothing magic about him if he did exist. Miracles are impossible by definition.

I think a miracle could happen, but it wouldn't be the person causing it, rather some unseen force. All of those top level members of secret societies believe in an unseen force so I'm sure there's something in it. God could make a Giraffe speak English if he chose. I'm sure I heard a Sheep call me a **** half way through a Baaa once, so anything's possible

I'd say that another world war is a possibility, but I just can't see how Israel could possibly take control of world power. It's a very small nation, with a population about the size of London*, and it's not especially wealthy, or at the forefront of technology, or anything like that. As I said earlier, Israel is heavily reliant on the USA, and the thought of Israel overpowering the USA is ludicrous for a start. I just think it's way too far fetched, but I'd be interested to know if anyone could try to convince me otherwise.

*Edit: I just checked, and the population of Israel is very nearly exactly the same as London's. 7,859,300 and 7,825,200, respectively.

It does sound far fetched, but if the prophecies are to be continued then it has to happen! We can only speculate as to how.

I don't think that Israel will have to overpower the US. I think the US military will be involved in different parts of the world in the battles that will make up WW3 and while this is going on, the dollar will collapse, taking down the whole paper money system with it (I think that one of the first to put forward this idea was a Muslim scholar named Imran Hosein who is one of the few, IMO, Muslim scholars worth listening to on the subject of economics and 'end-time' miltary goings on). When this monetary collapse happens, all paper money will be worthless as we move into a whole new system of elctronic money, and who knows what situation will arise in the US at that point. They have some gold of course, and even have about 50% of Germany's gold stored in New York I believe, (not sure Germany will get that back!), but if this dollar and paper money collapse does arise then I don't think the US will any longer be half as strong as they now are. Their manufacturing output has gone down significantly and most of the workforce are probably in public services and other non-productive jobs so they won't recover quickly.

These ideas may be far off the mark and never happen, but if there really is an elite who are working towards fulfilling the prophecies, or if the religions are correct, then something's got to give!

I'll hopefully post some more WW3 reports again tomorrow, there have been a couple of good videos put up in the last couple of days and bits of news including the US moving over 20 of their new Raptor Jets to a base in South East Asia, possibly the UAE.

[Rincewind]

I don't believe in talking snakes, a Tardis-like boat, a flood that would take more water than the earth can hold, wayer being changed to wine when in a desert water would be more beneficial, a woman giving birth who has never had sex or in people coming back from the dead. If I went around saying Santa Claus was real I would be regarded as deluded or crazy.

[breadandcheese]

Oh please quit with your anti-semite claims. What I said is that Israel is going to be the next world power. How is that racist in any way? Time will prove me correct. You won't have to wait long to see.

You've not once presented this view as a country growing organically to emerge as a superpower (in the way that China or India are). You've presented it as a shadowy Zionist conspiracy, where they are supposedly plotting and carrying out the most horrific of murders under the flag of others (Merah, Breivik, etc).

The USA has been the dominating world power for nearly 100 years. I have criticised some of their actions many times. That is not racist. Britain was the dominating world power before the USA for a much longer time and there are plenty of things to criticise about that reign too, as the documents regarding Africa released this year have shown. Criticising governments, world leaders and political groups for their actions is not racist.

I agree, criticising the actions of a government are not in any way racist. Criticising Israel for its policy on settlement building, rhetoric over Iran, policy on the Palestinians, are all entirely legitimate. It is entirely racist to make slurs and claims that Israel/Zionists is behind the shootings in France, or behind 9/11, or behind Anders Breivik when it is not. The reason it is a slur, is that you are deciding they are responsible for these actions based on nothing more than a belief that it must be them.

There are many books on my bookshelf written by Jewish people. I own other items that are made by Jewish people that I have paid for with my own money, so I am not anti-Jewish in the slightest. I don't like the word anti-semite as it is pretty meaningless, especially in the context that you are using it. If I was a real anti-semite I would be hating Palestinians, Arab Jews and others in the area, because they are all semites.

Oxford dictionary definition for the word anti-semitism is "hostility to or prejudice against Jews." Either way, using the term anti-semitic or anti-Jewish is I guess not important.

And I see that you added the words 'Jewish State' in brackets after I said Israel. There are many Jewish people who don't support the forced creation of a Jewish state, nor the actions that have followed. I think they have a point. Why should Jewish people whose families have lived in the USA, Russia, Britain and many other countries for a thousand years or more have the right to move themselves to a land that none of their ancestors in a thousand years have ever lived in, and at the same time force people who have lived there for a thousand years out of their homes and into refugee camps? The simple answer is they shouldn't.

Israel is defined as the Jewish State. I would guess that more Jews support Israel than don't.

Most of the Jewish people in Israel don't want war, just like most of the people in Iran don't want war. But they are being pushed into major confrontation by leaders who thrive on destruction. (my last sentence is a bit harsh on Ahmadinejad as he has caused far less destruction that any Israeli leader I can think of)

I think it's a difficult one as neither leadership fully understands each other. The Russians and Americans began to understand how each other's leadership behaved, so that an understanding could be built to determine red lines and prevent war.

As for the quote of Julius Streicher you mentioned, if only he had said 'a few of the Jews', instead of 'Jews' he would have been correct. You do know that Israeli citizens are in charge of the Federal Reserve and have power over Congress don't you? Most people know that if they check facts. They are already well on their way to domination.

Of course, Streicher could also have said 'A few Catholics', or 'A few Communists' and he would also have been correct as there are many secret groups bent on world domination, it just happens that the Zionists are winning.

If Streicher had said "a few of the Jews" instead of Jews, it would still have been anti-semitic, because religion would be of no consequence and creates a link that doesn't need to be made. It's a bit like when a news report makes reference to a black male (we've all read these reports in a paper) when describing a criminal suspect. Yes, factually it is correct, but the suspect may be black, but his colour is of no relevance, therefore, why is it mentioned?

Regarding Israeli citizens being in charge of the Federal Reserve, Ben Bernanke is American. he is Jewish, but he is American.

I guess my concern regarding your postings is this:

Propaganda during Nazi Germany used libels that the Jews were attempting to takeover the world, that they were behind every war and used others to fight (in Germany's case, the Bolsheviks/Russia were controlled by Jews, as was America). Invariably, your postings on conspiracies invariably involve a similar motif, except substitute the word Zionist for Jews. So if you look at your postings, you hint that Zionists did 9/11 to get America to fight wars on their behalf in so that Israel can become the dominant nation and rule the world. You hint that Zionists helped massacre the people in Norway and that they were behind the murders in France by Merah. In short, you believe that Zionists are behind every war/terrorist attack, using others to fight so that they can rule the world.

You can see why I used the word anti-semitism because the language you use is frighteningly similar.

I'm still not sure what the definition of a Zionist is, which I think is important in this debate, and having had a look on the internet, can find different definitions which make a big difference.

Having read your posts, and your response, on balance, I don't think you're anti-semitic (a crackpot yes, but then, I know you think that I'm a "sheeple"). As Webbo said in an early post, I think that you've read a lot of websites without asking the question and looking at what the author of the website's agenda is. A lot of the imagery used regarding Zionist conspiracies and world domination are as I've said above, frighteningly similar to the imagery and propaganda lies used by the Nazis against the Jews.

[BoneDog]

You make some fair ponts and I did think about this a bit yesterday. I can see how parts of what I've written could be construed as plain offensive and some maybe racist. For example, even though I don't believe Merah was the shooter I shouldn't have jumped to some of the conclusions that I did regarding who was responsible for the France shootings with nothing to back it up. Very insensitive at the least.

Yes I believe that a number of zionists were involved in 911, but also that a number of non zionist Americans were involved too, and then even more from across the globe who are also not zionists. I obviously don't think that the citizens of Israel were involved or in the know, or that more than a tiny fraction of the worlds zionists were in the know. But I'm sure that a few of the most powerful did know. I can't see how they couldn't have known, as I can't see how the most powerful of American, British and some other governments and intelligence agencies from around the world couldn't have known. It was surely, at the very least, allowed to happen. The pre-911 trading shows that people in high places knew. And the $2.3 trillion that was announced missing on Sep 10th is another clue, especially as the accounting office was directly hit the very day after the announcement and the files related to the missing $2.3 trill were destroyed in the attack, along with 35 of the Pentagon civilian workers who were at their desks investigating it. Therefore, in my opinion, the announcement was just a sick joke and 911 wasn't just allowed to happen, but was planned and executed by people in very high places.

One other thing. When I said that the term 'Jewish State' is racist, I take that back because I'm not against Nationalism per se, I just disagree with how the Israeli governments and some citizens have gone, and continue to go about it.

[Jaspa]

Seeing as you knew about 'Nufff' Empty

Have you checked out this Youtube channel ?

http://www.youtube.com/user/aodscarecrow?feature=g-all-u

[James.]

The pre-911 trading shows that people in high places knew. And the $2.3 trillion that was announced missing on Sep 10th is another clue

Much of the trading related to wider strategies that would actually have lost money or broke even.

The 2.3 trillion was announced months earlier.

[Zingari]

Much of the trading related to wider strategies that would actually have lost money or broke even.

The 2.3 trillion was announced months earlier.

not according to the date on this cbs report

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7904516028875682825

also

Buzzy Krongard was the executive director of the CIA on 9/11. His past ties to the investment firm which placed most of the extraordinarily high volume of "put options" on United and American Airlines stocks the week before the attacks is one of many strange "coincidences" unexplained by the official story of what happened

[James.]

not according to the date on this cbs report

http://video.google....516028875682825

also

Buzzy Krongard was the executive director of the CIA on 9/11. His past ties to the investment firm which placed most of the extraordinarily high volume of "put options" on United and American Airlines stocks the week before the attacks is one of many strange "coincidences" unexplained by the official story of what happened

But you can't just take a purchase of put options in isolation. For example one significant purchase of United put options was made in conjunction with an equivalent purchase of American Airlines shares - this is a trading strategy that will benefit from the relative underperformance of United compared to American. After 9/11 both stocks got battered so the strategy wouldn't really have made much money.

As for the 2.3 trillion on the 9/11 myths website there are links to media reports from March 2000, August 2000, January 2001, February 2001, June 2001 and July 2001 clearly mentioning this amount.

[Zingari]

But you can't just take a purchase of put options in isolation. For example one significant purchase of United put options was made in conjunction with an equivalent purchase of American Airlines shares - this is a trading strategy that will benefit from the relative underperformance of United compared to American. After 9/11 both stocks got battered so the strategy wouldn't really have made much money.

As for the 2.3 trillion on the 9/11 myths website there are links to media reports from March 2000, August 2000, January 2001, February 2001, June 2001 and July 2001 clearly mentioning this amount.

Ah ok, I’ll take your word for that , and I’ve always considered it to be one of the less easily followed problems of the 911 report anyway ,but suffice to say that it seemed the FBI were sufficiently interested in the suspicious dealings when they thought there may be an Al Queada link ,but when the trail led to Krongaard , they didn’t see as suspicious anymore .

But as I say, I really don’t understand it enough to say anymore about it .

About the date on the CBS news report , it does say “10^th sept 2001” on the screen at the beginning though and I realise that there may have been some sort of official announcements some time prior to this , but it does seem odd for it to be on main stream TV on that day too.

Was this massive missing trillions story in the public consciousness prior to this date ?

[Zingari]

What happened to the investigation into the missing trillions after 911 ?

Did we ever find out where the money went ?

If we didn't , why not ?

[Guest Basildon Fox]

You will have to excuse me if this is a bit of a thick thing to say but surely if it was a controlled explosion on WT7 and "The Man" didn't want people to find out, they would have made the collapse look more like a collapse and less like a controlled explosion to throw people off the scent.

[Zingari]

You will have to excuse me if this is a bit of a thick thing to say but surely if it was a controlled explosion on WT7 and "The Man" didn't want people to find out, they would have made the collapse look more like a collapse and less like a controlled explosion to throw people off the scent.

Could you make a tree felled by lumberjacks look haphazard and not done deliberately?

A controlled demolition is totally reliant on expertly placed charges doing their job in a very carefully and expertly planned sequence, and any haphazard use of charges will have the effect of an unknown result. The building may not even collapse at all if it’s not total.

There are times when the experts get it just “slightly wrong” and the results can be surprisingly different to total collapse when everything is “just right”

A controlled demolition can’t really be made to look like anything other than a controlled demolition in the same way a bullet through the brain can’t be made to look like death by natural causes.

The only way to cover up either of these crimes is to destroy the evidence, and guess what ……..?

Wrong thread btw