WW3 On The Way - Sensationalist Alert!

[breadandcheese]

That is why I am highly critical of Israel. Yet no-one else realises this. I do hope that Palestine becomes a member of the UN as it would cause a shit storm . USA will in no doubt throw its dummy out of the pram.

Oh and the reason why all US administration supports Israel is the same reason its anti Castro. Funding and votes.

So if I read this right from your quoting of Nightguard (and please correct me if I've got it wrong), you hate Israel because of the Old Testament, but the Jewish people you don't hate. What are your thoughts on Jewish people following the Old Testament outside Israel?

Firstly, I'm not sure Nightguard is quite accurate about the Old Testament (from what I remember of the Good News Bible back at school), but then I'm not an avid reader so can't say with certainty. What I can say with certainty is that you can't rely on a holy book as an indicator of people. If you were to read the gospel of John in the New Testament, you'd think that all Christians view Jews as an enemy that they want to kill. Similarly, if you followed historical Catholic and Christian teachings, you'd believe the Crusades and the need to invade the "holy" land. Patently, this is ridiculous. There aren't many Christians who have the same views as Christians from the Middle Ages and believe the need to kill Jews and Muslims.

With regards the US administration. Is it entirely ridiculous to believe that America decides its foreign policy on what it believes to be right?

[Rincewind]

I never took much notice of the bible before starting to read some tweets on twitter. A lot of quotes were put on there. Since then I have found a site www.evilbible.com which is full of quotes and tbh it has surprised me at how much hatred is inthe book. There is a lot of tribal wars and people like Moses are instucted how to deal with various people. I am not anti-Israeli people. I was questioning how much support they would get because of the Americans love of religion I am sure the majority of Israelis do not support the extremists as a lot are living in poverty and any war would not help them. They would probably suffer more. It is leaders who start wars not the people. The people follow because they are told to or because of propaganda.

I would put all the world leaders in a field and let them fight to the death until there is one or less standing.

[breadandcheese]

I never took much notice of the bible before starting to read some tweets on twitter. A lot of quotes were put on there. Since then I have found a site www.evilbible.com which is full of quotes and tbh it has surprised me at how much hatred is inthe book. There is a lot of tribal wars and people like Moses are instucted how to deal with various people. I am not anti-Israeli people. I was questioning how much support they would get because of the Americans love of religion I am sure the majority of Israelis do not support the extremists as a lot are living in poverty and any war would not help them. They would probably suffer more. It is leaders who start wars not the people. The people follow because they are told to or because of propaganda.

I would put all the world leaders in a field and let them fight to the death until there is one or less standing.

The question is how many people follow any holy book word for word? Very few that I know. The Bible talks about the illegality of homosexuality and killing them, yet I'm sure I read in the Telegraph that Tel Aviv is one of the most gay friendly cities in the world, so Israel can't follow Old Testament that closely. Same here really, not many people in the UK follow the Bible that closely, despite the UK being a Christian country.

Edit: yep, quick search on the internet reveals Tel Aviv won best gay city in 2011 because of its liberal attitudes.

[Webbo]

I never took much notice of the bible before starting to read some tweets on twitter. A lot of quotes were put on there. Since then I have found a site www.evilbible.com which is full of quotes and tbh it has surprised me at how much hatred is inthe book.

Did the title of the site not give you a clue Ken?

[Rincewind]

Did the title of the site not give you a clue Ken?

Yes I meant before I went there. I use it as a daily quote on Tumblr to counter the bible quote tag page thats on there. I was always aware that the book contained a lot of hypocrisy and contradictions but never before studied it. I was a leave them to it person. But now I like to have a dig now and again. Fills up my spare time and gets me a lot of likes.

[BoneDog]

"The Jew seeks domination not only among the German people but among all peoples." - Julius Streicher (founder of Der Sturmer a anti-semitic Nazi propaganda newspaper). The quote is from a speech he made in Germany in 1924.

"And then Israel (the Jewish state) will rule the world" - El Empty, from his quote above.

Spot the difference?

El Empty, in the past, I've thought you've scraped close to anti-semitism with your comments, but your comment above is not scraping close to the bone, it is firmly anti-semitic and should be called out as such. I'm not even sure why you're anti-semitic as racism in any form is abhorrent.

Oh please quit with your anti-semite claims. What I said is that Israel is going to be the next world power. How is that racist in any way? Time will prove me correct. You won't have to wait long to see.

The USA has been the dominating world power for nearly 100 years. I have criticised some of their actions many times. That is not racist. Britain was the dominating world power before the USA for a much longer time and there are plenty of things to criticise about that reign too, as the documents regarding Africa released this year have shown. Criticising governments, world leaders and political groups for their actions is not racist.

There are many books on my bookshelf written by Jewish people. I own other items that are made by Jewish people that I have paid for with my own money, so I am not anti-Jewish in the slightest. I don't like the word anti-semite as it is pretty meaningless, especially in the context that you are using it. If I was a real anti-semite I would be hating Palestinians, Arab Jews and others in the area, because they are all semites.

And I see that you added the words 'Jewish State' in brackets after I said Israel. There are many Jewish people who don't support the forced creation of a Jewish state, nor the actions that have followed. I think they have a point. Why should Jewish people whose families have lived in the USA, Russia, Britain and many other countries for a thousand years or more have the right to move themselves to a land that none of their ancestors in a thousand years have ever lived in, and at the same time force people who have lived there for a thousand years out of their homes and into refugee camps? The simple answer is they shouldn't.

Most of the Jewish people in Israel don't want war, just like most of the people in Iran don't want war. But they are being pushed into major confrontation by leaders who thrive on destruction. (my last sentence is a bit harsh on Ahmadinejad as he has caused far less destruction that any Israeli leader I can think of)

As for the quote of Julius Streicher you mentioned, if only he had said 'a few of the Jews', instead of 'Jews' he would have been correct. You do know that Israeli citizens are in charge of the Federal Reserve and have power over Congress don't you? Most people know that if they check facts. They are already well on their way to domination.

Of course, Streicher could also have said 'A few Catholics', or 'A few Communists' and he would also have been correct as there are many secret groups bent on world domination, it just happens that the Zionists are winning.

[BoneDog]

Oh yes, I nearly forgot. The term 'Jewish State' is racist if you ask me. If I wanted to start a 'White State', or 'Christian State' I would be lambasted.

[BoneDog]

It is if you say there is a secret Jewish conspiracy that is running the world for the benefit of Israel.

Blummin heck Webbo, surely you do realise that there are many secret conspiracies around the world, even Jewish ones? I know that the lunatic fringe try to deny their existence. Ever heard of the P2 lodge, for example? They were notorious, and there are many more like them. You must have heard of Knights Templar, now called the Masons? How about the Jesuit order? All very real and powerful and not at all totally peaceful.

You probably think the masons are a nice friendly group because Steve nextdoor or Dave from The Nags Head are involved and go down the lodge every Tuesday night. Well, Steve and Dave are only level 1, 2 or 3 numpties like most of them. Numpties thirsting for secret knowledge they are never going to get as they won't ever get above level 3. It's the level 32 and 33 people who are the schemers fighting for power, not the level 1, 2 and 3 numpties we all know. Two of my family were level 13 and above in two different orders so I do know a bit about it from what they left behind.

[BoneDog]

Is it entirely ridiculous to believe that America decides its foreign policy on what it believes to be right?

L O L

I've just had an idea for an epic (in my view) new thread

[BoneDog]

When you start criticising Israel on the basis that there is a secret plot to conquer the world and form an empire, then yes, that is anti-semitic.

No it isn't.

If people hundreds of years ago criticised the British for plotting to create an empire were they racist? No they weren't, they were speaking truth.

Edit : Oh, and I haven't criticised Israel for plotting anything, I simply stated that I believe that they will be the next superpower. I'm actually looking forward to Israel being the world superpower and want it to happen soon as it will mean we are one step closer to the return of the main man. Plus, on a selfish note, I will then also be able to high five myself and think of all the nay sayers.

[Webbo]

Blummin heck Webbo, surely you do realise that there are many secret conspiracies around the world, even Jewish ones?

There are criminal conspiracies obviously and some of those criminals maybe Jewish or Muslim or Masons or Christian or Atheist but they are not worldwide. They don't control the govts of major countries.

I don't think you're a racist but I think you've been took in by racist propaganda.

[BoneDog]

I'm not anti any religion and I have stood up for religion on here many times.

I can vouch for this, I have noticed Webbo sticking up for religion many times. I do agree with Adam1's other points though! The guy talks snese.

Somebody has been smoking again.

No, somebody hasn't smoked green for a while now. And I've never smoked normal fags, just the green.

[BoneDog]

There are criminal conspiracies obviously and some of those criminals maybe Jewish or Muslim or Masons or Christian or Atheist but they are not worldwide. They don't control the govts of major countries.

I don't think you're a racist but I think you've been took in by racist propaganda.

I must disagree with the point in bold. Cameron and Blair, for example, are both well known to be at the top level of Masonry. There is actually a lodge inside parliament. And many US presidents are openly known to be 33rd degree masons in the history books.

Back to the subject of the thread, I've got to admire the optimism of the 66.67% who believe that it isn't going to happen!

[Bert]

Because it had been burning for hours and stood next to two big buildings that had already collapsed

What about the video of the first plane Flying into it?

[BoneDog]

I think a continued series of bush-fire type wars, where the indiginous population are the catlyst and much of the resource for war is more likley than a cross-continent conflagration, it suits the major powers this way. As I said before, Israel can change all that with pre-emptive strikes on anything it sees as a threat to its security, nothing would unite the arab/muslim world more than and Israeli first strike on a brother state.

You are definitely one of the most sensible posters on FT regarding these issues! As for the pre-emptive strike, I think that is the most likely thing to spark this, along with a false flag terror attack. I think that Egypt is being set up for destruction and I wouldn't like to be in Cairo or other Egyptian cities in the near future. Those people are in big trouble, which is a shame especially after all they've fought for recently. An Israeli pre-emptive strike will likely be on Egypt or Iran, possibly both. The US is supporting, and continuing to financially back, extreme elements of the Muslim Brotherhood (who, according to many people are the muslim arm of masonry) and the Egyptian military and I think that it is going to backfire. Whether that is deliberate or not will be down to interpretation.

Mrs has just said I've got to go shop, back soon Raw Dykes for your question.

[Guesty]

Surely sooner or later there will be another world war its inevitable. You've just got to look to the past to see that theres always war. I could see America as they start to fade as a world power kick off. They've sort of bullied countries and economies because they've had so much power but sooner or later Russia and China etc are gonna be like 'we ain't takin your crap anymore.' Not sure how the US will handle that.

Of course it could just be a massive accident, I saw some programme on bbc a while back saying we've nearly had nuclear war a few times by accident. One time the US left a training tape in the machine, it started playing and they were like a minute from launching on Russia till they/someone remembered they'd left the tape in. Another time Russia did a similair thing and if Yeltsin had followed his protocals he should have launched nuclear missiles, all his generals were telling him to fire. It literally got to the point where they had all the secret codes out the safes ready to use. Luckily Yeltsin must have not been too drunk that day and said no this ain't right they've have no reason and phoned the president (bit risky cause hes hardly gonna tell you the truth if he is).

[Raw Dykes]

Mrs has just said I've got to go shop, back soon Raw Dykes for your question.

Thanks, El Empty. I thought my comment might have been buried before you got to read it.

[BoneDog]

Why do you think this? Who wants this? Why? How do you think this could possibly happen?

What golden age do you mean?

This is where religion comes in.

I only believe that Israel will be the next superpower because of the religious texts that I believe are being fulfilled before our eyes. I think it's pretty clear to see that there is going to be a shift in world power. Many don't mention Israel in the possibilities but I believe that, somehow, power is headed their way, and that Israel's territory is going to expand and cover land from The Nile to The Euphrates. Many people think that Israel would not survive a major war, but I think the opposite (maybe with the help of the US and others of course).

As for who wants this, I don't know, apart from maybe the government of Israel and their supporters in parts of the world. Maybe they don't want it and don't even think about it.

The Golden Age is just a short period of time that starts a number of decades after WW3 and the ensuing skirmishes, with no war or fighting. That's what the religions say (even Hinduism, Buddhism and others believe that this happens in cycles) and my thought is that one way it could happen is because, at that time, most fighting aged men might have been wiped out. It's all down to how you interpret it though and there are countless reasons it could happen, another being that all citizens and soldiers that are left in the world by then have had enough war for a while and just say 'enough is enough'. That last option sounds a bit hippified so probably won't be the case!

So, to summarise, there are two possible versions (some will say there's only one possible because the version I suggest is not gonna happen as there is no such person as Jesus and that people like me are fools ) of a post WW3 world - there is what I've suggested where Israel becomes the world superpower, and there is the version that people like Webster Tarpley and other analysts talk about where they don't mention religion and everything carries on as 'normal' afterwards with either the USA, China, Russia, Britain or India etc as the superpower. I can't personally see India being a superpower after a WW3 as I think they'll be in the middle of it as was Europe in WW2 and WW1, but who knows. I know that Germany built up a formidable war machine after the devastation of WW1, but that was only with the help of certain American and British businessmen. (Tarpley explains this in detail in his book 'George Bush : The Unauthorized Biography'). I don't think that India would get the same help after WW3.

I suggest the version I believe in will take place! Although, like most, I'd rather that WW3 doesn't happen at all. And I'd rather, that if Israel is to somehow take control of world power, then that transition takes place in a peaceful manner!

[Raw Dykes]

I'll start off by saying that I don't really know an awful lot about politics or history, and I expect you're far more clued up about these subjects than myself. I am interested in science, and I'm fascinated by religion, even though I think they're all as wacky as each other.

This is where religion comes in.

I only believe that Israel will be the next superpower because of the religious texts that I believe are being fulfilled before our eyes. I think it's pretty clear to see that there is going to be a shift in world power. Many don't mention Israel in the possibilities but I believe that, somehow, power is headed their way, and that Israel's territory is going to expand and cover land from The Nile to The Euphrates. Many people think that Israel would not survive a major war, but I think the opposite (maybe with the help of the US and others of course).

I do believe that a big factor in the formation of Israel is fulfilling Bible prophecy. It's in Christians' and Jews' interests for there to be a Jewish state (I hope that term's not offensive - apparently, Israel is defined as a Jewish and Democratic State in its basic laws) in the so called holy land, because it's predicted in the Bible that this would happen (in order for Jesus' second coming, Judgement day, or the end times to happen, I think). I know some Christians will even tell you that the Bible must be the word of God, because Israel exists, and therefore the Bible contains real prophecy. This is misinformed, however, because it's the other way around. It's not the case that the people who wrote the Bible could see into the future, it's actually the people who formed Israel read the Bible, and wanted it's predictions to be accurate, so created Israel. It's the equivalent of ordering steak in a restaurant, and then receiving steak. Is ordering that steak prophecy, or was the waiter wishing to fulfill that prophecy?

You touched on the reason I don't believe that Israel is a potential superpower. I think they're far too reliant on help from elsewhere. I don't believe Israel has anywhere near the manpower or resources to even dream of domination. Imagine the USA decided to stop aiding them. I doubt they'd survive for very long without allies. It's a very small nation with hostile enemy states on all its borders. Maybe with help from its allies, Israel can prosper, but the superpower would always be the allies, and not Israel itself.

As for who wants this, I don't know, apart from maybe the government of Israel and their supporters in parts of the world. Maybe they don't want it and don't even think about it.

The Golden Age is just a short period of time that starts a number of decades after WW3 and the ensuing skirmishes, with no war or fighting. That's what the religions say (even Hinduism, Buddhism and others believe that this happens in cycles) and my thought is that one way it could happen is because, at that time, most fighting aged men might have been wiped out. It's all down to how you interpret it though and there are countless reasons it could happen, another being that all citizens and soldiers that are left in the world by then have had enough war for a while and just say 'enough is enough'. That last option sounds a bit hippified so probably won't be the case!

As nice as that would be, I can't see it happening. It's in our nature to fight. We're only apes, after all. I mean, there's always been war, ever since technology allowed it. That's a bit of a downer, I know. Just my humble opinion Of course, world peace is possible in theory, it's just that I can't see it happening any time soon.

I'm fairly sure you implied there had already been a golden age. Were you referring to something specific?

So, to summarise, there are two possible versions (some will say there's only one possible because the version I suggest is not gonna happen as there is no such person as Jesus and that people like me are fools )

For the record, I'm not sure whether Jesus was real or not, but I am sure there was nothing magic about him if he did exist. Miracles are impossible by definition.

of a post WW3 world - there is what I've suggested where Israel becomes the world superpower, and there is the version that people like Webster Tarpley and other analysts talk about where they don't mention religion and everything carries on as 'normal' afterwards with either the USA, China, Russia, Britain or India etc as the superpower. I can't personally see India being a superpower after a WW3 as I think they'll be in the middle of it as was Europe in WW2 and WW1, but who knows. I know that Germany built up a formidable war machine after the devastation of WW1, but that was only with the help of certain American and British businessmen. (Tarpley explains this in detail in his book 'George Bush : The Unauthorized Biography'). I don't think that India would get the same help after WW3.

I suggest the version I believe in will take place! Although, like most, I'd rather that WW3 doesn't happen at all. And I'd rather, that if Israel is to somehow take control of world power, then that transition takes place in a peaceful manner!

I'd say that another world war is a possibility, but I just can't see how Israel could possibly take control of world power. It's a very small nation, with a population about the size of London*, and it's not especially wealthy, or at the forefront of technology, or anything like that. As I said earlier, Israel is heavily reliant on the USA, and the thought of Israel overpowering the USA is ludicrous for a start. I just think it's way too far fetched, but I'd be interested to know if anyone could try to convince me otherwise.

*Edit: I just checked, and the population of Israel is very nearly exactly the same as London's. 7,859,300 and 7,825,200, respectively.

[BoneDog]

As nice as that would be, I can't see it happening. It's in our nature to fight. We're only apes, after all. I mean, there's always been war, ever since technology allowed it. That's a bit of a downer, I know. Just my humble opinion Of course, world peace is possible in theory, it's just that I can't see it happening any time soon.

I agree that it's almost impossible to envisage a Golden Age and the only reason I believe it will happen is because I have faith in the religions (all of them that mention it) prophecies becoming reality in some way.

But, if there is no Creator as many believe, then it won't ever happen. We'll probably destroy ourselves first - with the help of science!

I'll reply to the other points but it might take a while.

[Rincewind]

Well I'm a non-believer and I think the only way there can be peace is if we ditch religion and take the secular route. Once people start treating others as human beings not on their status sect religion or which of the 3000 gods they pray to the better.

Using writing from a centuries old book written by tent dwellers a basis to build a future is ridiculous. We should be focusing on the here and now. But it won't happen because there are still too many relying on old ancient guidelines to rule their lives.

[OzFox]

Well I'm a non-believer and I think the only way there can be peace is if we ditch religion and take the secular route. Once people start treating others as human beings not on their status sect religion or which of the 3000 gods they pray to the better.

Amen to that

[Zingari]

I never thought I’d say this , even up to a few months ago , but science is the new religion used by elite to control the masses .

This is not to say all science is used this way , in the same way all religion was never used that way . I’d agree that for the most part, both are used for good.

But there’s a certain element of both religion and science that uses esoteric language and gobbledegook that tries and usually succeeds in convincing the masses of almost anything.

[Rincewind]

[Webbo]

Well I'm a non-believer and I think the only way there can be peace is if we ditch religion and take the secular route. Once people start treating others as human beings not on their status sect religion or which of the 3000 gods they pray to the better.

Using writing from a centuries old book written by tent dwellers a basis to build a future is ridiculous. We should be focusing on the here and now. But it won't happen because there are still too many relying on old ancient guidelines to rule their lives.

Well atheist states like China or the old East Germany certainly have a lot to teach us about human rights.