Benji Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 exactly, the only people that should care are those with something to hide! 133797[/snapback] TELL us all about your life? no? why not, you dont mind the government knowing... 133821[/snapback] k what you want to know? i apologise for not being a coward shying away from wanting something done against the protection of our country
Babylon Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 Surely if having something like ID card saves 1 innocent life we shouldn't really care that they know we shop in sainburys and have semi skimmed milk on ou breakfast.As i have said before they can know everything about me for all I care. My life isn't that exciting!!! 133792[/snapback] Hows an i.d card going to save a life? 133816[/snapback] People can get "flagged" this means your on a list suspicious people they want to keep track of. If having ID cards means suspicious activity is made easier to pick up then it could save lives. ie. Someone called Omah bin-terrorist having flying lessons or buying 10 tonnes of sun flower seeds, they will get flagged and tracked!
Babylon Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 He wants to take away your rights and civil liberties and change the relationship between the State and the individual and the net result of all of this is your are less free as an individual and you have no real or effective protection. 133787[/snapback] Surely if having something like ID card saves 1 innocent life we shouldn't really care that they know we shop in sainburys and have semi skimmed milk on ou breakfast. As i have said before they can know everything about me for all I care. My life isn't that exciting!!! 133792[/snapback] Cards offer no protection. 133802[/snapback] You cannot make a sweeping judgement that they won't save one life. 133804[/snapback] Correspondingly no-one can make the assumption they will. 133807[/snapback] I didn't... I said "IF". 133810[/snapback] Will they or won't they then. Postulating that they may or indeed may not under certain circumstances save one life is a pretty poor justification for having ID cards. There are better ways of spending the money if you truly want to protect and save people. 133817[/snapback] How do I know they definately will until I know the ins and outs of what the cards are used for? Like I said IF they are used in a way which can help then yes we should have them.
Steven Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 Surely if having something like ID card saves 1 innocent life we shouldn't really care that they know we shop in sainburys and have semi skimmed milk on ou breakfast.As i have said before they can know everything about me for all I care. My life isn't that exciting!!! 133792[/snapback] Hows an i.d card going to save a life? 133816[/snapback] terrorist may be caught with a false one, prevented carrying out their act and thus saving a life sounds simple and a stupid thing, but could happen, to deny it would be foolish 133819[/snapback] Funny that, I feel a whole lot safer now that scenario has been explained to me. In your reply you already have the seeds of where to spend the money better, more police on the ground, better immigration checks and also the dangers of a card as clearly it means people are being hassled for their card if a false one is discovered whilst being carried. So only British people or people resident in Britain are going to commit acts like those today.
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 Allow who into the country? They don't get in with passports stamped "terrorist", or wearing t-shirts saying "I'm a human bomb, don't let me in".If people are determind enough you cannot stop them no matter what you do. 133743[/snapback] Would an Englishman terrorise London in the name of jihad? 133803[/snapback] Yes and Fifth Columnists like that should be ruthessly rooted out. 133805[/snapback] No true Englishman or woman would fight against us in the name of jihad. The fith columnists are anti English.
Steven Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 exactly, the only people that should care are those with something to hide! 133797[/snapback] TELL us all about your life? no? why not, you dont mind the government knowing... 133821[/snapback] k what you want to know? i apologise for not being a coward shying away from wanting something done against the protection of our country 133826[/snapback] As yet you have said nothing which comes close to protecting our lives. You have called for more of the same and that is the situation we are in now. We need new and better ways of thinking.
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 What a load of paranoid claptrap!!Haven't you heard of Brent Crude? 133809[/snapback] Explain what you mean about `paranoid claptrap`? Who`s brent crude?
Benji Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 Surely if having something like ID card saves 1 innocent life we shouldn't really care that they know we shop in sainburys and have semi skimmed milk on ou breakfast.As i have said before they can know everything about me for all I care. My life isn't that exciting!!! 133792[/snapback] Hows an i.d card going to save a life? 133816[/snapback] terrorist may be caught with a false one, prevented carrying out their act and thus saving a life sounds simple and a stupid thing, but could happen, to deny it would be foolish 133819[/snapback] Funny that, I feel a whole lot safer now that scenario has been explained to me. 133832[/snapback] he asked a simplton question so got a just reply
Benji Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 exactly, the only people that should care are those with something to hide! 133797[/snapback] TELL us all about your life? no? why not, you dont mind the government knowing... 133821[/snapback] k what you want to know? i apologise for not being a coward shying away from wanting something done against the protection of our country 133826[/snapback] As yet you have said nothing which comes close to protecting our lives. You have called for more of the same and that is the situation we are in now. We need new and better ways of thinking. 133836[/snapback] no, that is because i have already said there is little else that can be done, and i'm not typing that all out agian, just read back similarly you have just argued against i.d. cards? what sort of 'We need new and better ways of thinking' then? it must be something obvious that millions are missing
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 terrorist may be caught with a false one, prevented carrying out their act and thus saving a lifesounds simple and a stupid thing, but could happen, to deny it would be foolish 133819[/snapback] are you serious? if someone wants to kill another, there not going to wait for a bloody card for permission this is the mentallity as to why a w@nker like blair is able to force his way into presidency (pm to you) cos theres alot of people that dont understand the political process, and believe him, so sad.
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 exactly, the only people that should care are those with something to hide! 133797[/snapback] TELL us all about your life? no? why not, you dont mind the government knowing... 133821[/snapback] k what you want to know? i apologise for not being a coward shying away from wanting something done against the protection of our country 133826[/snapback] I want you to tell me all about you, your finger print details, iris shot, personal bank details, health records NI number, how much you earn, you get the picture? Or i could buy them off blair and use them against you, which do you prefer?
Benji Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 terrorist may be caught with a false one, prevented carrying out their act and thus saving a lifesounds simple and a stupid thing, but could happen, to deny it would be foolish 133819[/snapback] are you serious? if someone wants to kill another, there not going to wait for a bloody card for permission this is the mentallity as to why a w@nker like blair is able to force his way into presidency (pm to you) cos theres alot of people that dont understand the political process, and believe him, so sad. 133844[/snapback] sorry chancellor lush, care to explain the political system to us all then in full detail? The only sad fact is that in a democratic society, the man elected is still condemed by the people. If he is a dictator then why hasn't he got rid of the voting system altogether? whats next, persectution?
Benji Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 exactly, the only people that should care are those with something to hide! 133797[/snapback] TELL us all about your life? no? why not, you dont mind the government knowing... 133821[/snapback] k what you want to know? i apologise for not being a coward shying away from wanting something done against the protection of our country 133826[/snapback] I want you to tell me all about you, your finger print details, iris shot, personal bank details, health records NI number, how much you earn, you get the picture? Or i could buy them off blair and use them against you, which do you prefer? 133850[/snapback] But what difference does that make? i'd be surprised if they didnt already know all of that!
Molson Canadian Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 i'd have to say the uk gives too many rights to new people coming into the country... it seems like anyone can claim political asylum and stay in the uk.... i'm not targeting any particular groups but i must say that some people who do come into the uk tend to take advantage of the rights they are given compared to the rest. THe uk is going to strengthen there policy on just taking in almost anyone...with that policy terrorists will not come into the county as easily it is almost certain now that al queda has taken responisbilty for the london bombings and there is no doubt that members of that group most probobly came into the UK like millions of others each year and were able to slip through the cracks i'm sorry to say this but i think this should be a big wake up call too all of us not just the people of the UK that we need to take bigger measures against terrorism even if the measures seem harsh and unjust it has to be done because terrorists don't play by the rules and if we play by the rules they will just keep on doing what they do
Babylon Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 terrorist may be caught with a false one, prevented carrying out their act and thus saving a lifesounds simple and a stupid thing, but could happen, to deny it would be foolish 133819[/snapback] are you serious? if someone wants to kill another, there not going to wait for a bloody card for permission this is the mentallity as to why a w@nker like blair is able to force his way into presidency (pm to you) cos theres alot of people that dont understand the political process, and believe him, so sad. 133844[/snapback] Your missing the point.... of course it won't stop all attacks but If it stopped one that's enough. These people have probably been in the country for ages if them having a card helps them get "flagged" then it's done it's job.
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 People can get "flagged" this means your on a list suspicious people they want to keep track of. If having ID cards means suspicious activity is made easier to pick up then it could save lives. 133829[/snapback] Youve been flagged...now you say `could`. You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying maybe we will place our i.d card on someone whos dieing and it will make them better again shall we look through the round window today bungle
Benji Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 People can get "flagged" this means your on a list suspicious people they want to keep track of. If having ID cards means suspicious activity is made easier to pick up then it could save lives. 133829[/snapback] Youve been flagged...now you say `could`. You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying maybe we will place our i.d card on someone whos dieing and it will make them better again shall we look through the round window today bungle 133860[/snapback] i thought u were crazy from previous posts but now you've really lost it mate
Babylon Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 exactly, the only people that should care are those with something to hide! 133797[/snapback] TELL us all about your life? no? why not, you dont mind the government knowing... 133821[/snapback] k what you want to know? i apologise for not being a coward shying away from wanting something done against the protection of our country 133826[/snapback] I want you to tell me all about you, your finger print details, iris shot, personal bank details, health records NI number, how much you earn, you get the picture? Or i could buy them off blair and use them against you, which do you prefer? 133850[/snapback] So the government will use having those details against us?? What they going to do, ban tesco stocking crunchy nut cornflakes because they know I eat them for breakfast.
Babylon Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 People can get "flagged" this means your on a list suspicious people they want to keep track of. If having ID cards means suspicious activity is made easier to pick up then it could save lives. 133829[/snapback] Youve been flagged...now you say `could`. You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying maybe we will place our i.d card on someone whos dieing and it will make them better again shall we look through the round window today bungle 133860[/snapback] What the fock are you talking about? If you are going to debate at least type posts that make sense. Some poxy first year hippy student who has read a few books and thinks he has all the answers.
Benji Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 People can get "flagged" this means your on a list suspicious people they want to keep track of. If having ID cards means suspicious activity is made easier to pick up then it could save lives. 133829[/snapback] Youve been flagged...now you say `could`. You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying maybe we will place our i.d card on someone whos dieing and it will make them better again shall we look through the round window today bungle 133860[/snapback] What the fock are you talking about? If you are going to debate at least type posts that make sense. Some poxy first year hippy student who has read a few books and thinks he has all the answers. 133863[/snapback] come on mate, i'm not even a first year, still doing a levels and seem to have same just as you hehe
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 terrorist may be caught with a false one, prevented carrying out their act and thus saving a lifesounds simple and a stupid thing, but could happen, to deny it would be foolish 133819[/snapback] are you serious? if someone wants to kill another, there not going to wait for a bloody card for permission this is the mentallity as to why a w@nker like blair is able to force his way into presidency (pm to you) cos theres alot of people that dont understand the political process, and believe him, so sad. 133844[/snapback] sorry chancellor lush, care to explain the political system to us all then in full detail? The only sad fact is that in a democratic society, the man elected is still condemed by the people. If he is a dictator then why hasn't he got rid of the voting system altogether? whats next, persectution? 133853[/snapback] the political system is such, when you have a blagger (blair) and you have millions people that are too lazy to say no to him, he wins and kills innocent people. the deal is to make people aware of him (as im trying to do) so hes removed.
lush Posted 7 July 2005 Author Posted 7 July 2005 exactly, the only people that should care are those with something to hide! 133797[/snapback] TELL us all about your life? no? why not, you dont mind the government knowing... 133821[/snapback] k what you want to know? i apologise for not being a coward shying away from wanting something done against the protection of our country 133826[/snapback] I want you to tell me all about you, your finger print details, iris shot, personal bank details, health records NI number, how much you earn, you get the picture? Or i could buy them off blair and use them against you, which do you prefer? 133850[/snapback] But what difference does that make? i'd be surprised if they didnt already know all of that! 133856[/snapback] And you dont mind..? the difference is, they can sell your personal details with a card that confirms it all. Youve gota be against that/them surely?
Babylon Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 People can get "flagged" this means your on a list suspicious people they want to keep track of. If having ID cards means suspicious activity is made easier to pick up then it could save lives. 133829[/snapback] Youve been flagged...now you say `could`. You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying You dont know what your saying maybe we will place our i.d card on someone whos dieing and it will make them better again shall we look through the round window today bungle 133860[/snapback] What the fock are you talking about? If you are going to debate at least type posts that make sense. Some poxy first year hippy student who has read a few books and thinks he has all the answers. 133863[/snapback] come on mate, i'm not even a first year, still doing a levels and seem to have same just as you hehe 133866[/snapback] You have your own opinions though benji. I get the feeling from him is that he is just spouting other peoples opinions that he has either read, or discussed in the common room with the other hippies.
Babylon Posted 7 July 2005 Posted 7 July 2005 exactly, the only people that should care are those with something to hide! 133797[/snapback] TELL us all about your life? no? why not, you dont mind the government knowing... 133821[/snapback] k what you want to know? i apologise for not being a coward shying away from wanting something done against the protection of our country 133826[/snapback] I want you to tell me all about you, your finger print details, iris shot, personal bank details, health records NI number, how much you earn, you get the picture? Or i could buy them off blair and use them against you, which do you prefer? 133850[/snapback] But what difference does that make? i'd be surprised if they didnt already know all of that! 133856[/snapback] And you dont mind..? the difference is, they can sell your personal details with a card that confirms it all. Youve gota be against that/them surely? 133869[/snapback] Sell it to who? and for what purpose? you numb nuts!!!
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