stourbridgefox Posted 20 May 2012 Posted 20 May 2012 I was in a Russian prison once. I only got out when I hit a guard with a brick and then this bloke called Reznov helped me. I had to ride some conveniently placed motorcycles while being shot at before finally escaping by jumping on a train while Reznov created a diversion. I think this happened...I remember it...
Daggers Posted 20 May 2012 Posted 20 May 2012 I remember thinking when someone pinched my ladder last year "at least no one at the Sun is listening to Hugh Grant's phone messages" I'm still annoyed that you managed to get off the fvcking roof. A total waste of my afternoon.
lavrentis Posted 20 May 2012 Posted 20 May 2012 I was in a Russian prison once. I only got out when I hit a guard with a brick and then this bloke called Reznov helped me. I had to ride some conveniently placed motorcycles while being shot at before finally escaping by jumping on a train while Reznov created a diversion. I think this happened...I remember it... You're ****ed.
Guest Posted 20 May 2012 Posted 20 May 2012 Looks can be deceptive. Don't you agree? Extreme statements made which encourage discussion help in the understanding. As I say my knowledge has been greatly enhanced (though sadly not but your input yet.) That's not how it comes across... My input? I can't add to what some of the others have put. Punishment is not a deterrent. Every person who goes through the system is different. Some people need help, not punishment. That includes some of those who are committing the most heinous of crimes. On the other hand, some of those who commit the least serious of crimes can sometimes be the worst type of person. There's no one size fits all solution, but the systems that treat criminals like humans are the most effective. At least give them a chance.
Guest Posted 20 May 2012 Posted 20 May 2012 That's not how it comes across... My input? I can't add to what some of the others have put. Punishment is not a deterrent. Every person who goes through the system is different. Some people need help, not punishment. That includes some of those who are committing the most heinous of crimes. On the other hand, some of those who commit the least serious of crimes can sometimes be the worst type of person. There's no one size fits all solution, but the systems that treat criminals like humans are the most effective. At least give them a chance. Kill them all then!
stourbridgefox Posted 20 May 2012 Posted 20 May 2012 Through my work I know a lot of young people who have gone to prison. Some of them deserve to be breaking rocks and others I feel really sorry for. Almost all have had very poor starts in life though.
davieG Posted 24 May 2012 Author Posted 24 May 2012 BBC A record number of offenders sentenced for serious crimes had committed previous offences, according to figures for 2011. Almost 90% of those sentenced last year in England and Wales had offended before - and a third had committed or were linked to 15 or more crimes. Re-offending rates were highest among serious offenders who had been jailed. Ministry of Justice officials say the figures show a "clear trend" of a rising re-offending rate. The figures show that 44% of those jailed last year had at least 15 previous convictions or cautions - some 38,000 offenders overall. In 2001, fewer than 30% of those sent to jail had the same number of previous convictions. Taking all offenders together, not just those who were jailed, the figures show that a third had 15 or more previous convictions - approximately 102,000 people. The Ministry of Justice figures also show an increase in average prison sentences and a rise in the use of cautions for sex offences. Separate figures show that one in eight offenders who pleaded guilty on or after the first day of a trial received the maximum sentence discount possible, of a third or more.
Rincewind Posted 24 May 2012 Posted 24 May 2012 Can mean more than one thing. depending on your POV. Crime rate has gone up. Crime rate the same but more getting caught More offenders are being jailed More people turning to crime because of the economic situation. Butlins are fully booked up.
Guest Posted 24 May 2012 Posted 24 May 2012 Ministry of Justice officials say the figures show a "clear trend" of a rising re-offending rate. FIF says the figures show that Prisons don't work.
Nick Posted 24 May 2012 Posted 24 May 2012 That's not how it comes across... My input? I can't add to what some of the others have put. Punishment is not a deterrent. Every person who goes through the system is different. Some people need help, not punishment. That includes some of those who are committing the most heinous of crimes. On the other hand, some of those who commit the least serious of crimes can sometimes be the worst type of person. There's no one size fits all solution, but the systems that treat criminals like humans are the most effective. At least give them a chance. It's fair to say I really do miss Lisa's posts........ it's just so strange to see an accurate, balanced and proportionate viewpoint in such a thread.
Captain... Posted 24 May 2012 Posted 24 May 2012 BBC A record number of offenders sentenced for serious crimes had committed previous offences, according to figures for 2011. Almost 90% of those sentenced last year in England and Wales had offended before - and a third had committed or were linked to 15 or more crimes. Re-offending rates were highest among serious offenders who had been jailed. Ministry of Justice officials say the figures show a "clear trend" of a rising re-offending rate. The figures show that 44% of those jailed last year had at least 15 previous convictions or cautions - some 38,000 offenders overall. In 2001, fewer than 30% of those sent to jail had the same number of previous convictions. Taking all offenders together, not just those who were jailed, the figures show that a third had 15 or more previous convictions - approximately 102,000 people. The Ministry of Justice figures also show an increase in average prison sentences and a rise in the use of cautions for sex offences. Separate figures show that one in eight offenders who pleaded guilty on or after the first day of a trial received the maximum sentence discount possible, of a third or more. Where are we building our idyllic prison/rehabilitation/holiday Island? I vote the falklands.
Rincewind Posted 24 May 2012 Posted 24 May 2012 What are rated as serious crimes? It could just mean that what was considered minor offences before the courts are being tougher with. I would say that people do not generally commit crimes in order to get caught. Their original thought process would be that if they were not caught their lifestyle may improve including being able to walk further than a trip around an exercise yard. But as most offenders have a low IQ they inveterately are caught and whilst inside if not being taught a trade or learning how to read associate with other equally intelligent inmates to discuss and compare notes as to why they are residing in a prison instead a life of lunary.
Daggers Posted 24 May 2012 Posted 24 May 2012 What are rated as serious crimes? Talking about fashion or celebrity adoptions on News programs, poor grammar and complaining about the weather.
davieG Posted 24 May 2012 Author Posted 24 May 2012 Talking about fashion or celebrity adoptions on News programs, poor grammar and complaining about the weather. They would be anus crimes!
steveherbe Posted 24 May 2012 Posted 24 May 2012 Where are we building our idyllic prison/rehabilitation/holiday Island? I vote the falklands. Can I vote for Hull?
Captain... Posted 24 May 2012 Posted 24 May 2012 Can I vote for Hull? I don't think Hull is an Island, maybe we could gather all the criminals there then cut it adrift of the mainland, although if we are doing that then maybe it would be better to start with Liverpool.
Rincewind Posted 24 May 2012 Posted 24 May 2012 Liverpool would be a good starting point. Would not have to transport them far. Save on fuel cost and replacing tyres when stopped at traffic lights.
Guest Posted 24 May 2012 Posted 24 May 2012 I don't think Hull is an Island, maybe we could gather all the criminals there then cut it adrift of the mainland, although if we are doing that then maybe it would be better to start with Liverpool. But to fit them into Liverpool you'd have to move other criminals out.
Rincewind Posted 24 May 2012 Posted 24 May 2012 Just build a wall around Liverpool that'll do the trick
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