What are the leaves/Flowers in the city badge?

[Smudge]

Finners had it right all along it comes from four Earls of Leicester and their family emblems.

The cinqfoil is the the emblem of the Beaumont family.

The black sleeve belongs to the Hastings family

The plume is that of John o Gaunt

And the two tailed white lion is that of Simon de Montfort

[Finnegan]

Finners had it right all along it comes from four Earls of Leicester and their family emblems.

The cinqfoil is the the emblem of the Beaumont family.

The black sleeve belongs to the Hastings family

The plume is that of John o Gaunt

And the two tailed white lion is that of Simon de Montfort

[Guest]

Finners had it right all along it comes from four Earls of Leicester and their family emblems.

The cinqfoil is the the emblem of the Beaumont family.

The black sleeve belongs to the Hastings family

The plume is that of John o Gaunt

And the two tailed white lion is that of Simon de Montfort

At my old secondary school the form houses were Beaumont, Tudor, Demontfort and Brierley (not sure of the spelling) what is the relevance of this last one to Leicester? I must have once known but can't remember now.

[davieG]

He used to own a cheap as chips department store down Belgrave Gate in the 60's ended up in goal I believe.

[Webbo]

At my old secondary school the form houses were Beaumont, Tudor, Demontfort and Brierley (not sure of the spelling) what is the relevance of this last one to Leicester? I must have once known but can't remember now.

If that's Soar Valley I'm not sure we had a DeMontford, I seem to remember Brook but I could be wrong.

[davieG]

We had Clarendon, Victoria, Welford and Knighton.

[Finnegan]

Rothley had Bradgate, Becon, Swithland and... the other one. Can't remember.

Stonehill were far more creative, North, South, East, West.

[Guest]

If that's Soar Valley I'm not sure we had a DeMontford, I seem to remember Brook but I could be wrong.

I wasn't sure about Demontfort but I can't remember brook.

Brierley were yellow., Tudor - Red?, Beaumont green? leaves blue I guess. Memory is worse than I thought.

[Guest]

I guess it could be brook - thinking of the badge. Brierley the lion, tudor the rose, Beaumont the cross?

[flowwolf]

It's a town and it's in Northamptonshire.

Correct it is and has always been in Northamptonshire. Fotheringay castle was the family seat of Richards father also called Richard the Duke of York who was killed at Wakefield along with Richards elder brother Edmund by Lancastrians, Edmund being only 17 and personally dispatched by the Lord Clfford an ardent Lancastrian on the bridge leading into Wakefield.

Fotheringhay castle was also the site where Mary Queen of Scots was executed for treason in the great hall there on the 8th of February 1587.

In all medieval transcripts and later in Elizabethan transcripts the place of Fotheringay is indisputably given as Nothamptonshire.

[Webbo]

I guess it could be brook - thinking of the badge. Brierley the lion, tudor the rose, Beaumont the cross?

I think Brook was the black bar across the badge.

I was in Beaumont, we were the crappest house at everything but we were just about to win the house thing for the first time ever when the new headmaster scrapped the house system.

[Guest]

Mellor - rings a bell.

[Webbo]

Mellor - rings a bell.

That was my first junior school.

[Saxondale]

Loving how a thread about heraldry has reached four pages in a day.

[Finnegan]

Loving how a thread about heraldry has reached four pages in a day.

Nerd power. \o/

[Guest]

Loving how a thread about heraldry has reached four pages in a day.

sorry - I know it's in the football forum.

[Zingari]

At my old secondary school the form houses were Beaumont, Tudor, Demontfort and Brierley (not sure of the spelling) what is the relevance of this last one to Leicester? I must have once known but can't remember now.

Frank Brierley had a big shop on Belgrave Gate opposite the old CO-OP hall near the flyover

it was one of the first stack em high sell em cheap stores

Anyone remember Brierleys ?

[davieG]

He used to own a cheap as chips department store down Belgrave Gate in the 60's ended up in goal I believe.

Frank Brierley had a big shop on Belgrave Gate opposite the old CO-OP hall near the flyover

it was one of the first stack em high sell em cheap stores

Anyone remember Brierleys ?

Beat you to it, we're like a couple of old fogeys (sp) forever saying I remember when

[Zingari]

Beat you to it, we're like a couple of old fogeys (sp) forever saying I remember when

Sorry , I missed that

Did you go in there? i seem to remember you could by off the peg suits for about 5 shillings or something like that.

I always remember him standing on the staircase in the middle of the shop with a loud speaker telling everyone which were the best bargains

He reminded me of Fagin from Oliver Twist

[stourbridgefox]

I think people are being bit pedantic about certain things here. The War of the Roses is called the War of the Roses, regardless of whether the symbols are cinquefoils or roses.

County boundaries are also probably a little more defined now than they were in the 15th Century. Leicester was a far more important place than was Northampton at the time.

Just having a quick look for corroborating evidence and it is difficult to find definite answers to what the white rose means. I suspect the link with Richard of York is the best answer. It is also what I teach in school and it is good enough for Ofsted so what are you lot moaning about!

[davieG]

Sorry , I missed that

Did you go in there? i seem to remember you could by off the peg suits for about 5 shillings or something like that.

I always remember him standing on the staircase in the middle of the shop with a loud speaker telling everyone which were the best bargains

He reminded me of Fagin from Oliver Twist

Yes a few times, I was total brassic (sp) around that time, just bought a house and had a very young family so was always on the look out for 'bargains'

I think the Fagin thing is apt as I'm sure he was done for handling stolen goods. I think when he was released he just started up again. I believe he started out in Northampton.

[1964FOX]

Yes a few times, I was total brassic (sp) around that time, just bought a house and had a very young family so was always on the look out for 'bargains'

I think the Fagin thing is apt as I'm sure he was done for handling stolen goods. I think when he was released he just started up again. I believe he started out in Northampton.

My mam often took me in brierleys, great shop, as Zingari says an old fashioned discount store. Can remember them selling varieties of crisps that no where else did - very important to a boy of my age.

[Guest]

Frank Brierley had a big shop on Belgrave Gate opposite the old CO-OP hall near the flyover

it was one of the first stack em high sell em cheap stores

Anyone remember Brierleys ?

Remember it well but I'm pretty sure that's not why our school house had the name.

[Langley]

Richard the III.

Born 2 October 1452 at Fotheringay Castle in Northamptonshire.

Last Yorkist King of England. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/richard_iii_king.shtml)

Battle of Bosworth:

"In 1485, back in France, the Lancastrian pretender received fresh financial aid for a rebellion – and just as importantly, promises of support from several leading Welsh land owners. Thus encouraged, he set off to invade England with a force of 2,000 French mercenaries and his own little band of followers led by the Earl of Oxford and Jasper Tudor. The invasion force landed in Pembrokeshire on 7 August and besieged Dale Castle before heading inland looking for the promised support.

Through his spies Richard had been aware of the planned invasion for some time and had chosen to await it at Nottingham, hoping to make the most of the town’s location in central England to reach the rebels quickly wherever they landed. As is became apparent that the invasion was near, the powerful Lord Stanley asked leave of Richard to go home to his estates. Rightly suspecting his motives – Stanley had already secretly promised support to Tudor, who was a relation through marriage – the king ordered Stanley to leave his son behind, making him a hostage for his father’s good behavior.

Upon receiving news of the rebels’ landing, Richard sent orders to his captains to muster their men and meet him at Leicester. Despite his custody of Lord Stanley’s son, the former and his brother Sir William made no attempt to stop Tudor as he passed through Wales, nor to join Richard with his army, gravely confirming what suspicions the king already had. While the Duke of Norfolk and his son, the Earl of Surrey were ever loyal, the results from his other captains were not very encouraging either. Richard learnt though his friends in York that Henry Percy, Earl of Northumberland was not recruiting properly, while many other men, tired of war and its dangers simply ignored the royal summons." (http://www.wars-of-the-roses.com/content/battles/bosworth_field.htm)

My guess on why there is a Tudor rose on the Crest due to the historical importance of a defining battle of the mid-15th Century by a Yorkist King who's own emblem was a tudor rose which took place close to the city mixed with an animal which is closely associated with the geographical area.

[stourbridgefox]

But it's a white rose.