Legacy - Olympics

[LcFc_Smiv]

While I agree with a lot of stuff that has been said so far, I don't believe it has been all about 'winning'. During coverage of many events through the Olympics, athletes were congratulated on beating their PB's, performing to their best was shown as a great achievement, whether they won or not. The likes of Ennis, Farah, Murray will always take a spotlight within the media, they bring ratings up, they sell papers, they will bring people into sport. At the moment we want to get people involved in some form of physical activity, the numbers are low, we're very inactive as a nation, making the medalists the poster boys and girls is the easiest way of getting people of the sofa and doing some form of physical activity. Yes sport is not just about winning, but unfortunately it's the winning that will help to get people involved. Of course every athlete who worked so hard for four years and competed at the games deserve to have the spotlight on them, and they do receive a lot of attention, however it won't be on the front page or the first story on the news. It's not fair how it is, but when we start getting people involved, then we can begin to educate them on how it is not winning that is important but performing to the best of your capability, or at a level where you can be happy with yourself.

[Guest BlueBrett]

Sure participation is to be encouraged and hopefully the Olympics will have an impact in that respect but ultimately sport is about winning. I don't want to live in a society where we feel the need to pat all the little triers on the head and say oh well done sweetie. I say good for you to anyone who gets involved in stuff but ultimately it is achievement that I admire.

[Guest]

agreed ; I'm fookin brilliant at not being good at anything and it's time i got the recognition i deserve

It's much harder to put all the work in and Never win than when you put the same work in and get a gold medal. Your type deserve to be lauded and enthused to continue as much as people like me that win everything.

[MooseBreath]

We should ban the word 'loser' and just have a series of colour coded winners. Infact we should ban losing altogether. All sports should end in draws where everybody wins. Never mind the fact that competitiveness is fundamental to sporting competitions. That's another word I hate - competition. Why should we compete against each other? We should only allow sports where players work together towards a common goal.

[Guest]

Sure participation is to be encouraged and hopefully the Olympics will have an impact in that respect but ultimately sport is about winning. I don't want to live in a society where we feel the need to pat all the little triers on the head and say oh well done sweetie. I say good for you to anyone who gets involved in stuff but ultimately it is achievement that I admire.

I can't agree. Sport ISN'T about winning. Winning is just one facet of sport. I wouldn't want to live in a society where those who don't win - which basically is 99% or more of the competitors are riduculed or ignored. That's probably why people are becoming more and more inactive. Achievement for you is only winning - that's a sad narrow view of the world. Achievement could be getting your fat ass off the sofa to spend some communal time kicking a ball with your mates, it could be playing badminton with your kid - sharing family time. Sport is about Mental and Physical healthiness. Stress reduction, team work, social skills and so much more. I'm not saying don't applaud the winners, I'm saying you have no winners without the multitude of losers. Sport should be about TAKING PART and too many of us have forgotten that.

We should ban the word 'loser' and just have a series of colour coded winners. Infact we should ban losing altogether. All sports should end in draws where everybody wins. Never mind the fact that competitiveness is fundamental to sporting competitions. That's another word I hate - competition. Why should we compete against each other? We should only allow sports where players work together towards a common goal.

You are an idiot WUM and I haven't read past the first sentence you wrote.

[MooseBreath]

I was just taking the unrealistic whimsy of this thread to its logical conclusion

[Guest]

The likes of Ennis, Farah, Murray will always take a spotlight within the media, they bring ratings up, they sell papers, they will bring people into sport.

I realise that you are agreeing with what I'm saying but just wanted to add to this. It's a true comment but without coaches and volunteers and facilities then these "stars" don't bring anyone into the sport.

Daly Thompson was more "massive" than Ennis but the nation has only become more sedentary since he won his Gold and that's down to govt policies and people's priorities.

[Guest]

I was just taking the unrealistic whimsy of this thread to its logical conclusion

Shame we can't take your life to its logical conclusion. kicked to death in a dirty gutter.

[MooseBreath]

Shame we can't take your life to its logical conclusion. kicked to death in a dirty gutter.

Oh come on. You're trying to apply all this soft as shite academic style theory to a simple problem. This is the exact kind of thinking that costs the public sector millions and millions every year through mind numbing inefficiency. Then when you get criticised you come out with actually quite aggressive abuse, not only betraying your true personality but also highlighting how weak your entire wardrobe really is.

[purpleronnie]

We should ban the word 'loser' and just have a series of colour coded winners. Infact we should ban losing altogether. All sports should end in draws where everybody wins. Never mind the fact that competitiveness is fundamental to sporting competitions. That's another word I hate - competition. Why should we compete against each other? We should only allow sports where players work together towards a common goal.

[Guest BlueBrett]

Achievement for you is only winning - that's a sad narrow view of the world. Achievement could be getting your fat ass off the sofa to spend some communal time kicking a ball with your mates, it could be playing badminton with your kid - sharing family time.[/color]]

Sorry but that is not achievement and if you start telling people that it is then standards will slip and complacency will set in. Like I said, participation should be encouraged but let's not start championing mediocrity.

[Guest]

Oh come on. You're trying to apply all this soft as shite academic style theory to a simple problem. This is the exact kind of thinking that costs the public sector millions and millions every year through mind numbing inefficiency. Then when you get criticised you come out with actually quite aggressive abuse, not only betraying your true personality but also highlighting how weak your entire wardrobe really is.

Your ignorance astounds me.

Adults don't take up sport to win.

And FYI you didn't critisize me you just posted your normal brainless WUM crap and I used your theme to complete my own. I despise your online persona and the thought of your death brought a smile to my face.

[Big Dave]

The non-medalists need to be lauded.

Change your cultural thinking.

Sport is not about being the best in the world.

I don't need to change my thinking. If people do not get the recognition for winning, there is no desire for others to achieve.

I do not accept your earlier point that those who did not win medals were denigrated. I watched countless interviews where athletes had done their very best, put every ounce of effort in, did not make the finals or win medals, but were lauded for their efforts.

I think that you are missing the point a little in your original post. People winning medals aspires future generations. This helps to set the seeds for people to take up the sports in the first place. People who did not win medals or did not make medals were not denigrated, I believe they were lauded, and rightly so.

I think we will have a great legacy as a result of the Olympics. We now have some fantastic facilities, people have witnessed new sports, and we have champions that youngsters want to emulate.

[MooseBreath]

Your ignorance astounds me.

Adults don't take up sport to win.

And FYI you didn't critisize me you just posted your normal brainless WUM crap and I used your theme to complete my own. I despise your online persona and the thought of your death brought a smile to my face.

Ok. I think i'll call you Ned Flanders from now on.

[Guest]

Sorry but that is not achievement and if you start telling people that it is then standards will slip and complacency will set in. Like I said, participation should be encouraged but let's not start championing mediocrity.

You are championing non-participation. When you watched the paralympics did you still think that achievement was only winning?

Achievement is doing something that you previously couldn't do or doing something that you could do, better, or doing something that you can do more efficiently or ...

Achievement is millions of things.

Without mediocrity in many you can't have your champions. Mediocrity itself is just a measure of the average, so mediocrity for many will be better than others.

It's your attitude which feeds the Monday moan in. I feel sorry for those who will only accept winning for they shall forever lose.

[MooseBreath]

Isn't it also a bit hypocritical for you to be saying we should try to use the success of the Olympics for our benefit after you bemoaned how the build up to it was "sickening"? Or did you forget how much you used to hate it all?

[Guest]

I don't need to change my thinking. If people do not get the recognition for winning, there is no desire for others to achieve.

I do not accept your earlier point that those who did not win medals were denigrated. I watched countless interviews where athletes had done their very best, put every ounce of effort in, did not make the finals or win medals, but were lauded for their efforts.

I think that you are missing the point a little in your original post. People winning medals aspires future generations. This helps to set the seeds for people to take up the sports in the first place. People who did not win medals or did not make medals were not denigrated, I believe they were lauded, and rightly so.

I think we will have a great legacy as a result of the Olympics. We now have some fantastic facilities, people have witnessed new sports, and we have champions that youngsters want to emulate.

I have never said NOT to laud winners, so I don't see your argument.. We should but we should also laud those they beat , who do their best and make it a competition in the first place.

And you're missing the point. If medals aspire future generations why do we have a society of fat, sofa sitting loafers? We have a long history of medal winning and champions why haven't they been inspired? Opportunities, facilities, coaches and volunteers are what have been missing not sporting heroes.

If those are not in place the "youngsters" will move onto whatever is in the infotainment news next week. And if you think those are in place you ought to get out more - like out of the country and see what other countries do.

[Guest]

Isn't it also a bit hypocritical for you to be saying we should try to use the success of the Olympics for our benefit after you bemoaned how the build up to it was "sickening"? Or did you forget how much you used to hate it all?

Do you enjoy comparing the incomparable?

There is no inconsistency in bemoaning the boring daily build up to the olympics and what I am saying now. Sometimes I forget that you are a fool as well as a WUM.

[Guest BlueBrett]

You are championing non-participation. When you watched the paralympics did you still think that achievement was only winning?

Achievement is doing something that you previously couldn't do or doing something that you could do, better, or doing something that you can do more efficiently or ...

Achievement is millions of things.

Without mediocrity in many you can't have your champions. Mediocrity itself is just a measure of the average, so mediocrity for many will be better than others.

It's your attitude which feeds the Monday moan in. I feel sorry for those who will only accept winning for they shall forever lose.

Firstly I think it is pretty clear from both of my posts that I am not championing non-participation.

You may feel sorry for me all you like but thankfully I'm not in need of your pity. Personally I think it's far more appropriate to pity people like you who seem afraid to measure themselves against an objective standard and instead feel compelled to pat themselves on the back because "I did really well..for me". One thing is for sure and that is that there is no room for inferiority complexes in sport.

I understand your point about the paralympics but it doesn't really lend any weight to your argument. The whole point of the classification system is to provide people with the opportunity to compete (and yes by that I do mean try to beat) against people in similar situations.

Just so you don't get any more confused I will reiterate once more that engagement is OBVIOUSLY important and a key message of the games. However if people stop striving to be the best the whole thing loses all of its credibility and to my mind it loses its appeal as well.

[Zingari]

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[Corky]

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Good competition, I'd say a draw, both winners, no losers.

[Captain...]

Firstly I think it is pretty clear from both of my posts that I am not championing non-participation.

You may feel sorry for me all you like but thankfully I'm not in need of your pity. Personally I think it's far more appropriate to pity people like you who seem afraid to measure themselves against an objective standard and instead feel compelled to pat themselves on the back because "I did really well..for me". One thing is for sure and that is that there is no room for inferiority complexes in sport.

I understand your point about the paralympics but it doesn't really lend any weight to your argument. The whole point of the classification system is to provide people with the opportunity to compete (and yes by that I do mean try to beat) against people in similar situations.

Just so you don't get any more confused I will reiterate once more that engagement is OBVIOUSLY important and a key message of the games. However if people stop striving to be the best the whole thing loses all of its credibility and to my mind it loses its appeal as well.

But think of a martial art, you don't need to compete and win competitions to feel like you have achieved something, you do that by progressing through the classifications and earning different belts.

Or consider the London marathon for the majority it is not race, it is not about where you finish but just that you do. I think this is the point fif is making.

[Guest]

Firstly I think it is pretty clear from both of my posts that I am not championing non-participation.

You may feel sorry for me all you like but thankfully I'm not in need of your pity. Personally I think it's far more appropriate to pity people like you who seem afraid to measure themselves against an objective standard and instead feel compelled to pat themselves on the back because "I did really well..for me". One thing is for sure and that is that there is no room for inferiority complexes in sport.

I understand your point about the paralympics but it doesn't really lend any weight to your argument. The whole point of the classification system is to provide people with the opportunity to compete (and yes by that I do mean try to beat) against people in similar situations.

Just so you don't get any more confused I will reiterate once more that engagement is OBVIOUSLY important and a key message of the games. However if people stop striving to be the best the whole thing loses all of its credibility and to my mind it loses its appeal as well.

Is English your first language?

Obviously sport is about competing. It's also about competing at your level. I think a few of you are too simple to realise that playing to win and being happy to have competed and lost are not mutually exclusive. But I understand why you moan so much in the football forum when Leicester don't win every game.

[Guest]

But think of a martial art, you don't need to compete and win competitions to feel like you have achieved something, you do that by progressing through the classifications and earning different belts.

Or consider the London marathon for the majority it is not race, it is not about where you finish but just that you do. I think this is the point fif is making.

Your London Marathon is a fantastic example - thanks.

The people arguing against what I'm saying also seem to be thinking ONLY of kids being brought into sport. It's just as important to get ADULTS into sport. Not only will that be good for the state of the nation but there is evidence that more children participate in sport because of family involvement than because of gold medals won at an Olympic games.

[Big Dave]

Good competition, I'd say a draw, both winners, no losers.

It was the taking part that counted.