You're jailing me for taking handbag and £25?

[Parafox]

Started to notice this a little bit more lately, something certainly seems to have happened.

Tory-ism

[Guest MattP]

Tory-ism

Possible, locking thieves and muggers up and allowing people to defend themselves.

Tory bastards.

[Parafox]

Possible, locking thieves and muggers up and allowing people to defend themselves.

Tory bastards.

On the negative side... so much... but, denying young people under the age of 25 a place of their own to live.

[Guest MattP]

On the negative side... so much... but, denying young people under the age of 25 a place of their own to live.

Really? is that the actual policy?. No Under 25's can buy a house?

Or is it we are not going to pay for Under 25's to have their own house and instead we'll try and work towards better options of them staying with parents etc

[ADK]

Probably just the way it's being reported. For example this lad wasn't locked up for strealing £25 but for assualting a vulnerable old lady.

[Guest MattP]

On the negative side... so much... but, denying young people under the age of 25 a place of their own to live.

Out of interest when did society get a point when under 25's actually came to believe they have the right to a subsidised house for themselves?

[Parafox]

Out of interest when did society get a point when under 25's actually came to believe they have the right to a subsidised house for themselves?

Not all of them do Matt. Some need to though because home-life is unbearable.

[ADK]

Out of interest when did society get a point when under 25's actually came to believe they have the right to a subsidised house for themselves?

I think part of the objection is suggesting 25 should be some kind of cut off. Why is a 26 year old automatically more deserving of a home than a under 25? It dosn't make alot of sense to tackle the problem (if there is one) this way. Rather than have quotas or cut offs, lets see if we can enact some sort of societal change to lesson the problem. If someone really needs a bed then they will end up homeless and if they didn't need it then they didn't need it no matter what their ages is.

[Guest MattP]

Not all of them do Matt. Some need to though because home-life is unbearable.

Who pays for this? You can't seriously tell me we are going to lumber the tax payers with a bill for probably hundreds of millions of pounds because a few under 25's dont get on with their parents?

What happens when they turn 26?

If I'm skint on the last weekend before payday and I want a few beers I have to stay and and wait until the week after, I wouldn't expect to walk into the pub and expect the richest guys in their to pick up my tab.

[Parafox]

Not all of them do Matt. Some need to though because home-life is unbearable.

Also they plan to reduce housing benefits to what the government considers to be the equivalent of Single Room Rent Allowance (SRRA or SRA).

This means single people on housing benefit will only get that amount of SRRA regardless of the rent they have to pay now which is subsidised by housing benefits. Effectively this means pay up the shortfall to your landlord or get out. The difference between SRRA and full rent is alarming and way beyond what single people on housing benefit would be able to afford.

Anyway this is getting off-topic.

[leicsmac]

Out of interest when did society get a point when under 25's actually came to believe they have the right to a subsidised house for themselves?

True enough. Shouldn't be a right.

Would be nice if housing was actually in any way shape or form affordable for young first time buyers though. The housing market is horribly, horribly overinflated for a variety of reasons - something has to give. Besides, wasn't owning your own home a conservative guiding light not too long ago? Prices for a decent house shouldn't be 6/7x the average salary, for goodness sake.

Either build more houses and encourage business in more areas or put restrictions on buying multiple homes (there are far better things to invest in).

On the OP - the guy robbed an old lady, and clearly has zero remorse for his actions. As people have mentioned, there are far easier and less objectionable ways to get food. Three years seems a bit much though.

[Guest MattP]

Also they plan to reduce housing benefits to what the government considers to be the equivalent of Single Room Rent Allowance (SRRA or SRA).

This means single people on housing benefit will only get that amount of SRRA regardless of the rent they have to pay now which is subsidised by housing benefits. Effectively this means pay up the shortfall to your landlord or get out. The difference between SRRA and full rent is alarming and way beyond what single people on housing benefit would be able to afford.

Anyway this is getting off-topic.

Get ready for more of it and worse, that's what happens when you run out of money.

Wait until the real austerity starts (we are still spending more than we bring in now) and the Police Force, NHS etc are being cut down properly and we can't afford to give people a penny who don't work.

Always been the problem with Socialism, you eventually run out of other people's money.

[Parafox]

Get ready for more of it and worse, that's what happens when you run out of money.

Wait until the real austerity starts (we are still spending more than we bring in now) and the Police Force, NHS etc are being cut down properly and we can't afford to give people a penny who don't work.

Always been the problem with Socialism, you eventually run out of other people's money.

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I'm beginning to think you're actually a bit of a pr1ck.

Still I guess you're as entitled to your "views" as I am

[Guest MattP]

I'm a **** because I realise one day the country might run out of cash?

Ok.

[Parafox]

I'm a **** because I realise one day the country might run out of cash?

Ok.

Don't you woory about it. You're clearly keen to keep all your cash for yourself and sod anyone who is on shit street.

[Jon the Hat]

Also they plan to reduce housing benefits to what the government considers to be the equivalent of Single Room Rent Allowance (SRRA or SRA).

This means single people on housing benefit will only get that amount of SRRA regardless of the rent they have to pay now which is subsidised by housing benefits. Effectively this means pay up the shortfall to your landlord or get out. The difference between SRRA and full rent is alarming and way beyond what single people on housing benefit would be able to afford.

Anyway this is getting off-topic.

The fact that this limit is not already in place is part of the reason for rent inflation in the first place.

[Parafox]

The fact that this limit is not already in place is part of the reason for rent inflation in the first place.

Agreed, but now it's being imposed retrospectively. Kind of stable door, bolting horse situation.

[Guest MattP]

Don't you woory about it. You're clearly keen to keep all your cash for yourself and sod anyone who is on shit street.

All my cash? I'm far from being a rich man believe me.

But yes I do prefer to keep the vast majority of my earnings to spend on myself.

Maybe I should quit what I do and sit around drinking lager and claiming all day, you know, be a bit less selfish.

[leicsmac]

I'm a **** because I realise one day the country might run out of cash?

Ok.

Nah mate, you stick to your guns and you can put a decent argument together. You just display a certain lack of empathy for people who (just occasionally) deserve it. Note the 'just occasionally' there: I dislike Jeremy Kyle fodder as much as you do, possibly more.

Someone has to speak for those who don't have a voice and help those who can't help themselves, and yes, these people DO exist (though not in as big numbers as some people would have you believe). If we let Darwin do the work and let them fall by the wayside, then what are we? Aren't we better than that? Or should we just let the standard rules of evolution apply to humans as well as every other animal on this planet?

The fact that this limit is not already in place is part of the reason for rent inflation in the first place.

Fair enough. But as these benefits decrease, rent charged must also do so proportionally. That would have the same effect as having put a limit on a while ago.

[Thracian]

Hmm... the Tories plan to reduce or remove support allowances from thousands of genuinely disabled (mostly elderly) people?

On the one hand the paralympics are used to stress just what the disabled are capable of - on the other hand you make out they can't look after themselves.

Some can't, but there are many thousands who just milk the system cos they're able to, not because they need to and anytime you want me to point a few out just come down to Leicester City centre and I'll oblige.

Labour let the something-for-nothing benefits culture get out of hand and opened the floodgates to endless millions being given in benefits even for those who often cost us millions in the courts defending their positions.

Right across the board it has to end and one thing's for sure - the Labour party were/are never going to do it.

[ADK]

Where is this actual evidence of "many thousands" of disabled people "who just milk the system" i swear this place reads very similar to pages from a Nazi-era German school textbook. If the government wants so much for the disabled to contribute more to society then they need to explore options such as subsidising work for the disabled.

[21st Century Fox]

Yeah may as well close the work schemes for the disabled and help them individually..... no wait.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18785219

[Rincewind]

I think some need to spend time within organization like Action Homeless and Shelter to rid themselves pof misconceptions. But they will not because they do not want to change their views or opinions. Even if they lived within the system they would not change If you disagree go and speak to these people. If you have documented evidence (newspapers do not count) that they are wrong go and show them.

It is easy to sit in an ivory tower throwing bricks at slums.

[Rincewind]

http://dnoleicester....cumentary-date/

Az and Mo’s documentary film “Homeless†is to be shown as part of Community Media Week on Monday 12th November, at Phoenix Square, Screen 3 (30 seater), from 6:00 pm to 7:00 pm.

Az and Mo, who posed as homeless street people to gather stories and make their point, will be there there to answer questions.

All the doubters should be there.

[Guest BlueBrett]

http://dnoleicester....cumentary-date/

Az and Mo’s documentary film “Homeless†is to be shown as part of Community Media Week on Monday 12th November, at Phoenix Square, Screen 3 (30 seater), from 6:00 pm to 7:00 pm.

Az and Mo, who posed as homeless street people to gather stories and make their point, will be there there to answer questions.

All the doubters should be there.

Those 2 stopped and interviewed me about homelessness on the Southbank a few months ago. Any idea where the film might be? I can only see the Leicester one