Bert Posted 5 December 2012 Posted 5 December 2012 On a serious note, why aren't we bringing through our own players from the Academy? We have a good academy now with excellent facilities. Is it serving any purpose re. Developing players who can compete for first team football? Schlupp excepted, but most people on here were more than happy to be sending him out on loan at the start of the season. For the simple reason they're not good enough yet. Let them develop in their u21 games whilst keeping their feet on the ground. Schlupp and Moore who could easily still be in the development squad are two prime examples of youth players being played when they're ready.
TrentFox Posted 5 December 2012 Posted 5 December 2012 Can't be arsed to trawl through pages and comments so far, (so apologies if someone else has already suggested this), but if it's going to be 15 minute cameos for Lingard, then surely Gally is more likely to have a positive impact on a game from the bench with proven ball-striking ?
Bettsj2 Posted 5 December 2012 Posted 5 December 2012 Can't be arsed to trawl through pages and comments so far, (so apologies if someone else has already suggested this), but if it's going to be 15 minute cameos for Lingard, then surely Gally is more likely to have a positive impact on a game from the bench with proven ball-striking ? We really need to stop the boo boys though.
Captain... Posted 5 December 2012 Posted 5 December 2012 I guess that's fair enough Shrap... What seems to happen at City however, and this is under various managers, is that very few players seem to come through the Academy and then really cement a first team, established position. I can only think of King? Take Moore, for example... I reckon Pearson will usually play RDL if fit and Moore probably won't see a lot of first team football again this season. I'm not knocking this. It just seems to be a feature of the club. But that is the same at most clubs, look at RDL, Marshall, Drinkwater, James all came through the united Academy, were probably very successful as an academy, but were never going to break into the first team. It is a feature of football nowadays and, in my opinion, it has come about with the change of rules over foreigners, the premiership becoming the most lucrative league in the world, so not only can we buy any young foreign talent, we can actually afford to and they want to come. If it was still the 3 foreigners rule I think we would see a lot more successful academy products make it, here and at other clubs. The other thing that has had a big impact on it is the transfer windows, thus necessitating bigger squads as they need to be able to have a squad that is tactically flexible, able to cope with injuries and loss of form for 4 months. Before all this you had a squad of about 15 first teamers and any short term injuries would mean you bring in a youth teamer on the bench, any long term injuries and you bought someone.
Leicester_Numan Posted 6 December 2012 Posted 6 December 2012 Does it meanwe have a chance of signing them on a permanent deal?! I think NP wants to buy them in January but Keane is highly rated at Utd so I doubt they'd let him go cheap, if at all. You never know though.
THEBIGJOHNSTEADER; Posted 6 December 2012 Posted 6 December 2012 Pearson has allegedly told both players that he is not going to wash his dirty nob until they break into the Man United first team. This is why he gets the best out of players IMO
Alexikokopops Posted 6 December 2012 Posted 6 December 2012 I don't mind them being here but I don't want either of them to play unless we need it. Lindgard is without doubt a lesser player than Waghorn and Nugent and I'm sure most people would agree when I say that Vardy and Futacs are also more effective than him. Lindgard isn't a striker.
Fox4ever76 Posted 6 December 2012 Posted 6 December 2012 Cant see either of them being used anyway..especially keane as he's still one or two weeks from match fitness 👋
indierich06 Posted 6 December 2012 Posted 6 December 2012 I guess that's fair enough Shrap... What seems to happen at City however, and this is under various managers, is that very few players seem to come through the Academy and then really cement a first team, established position. I can only think of King? Take Moore, for example... I reckon Pearson will usually play RDL if fit and Moore probably won't see a lot of first team football again this season. I'm not knocking this. It just seems to be a feature of the club. Are there any clubs where this happens on a regular basis? It seems to be a feature of most clubs. The only club I can think of which consistently produces talented players for its' first team is Crewe. I would count Southampton, but they seem to sell all theirs before they've had a chance to play in the first team anyway. Like us, most clubs seem to have one or two players every few seasons and that's about it. This is a bit of a generalisation and simplification of things, but most players in PL academies don't seem to be good enough for PL teams, so they move to the Championship. Most players in Championship academies don't seem to be good enough for Championship teams so they move to League One. Most players in League One academies don't seem to be good enough for League One teams so they move to League Two. So on, and so forth.
5waller5 Posted 6 December 2012 Posted 6 December 2012 Lindgard isn't a striker. What is he then?? That's where we've been playing him?
Harry - LCFC Posted 6 December 2012 Posted 6 December 2012 Lindgard isn't a striker. But he's been playing up front..... Bolton: Lindgard subbed on for Waghorn Forest: Lindgard subbed on for Nugent Wednesday: Lindgard subbed on for Waghorn Leeds: Lindgard subbed on for Waghorn He may not be a forward but that's basically where he's been playing, perhaps he is sitting a little deeper but he's hardly been playing CM has he?
Captain... Posted 6 December 2012 Posted 6 December 2012 But he's been playing up front..... Bolton: Lindgard subbed on for Waghorn Forest: Lindgard subbed on for Nugent Wednesday: Lindgard subbed on for Waghorn Leeds: Lindgard subbed on for Waghorn He may not be a forward but that's basically where he's been playing, perhaps he is sitting a little deeper but he's hardly been playing CM has he? James was brought on for Knockaert against Derby, does that make him French a winger? Lingard is, from reputation not from how he has played, an attacking midfield type, from what I have seen of him I am not really sure as he has done very little, sadly, as he came with a high reputation. He is not a CM, nor a winger, so it makes sense to bring him on for a striker and play him deeper in a 4231 sort of formation.
Harry - LCFC Posted 6 December 2012 Posted 6 December 2012 James was brought on for Knockaert against Derby, does that make him French a winger? Lingard is, from reputation not from how he has played, an attacking midfield type, from what I have seen of him I am not really sure as he has done very little, sadly, as he came with a high reputation. He is not a CM, nor a winger, so it makes sense to bring him on for a striker and play him deeper in a 4231 sort of formation. Surely you realised what I meant? Lindgard has played up front every time he's made an appearance for us. James went into CM as things got shuffled around a bit, when Lindgard has come on very little gets shuffled around because Pearson feels he's perfectly comfortable playing in the role of the man who was substituted. Admittedly he does tend to play a little deeper but I don't see much difference in our style of play when he comes on. In any case he isn't going to play many games for us given how he's performed so far. There are simply too many players at this club who are better than him currently.
Danno Posted 6 December 2012 Posted 6 December 2012 Surely you realised what I meant? Lindgard has played up front every time he's made an appearance for us. James went into CM as things got shuffled around a bit, when Lindgard has come on very little gets shuffled around because Pearson feels he's perfectly comfortable playing in the role of the man who was substituted. Admittedly he does tend to play a little deeper but I don't see much difference in our style of play when he comes on. In any case he isn't going to play many games for us given how he's performed so far. There are simply too many players at this club who are better than him currently. No he's played behind the striker
Harry - LCFC Posted 6 December 2012 Posted 6 December 2012 No he's played behind the striker Pretty similar role is it not? He's still up there with the other striker. I suppose what I'm really saying is that we have a choice who we play in the "forward" role with Nugent: Waghorn, Vardy, Futacs or Lindgard i.e. these are the players competing amongst themselves for a spot in the team just as SSL and Whitbread will compete for their place. To be honest I'm not really that interested where Lindgard plays, whatever position you'd like to call it we all know full well that we have a bunch of players who will contribute much more to the team than him and that's all I care about really. Waghorn > Lindgard. Waghorn goes into the starting eleven. Everyone's happy.
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