Bryn Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Of course and in those cases where there is nothing wrong with the baby but there are other reasons to end the pregnancy, now it means the loss of the baby, but if there was an alternative would it be preferable to terminate the foetus or bring it into this world artificially and away from its biological parents. But where does it go? To some massive care home with noone to properly love it? Care is bad enough as it is.
FoxyPV Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Maybe permission is wrong the word, but except in cases of rape or incest, should it be allowed to abort a baby without notifying the father? Yip. Since we are being hypothetical, what if the partner is a useless **** etc, circumstances, money blah blah blah?
lcfc"weasel" Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 But where does it go? To some massive care home with noone to properly love it? Care is bad enough as it is. People who want to adopt? People who can't have kids of there own?
Captain... Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 Yip. Since we are being hypothetical, what if the partner is a useless **** etc, circumstances, money blah blah blah? What if he isn't? What if he doesn't know? What if he is willing to do everything he can to support, finance and care for the baby? What if she is a useless so and so and only wants to get rid of it because she doesn't want stretch marks and to ruin her vajazzle?
The Doctor Posted 4 February 2013 Posted 4 February 2013 People who want to adopt? People who can't have kids of there own? The adoption rates really aren't high enough for that to be possible.
FoxyPV Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 What if he isn't? What if he doesn't know? What if he is willing to do everything he can to support, finance and care for the baby? What if she is a useless so and so and only wants to get rid of it because she doesn't want stretch marks and to ruin her vajazzle? At the end of the day the decision is hers because she'll be carrying the baby and in most cases, be left with the baby if anything goes wrong. Most couples will talk this through and come to a decision that suits them both, however the final decision is hers.
JonnyBoy Posted 5 February 2013 Author Posted 5 February 2013 pro - choice if the women is raped, they should also cut the legal date in which it is too late. atm its 24 weeks, i would make it 12
Webbo Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 pro - choice if the women is raped, they should also cut the legal date in which it is too late. atm its 24 weeks, i would make it 12 24 is too long,12 too short. Ideally I'd say 18 weeks although I think 20 weeks is a good compromise.
flowwolf Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Pro choice Does that count for the murdered baby as well, you know like their life has started do they have a choice to live or die ? The only choice a women needs in todays world is which contraceptive to use. And if none is available a simple NO is better than killing a child inside you because you could not be bothered.
FoxyPV Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Does that count for the murdered baby as well ? The only choice a women needs in todays world is which contraceptive to use. Contraception is not 100% effective. There needs to be back up when things go wrong or if the circumstances change. It is not a baby. It's a foetus, which would not survive outside the womb.
flowwolf Posted 5 February 2013 Posted 5 February 2013 Contraception is not 100% effective. There needs to be back up when things go wrong or if the circumstances change. It is not a baby. It's a foetus, which would not survive outside the womb. And if you did not take it out of the womb it would grow into a human being just as you did it's still murder. Although contraceptives are not 100% effective it still does not explain the amount of abortions performed on a daily basis. The fact is most abortions could and should be avoided by the use of contraception but they are not because of feckless stupid women who think abortion is another form of contraception.
Parafox Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 And if you did not take it out of the womb it would grow into a human being just as you did it's still murder. Although contraceptives are not 100% effective it still does not explain the amount of abortions performed on a daily basis. The fact is most abortions could and should be avoided by the use of contraception but they are not because of feckless stupid women who think abortion is another form of contraception. You really do have a naive, immature, simplistic view, don't you?
BoneDog Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 Don't know why I made that but thought I'd post it
flowwolf Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 You really do have a naive, immature, simplistic view, don't you? That kind of matches your naive, immature, simplistic reply. Your post adds nothing to the debate or are you afraid to argue against my views ?
flowwolf Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 Don't know why I made that but thought I'd post it If you don't know why how is that supposed to be funny ?
FoxyPV Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 And if you did not take it out of the womb it would grow into a human being just as you did it's still murder. Although contraceptives are not 100% effective it still does not explain the amount of abortions performed on a daily basis. The fact is most abortions could and should be avoided by the use of contraception but they are not because of feckless stupid women who think abortion is another form of contraception. Really?
The Doctor Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 And if you did not take it out of the womb it would grow into a human being just as you did it's still murder. Although contraceptives are not 100% effective it still does not explain the amount of abortions performed on a daily basis. The fact is most abortions could and should be avoided by the use of contraception but they are not because of feckless stupid women who think abortion is another form of contraception. Is it though? If you're going to say fact, I'm going to expect to see some figures. As it is, contraception is not a catch all and unwanted pregnancies still happen - to start talking as if people just use abortion as a contraceptive is to show a brain devoid of intelligent life.
flowwolf Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 Is it though? If you're going to say fact, I'm going to expect to see some figures. As it is, contraception is not a catch all and unwanted pregnancies still happen - to start talking as if people just use abortion as a contraceptive is to show a brain devoid of intelligent life. Tut tut resorting to abuse again to try and strengthen your weak arguement don't you ever learn ? You must be the only one in the world who does not realise abortion is used as a contraceptive. The majority of babys have no abnormality and do not pose a threat to the mothers health.
I am Rod Hull Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 I don`t know how anyone can be so sure about abortion being right or wrong. I for one can not agree or disagree. The rights of the woman against the rights of the unborn child, no one can be right, surely.
BoneDog Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 If you don't know why how is that supposed to be funny ? A sleeveless denim jacket with 'The Wolf' on the back is funny in my opinion
Bryn Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 People who want to adopt? People who can't have kids of there own? Have you any idea how many extra children we're talking here? There are thousands of unwanted children as it is.
Thracian Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 1) No. It's her body and if it all ****s up, she'll be one left holding the baby. Are you really suggesting that she has to get permission from a man to get an abortion? I understand what point you are trying to get at though. 2) No. No she does not necessarily get left with the baby. Stacks of people want to adopt children and there are other scenarios as well. There is no right and wrong answer to this question no matter how many people seek to press their opinions on others. But with human rights should should come human responsibility and if a woman gets pregnant then she should deliver that child if at all possible because the unborn-but-living foetus should have rights too as well as the mother does and, unlike the mother (in most cases), the baby-to-be didn't have a choice about being conceived. Once born then one would hope the child gets the best care and love possible whoever that may be with. I know a woman who would have aborted her baby-to-be three months ago because the husband had no interest in it or interest in helping look after it. That situation remains the same but the mother's situation has changed so she's decided to have the child now and, whatever happens in the future, the boy-to-be should at least have the chance of a reasonably happy life whether it grows up with its mother for some of the time, all of the time or almost not at all. The issue should be about the sanctity of human life not about personal feelings and no, i don't think it is always as clear cut as I make out in this precised argument.
Guest MattP Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 No she does not necessarily get left with the baby. Stacks of people want to adopt children and there are other scenarios as well. There is no right and wrong answer to this question no matter how many people seek to press their opinions on others. But with human rights should should come human responsibility and if a woman gets pregnant then she should deliver that child if at all possible because the unborn-but-living foetus should have rights too as well as the mother does and, unlike the mother (in most cases), the baby-to-be didn't have a choice about being conceived. Once born then one would hope the child gets the best care and love possible whoever that may be with. I know a woman who would have aborted her baby-to-be three months ago because the husband had no interest in it or interest in helping look after it. That situation remains the same but the mother's situation has changed so she's decided to have the child now and, whatever happens in the future, the boy-to-be should at least have the chance of a reasonably happy life whether it grows up with its mother for some of the time, all of the time or almost not at all. The issue should be about the sanctity of human life not about personal feelings and no, i don't think it is always as clear cut as I make out in this precised argument. What an excellent post.
flowwolf Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 A sleeveless denim jacket with 'The Wolf' on the back is funny in my opinion Oh go on then it was funny. :D
flowwolf Posted 6 February 2013 Posted 6 February 2013 No she does not necessarily get left with the baby. Stacks of people want to adopt children and there are other scenarios as well. There is no right and wrong answer to this question no matter how many people seek to press their opinions on others. But with human rights should should come human responsibility and if a woman gets pregnant then she should deliver that child if at all possible because the unborn-but-living foetus should have rights too as well as the mother does and, unlike the mother (in most cases), the baby-to-be didn't have a choice about being conceived. Once born then one would hope the child gets the best care and love possible whoever that may be with. I know a woman who would have aborted her baby-to-be three months ago because the husband had no interest in it or interest in helping look after it. That situation remains the same but the mother's situation has changed so she's decided to have the child now and, whatever happens in the future, the boy-to-be should at least have the chance of a reasonably happy life whether it grows up with its mother for some of the time, all of the time or almost not at all. The issue should be about the sanctity of human life not about personal feelings and no, i don't think it is always as clear cut as I make out in this precised argument. Agreed the sanctity of human life versus the selfishness of the individual. My own daughter is adopted and has always known so. One day on her birthday I said to her that her birth mum must be thinking of her, she replied " well she did not care about me anyway I've got you and mum to love me" I explained that her birth mum did love her and loved her so much that she did the hardest thing of all and that was to go through with the pregnancy knowing that she was going to give her up for adoption. Of course she was too young for me to also tell her how easy it would have been for her birth mum to have simply gone to the doctors and she would not have been here but she did not yet understand about abortion. Years later she met her birth mum and thanked her for having her and for not taking the easy route of abortion. Her birth mum simply said my darling once you were growing inside of me there was never any question of getting rid of you I could never have lived with myself. I suspect that there are hundreds of thousands of women who have had abortions who now bitterly regret what they did and have to live with it. The one thing I have not read on here is the emotional trauma of abortion , it's all about a womens right and choice it's her body ect well there is a hell of a lot more to it than that.
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