History

[BoneDog]

This is for the parts of history that are not so well known. Not for the usual textbook 'knowledge' - for example, the Sagan vid I watched yesterday that The Doctor used as a reply to one of my posts. That theory is taught in textbooks but is known to be pretty worthless. Textbooks are sometimes very naughty and misleading things.

After hearing about Churchill and all that yesterday in the other thread, thought I'd start off with this top history lesson.

US/British Naval history before, during and between WW's I & II - US/British tensions during the 20's - Anti-British/Pro-British factions of US Navy and Army - FD Roosevelt victim of conspiracy - Philippines, Pearl Harbour, Pacific WW2 - Japanese aggression was part of British plan. All the famous names - MacArthur, Churchill, Kimmel and more.

I've had to watch it in 30 minute segments. Attention span deficit.

Just for the record, I don't agree with everything Tarpley says about every subject he speaks on, but this lecture is worthy of attention.

[Vacamion]

History is written by the victors.

Conspiracy theories, on the other hand are concocted by overweight dudes in bermuda shirts in their parents' attics.

[BoneDog]

History is written by the victors.

Conspiracy theories, on the other hand are concocted by overweight dudes in bermuda shirts in their parents' attics.

Who wears bermuda shirts apart from TPH?

The evidence in that video is not theory, he is using quotes from the horses mouths.

At least you admitted my point about textbooks being untrustworthy. History is indeed written by the victors to suit their needs.

Edit : Was Watergate concocted by some overweight dude in his parents attic btw? Could name a thousand more real conspiracies that prove you're waffling.

[Captain...]

Who wears bermuda shirts apart from TPH?

The evidence in that video is not theory, he is using quotes from the horses mouths.

At least you admitted my point about textbooks being untrustworthy. History is indeed written by the victors to suit their needs.

*ahem*

I was probably wearing a manly white vest and some bermuda shorts

Busted!!!!

[BoneDog]

He said shirts man!

Mods, can you ban all wafflers from this thread please - or at least give me the authority to do so? F*&k freedom of speech in my threads!

[Manwell Pablo]

Here we go, A-Level History with Fox Mulder.

[davieG]

****ing EL you're not really expecting anyone on here to watch 2hrs 40mins 23secs video are you?

One line of text is what many can just about manage.

Can you edited it down to 23secs.

[Zingari]

****ing EL you're not really expecting anyone on here to watch 2hrs 40mins 23secs video are you?

One line of text is what many can just about manage.

Can you edited it down to 23secs.

i'll probably watch it later , i love that sort of stuff

[Vacamion]

Who wears bermuda shirts apart from TPH?

The evidence in that video is not theory, he is using quotes from the horses mouths.

At least you admitted my point about textbooks being untrustworthy. History is indeed written by the victors to suit their needs.

Edit : Was Watergate concocted by some overweight dude in his parents attic btw? Could name a thousand more real conspiracies that prove you're waffling.

Waffling? Two short lines, Mr Empty, just two short lines.

If a man in a Youtube Video says it, it MUST be true and we can safely dismiss the fact that academic history departments the world over, government opposition parties and enemy regimes of the Western powers since the 1940s have never raised this.

Brilliant.

Keep 'em coming.

[Zingari]

Waffling? Two short lines, Mr Empty, just two short lines.

If a man in a Youtube Video says it, it MUST be true and we can safely dismiss the fact that academic history departments the world over, government opposition parties and enemy regimes of the Western powers since the 1940s have never raised this.

Brilliant.

Keep 'em coming.

Do you believe there was no such thing as Operation Gladio ?

[Vacamion]

Do you believe there was no such thing as Operation Gladio ?

Unlike the tinfoil hattted individuals that propose such ideas, I am not so conceited as to consider that my belief in such an operation or dismissal of it would at all alter the fact as to whether there really was one or was not .

I don't think that Churchill was colluding with dark powers to make the Japanese enter the war though...

[Zingari]

Unlike the tinfoil hattted individuals that propose such ideas, I am not so conceited as to consider that my belief in such an operation or dismissal of it would at all alter the fact as to whether there really was one or was not .

I don't think that Churchill was colluding with dark powers to make the Japanese enter the war though...

You can watch a video about operation gladio from those tin hat wearing conspiracy theorists of the BBC here.

Operation Gladio is undisputed historical fact. Gladio was part of a post-World War II program set up by the CIA and NATO supposedly to thwart future Soviet/communist invasions or influence in Italy and Western Europe. In fact, it became a state-sponsored right-wing terrorist network, involved in false flag operations and the subversion of democracy.

The existence of Gladio was confirmed and admitted by the Italian government in 1990, after a judge, Felice Casson, discovered the network in the course of his investigations into right-wing terrorism. Italian prime minister Giulio Andreotti admitted Gladio's existence but tried to minimize its significance.

The main function of the Gladio-style groups, in the absence of Soviet invasion, seems to have been to discredit left-wing groups and politicians through the use of "the strategy of tension," including false-flag terrorism. The strategy of tension is a concept for control and manipulation of public opinion through the use of fear, propaganda, agents provacateurs, terrorism, etc. The aim was to instill fear into the populace while framing communist and left-wing political opponents for terrorist atrocities.

[Vacamion]

Yup.

Probably.

Although I wouldn't say the BBC or Italian Justice is infallible, I would concede that there was almost certainly some jiggery pokery (on all sides mind you) in Europe after the war.

But was Pearl Harbor a set up?

One man in a video, who coincidentally is reported as being a climate change denier, a 9/11 denier, who has appeared as a guest speaker on Iranian TV, who suggests Obama is the inserted puppet of the CIA and who appears to be prominently quoted on "New World Order" internet discussion forums (what a surprise that El Empty found and quoted him) says that Pearl Harbor WAS a set up, that Churchill was in on it, and suddenly all our history books and the academic research of 60 years can be thrown into the bin.

If there was truth in what Mr Tarpley has to say, do you not think that it might have been raised by the enemies of the West over the last 60 years? Do you not think that a crusading journalist or a robust politician might have shone the light on these issues?

Of course not, because the Lizard people got to them first...

[Zingari]

The point I’m trying to get across is that just because facts in history don’t appear in history books in schools and universities doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.

History, as has been repeated many times, is written by the victors, and it is also edited and covered up by them too.

When you hear that “history is written by the victors†what does it mean to you? Do you just assume that means a few dates have been changed, or maybe Lord Toffeenose wasn’t actually the war hero the history books make him out to be?

Many serious historians believe the attack on Pearl Harbour was intentionally provoked by Roosevelt as a pretext for the U.S.A. to enter the war.

If you don’t want to believe it that’s fine , but please don’t keep pulling the old lizard people , tin foil hat stunt , on those that choose to believe with very good reason a different version of history. It’s becoming quite pathetic now .

[21st Century Fox]

You can watch a video about operation gladio from those tin hat wearing conspiracy theorists of the BBC here.

Operation Gladio is undisputed historical fact. Gladio was part of a post-World War II program set up by the CIA and NATO supposedly to thwart future Soviet/communist invasions or influence in Italy and Western Europe. In fact, it became a state-sponsored right-wing terrorist network, involved in false flag operations and the subversion of democracy.

The existence of Gladio was confirmed and admitted by the Italian government in 1990, after a judge, Felice Casson, discovered the network in the course of his investigations into right-wing terrorism. Italian prime minister Giulio Andreotti admitted Gladio's existence but tried to minimize its significance.

The main function of the Gladio-style groups, in the absence of Soviet invasion, seems to have been to discredit left-wing groups and politicians through the use of "the strategy of tension," including false-flag terrorism. The strategy of tension is a concept for control and manipulation of public opinion through the use of fear, propaganda, agents provacateurs, terrorism, etc. The aim was to instill fear into the populace while framing communist and left-wing political opponents for terrorist atrocities.

Funny you should mention that, I was reading about the Bologna Massacre the other day and it was mentioned that Gladio supplied the explosives. As it happens a certain Premier League manager attended the funeral of his friend Paolo Signorelli, who had links to Nuclei Armati Rivoluzionari.

[Vacamion]

The point I’m trying to get across is that just because facts in history don’t appear in history books in schools and universities doesn’t mean they didn’t happen.

History, as has been repeated many times, is written by the victors, and it is also edited and covered up by them too.

When you hear that “history is written by the victors†what does it mean to you? Do you just assume that means a few dates have been changed, or maybe Lord Toffeenose wasn’t actually the war hero the history books make him out to be?

Many serious historians believe the attack on Pearl Harbour was intentionally provoked by Roosevelt as a pretext for the U.S.A. to enter the war.

If you don’t want to believe it that’s fine , but please don’t keep pulling the old lizard people , tin foil hat stunt , on those that choose to believe with very good reason a different version of history. It’s becoming quite pathetic now .

I agree that those who write history can write it favourably. That's why my first post in the thread suggested this. I think one's own reputation can be embellished. I do think, however, that anything so monstrous as, say, being a party to the Pearl Harbor attacks or carrying out (and then framing the islamists for) 9/11 or faking the moon landings would be beyond the capabilities of organisations to orchestrate and then keep secret for very long. There are just too many interests that would want to expose such things.

As such, I disagree entirely that many of the major events arose from conspiracies, as some people suggest.

We are obviously not going to persude each other, so I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

As for the "tinfoil hat" / "lizard" thing, you have to admit that some of Mr Tarpley's stated beliefs are beyond Icke. You have to concede that, taken together, the likelihood of all his stated beliefs (9/11, climate, Obama, WWII) all being true, and them all being orchestrated by a "New World Order" (as suggested on websites on which he is widely quoted) is so remote as to belong in the "out there" section of what people believe.

Or maybe not. Again, I doubt that we are going to persuade each other and we'll have to agree to disagree.

Buenas noches.

[Zingari]

I agree that those who write history can write it favourably. That's why my first post in the thread suggested this. I think one's own reputation can be embellished. I do think, however, that anything so monstrous as, say, being a party to the Pearl Harbor attacks or carrying out (and then framing the islamists for) 9/11 or faking the moon landings would be beyond the capabilities of organisations to orchestrate and then keep secret for very long. There are just too many interests that would want to expose such things.

As such, I disagree entirely that many of the major events arose from conspiracies, as some people suggest.

We are obviously not going to persude each other, so I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

As for the "tinfoil hat" / "lizard" thing, you have to admit that some of Mr Tarpley's stated beliefs are beyond Icke. You have to concede that, taken together, the likelihood of all his stated beliefs (9/11, climate, Obama, WWII) all being true, and them all being orchestrated by a "New World Order" (as suggested on websites on which he is widely quoted) is so remote as to belong in the "out there" section of what people believe.

Or maybe not. Again, I doubt that we are going to persuade each other and we'll have to agree to disagree.

Buenas noches.

I have to admire your childlike trust in governments not to use us as cannon fodder in wars .

Try reading about the Gulf of Tonkin incident , it’s pretty much a proven fact that the U.S.A. staged the whole event as a pretext to enter the Vietnam War .

Do you really believe that this is the one and only time that false flag operations have been used to turn the nations citizens into readiness for war. It’s obviously a well used tried and tested method used throughout the ages to rally the people into war.

Operation Himmler / Gleiwitz convinced the German people that Poland was attacking Germany . Do you really believe the populace are immune from these things now?

As you say though, nether of us will convince the other

[BoneDog]

Of course not, because the Lizard people got to them first...

Below the belt. Let's leave the lizardo tribe out of this one. Nobody here believes in them!

Here we go, A-Level History with Fox Mulder.

It's beyond A-Level to be fair. A-Level is for youngsters at state school, and youngsters at state school don't get taught about invisible government puppeteers. They get the version of history that is written by the victors that Vacamion mentioned, where the president has all the power.

****ing EL you're not really expecting anyone on here to watch 2hrs 40mins 23secs video are you?

One line of text is what many can just about manage.

Can you edited it down to 23secs.

Fair point, but that's why I said people who're interested could watch it in 30 minute segments if they have an attention span deficit like myself.

Waffling? Two short lines, Mr Empty, just two short lines.

If a man in a Youtube Video says it, it MUST be true and we can safely dismiss the fact that academic history departments the world over, government opposition parties and enemy regimes of the Western powers since the 1940s have never raised this.

He's not just a 'man in a Youtube video' though, he's a well known, well educated historian who's been mixing it up in debates with the big boys for decades. Somebody recorded the talk and put it on Youtube.

Here's another. A debate that aired on C-Span from the Spy Museum in Washington against Jonathan Kay, with David Frum also in attendance. Big names in the games know that Tarpley is not some 'Youtube guy'. BIG DOG!

[BoneDog]

I don't think that Churchill was colluding with dark powers to make the Japanese enter the war though...

You may be correct about that, or you may not. That video could cause you to change your mind on what you believe as established fact regarding the matter, or it may not. If you ever wanted to watch it that is!

who appears to be prominently quoted on "New World Order" internet discussion forums (what a surprise that El Empty found and quoted him) says that Pearl Harbor WAS a set up.

I recognise Tarpley from a news channel on Sky TV, and more recently from his own website. He used to be a regular on RT until he quit working for them when they employed Assange (at least I think Assange was the reason he left RT).

I don't, and I repeat, do not, frequent NWO discussion sites. There may be some great info at some of those sites, but I wouldn't know. I also don't use phrases like NWO or illuminati, and don't think I ever have.

People keep tarring me with the lizardmen and NWO brush on FT, but I bang on about neither of those things. It astonishes me! I'm a well known scholar who frightens the life out of the worldwide cabal, but I come on FT and get treated like a juggling dwarf with tourettes.

[ozleicester]

You may be correct about that, or you may not. That video could cause you to change your mind on what you believe as established fact regarding the matter, or it may not. If you ever wanted to watch it that is!

I recognise Tarpley from a news channel on Sky TV, and more recently from his own website. He used to be a regular on RT until he quit working for them when they employed Assange (at least I think Assange was the reason he left RT).

I don't, and I repeat, do not, frequent NWO discussion sites. There may be some great info at some of those sites, but I wouldn't know. I also don't use phrases like NWO or illuminati, and don't think I ever have.

People keep tarring me with the lizardmen and NWO brush on FT, but I bang on about neither of those things. It astonishes me! I'm a well known scholar who frightens the life out of the worldwide cabal, but I come on FT and get treated like a juggling dwarf with tourettes.

I want to see THIS youtube

There is no truth... only our perception of it.

[Manwell Pablo]

Below the belt. Let's leave the lizardo tribe out of this one. Nobody here believes in them!

It's beyond A-Level to be fair. A-Level is for youngsters at state school, and youngsters at state school don't get taught about invisible government puppeteers. They get the version of history that is written by the victors that Vacamion mentioned, where the president has all the power.

Fair point, but that's why I said people who're interested could watch it in 30 minute segments if they have an attention span deficit like myself.

He's not just a 'man in a Youtube video' though, he's a well known, well educated historian who's been mixing it up in debates with the big boys for decades. Somebody recorded the talk and put it on Youtube.

Here's another. A debate that aired on C-Span from the Spy Museum in Washington against Jonathan Kay, with David Frum also in attendance. Big names in the games know that Tarpley is not some 'Youtube guy'. BIG DOG!

Not if Fox Mulders teaching it.