flowwolf Posted 7 June 2013 Posted 7 June 2013 Do you know what is happening now? Police are 'taking away' possessions of rough sleepers because they are upsetting the public. If we were to 'remove possessions' from another person it would be called stealing. What they are doing is moving the problem a little to one side but not solving anything. There are more becoming homeless, more rough sleepers but the carpet is deeper for it all to be hidden. Lets have a celebrity sex scandal instead. It makes better headlines. It's certainly more interesting. Which do you prefer. knowing Ken Roache is going to get nailed for kiddie diddling or some sad act has had his cardboard bedroom confiscated ?
Guest MattP Posted 7 June 2013 Posted 7 June 2013 It's certainly more interesting. Which do you prefer. knowing Ken Roache is going to get nailed for kiddie diddling or some sad act has had his cardboard bedroom confiscated ?
davieG Posted 7 June 2013 Posted 7 June 2013 The underlying problem seems to me to be that there isn't sufficient housing for single people if the government feel this cap is the right way to go they should commence a massive single person affordable (whatever that means) house building programme.
Rincewind Posted 7 June 2013 Author Posted 7 June 2013 It's certainly more interesting. Which do you prefer. knowing Ken Roache is going to get nailed for kiddie diddling or some sad act has had his cardboard bedroom confiscated ? And I guess that if it's not your kid or your cardboard being confiscated (stolen) you couldn't give a shit. Just to clarify the goods that were 'siezed' were donated to those people and consisted of sleeping bags and food. Just in case people do not know - although the information is out there - the majority of claims for benefits are from WORKING people who have seen their income drop, sometimes their WORKING hours and bills rise. This is a fact. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Down-Not-Out/125493017529670?ref=ts&fref=ts
Guest MattP Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 No one is bothered about workers claiming. I'm fine with that. It's the ones out of work claiming who can't be arsed that pisses everyone off.
Rincewind Posted 8 June 2013 Author Posted 8 June 2013 No one is bothered about workers claiming. I'm fine with that. It's the ones out of work claiming who can't be arsed that pisses everyone off. which is a VERY SMALL percentage.
Vlad the Fox Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 The underlying problem seems to me to be that there isn't sufficient housing for single people if the government feel this cap is the right way to go they should commence a massive single person affordable (whatever that means) house building programme. Agree with this. Though not in my area.
MooseBreath Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 which is a VERY SMALL percentage. That's good news for you then, isn't it? Must mean most people are working and getting on fine in life.
ADK Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 I thought the orginal point was that this costs alot of money aswell as being disruptive for everyone involved.
Guest MattP Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 which is a VERY SMALL percentage. I know. What's your point? We should take JSA out of everything and treat it separately. Its unfair working families and pensioners are tarred alongside these people under the umbrella of welfare.
Guest MattP Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10106437/Revealed-how-much-you-pay-towards-benefit-bill.html Middle class professionals donate about 200k to the benefit system over a lifetime. Twice as much as they do to the NHS.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 I have little sympathy fora number these people, who just think they can put their hand out time and again, and make no contribution to society. The bedroom tax in my view is very fair, and people like carers who need a room, do come within the government umbrella. (My son is one)
purpleronnie Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 I have little sympathy fora number these people, who just think they can put their hand out time and again, and make no contribution to society. The bedroom tax in my view is very fair, and people like carers who need a room, do come within the government umbrella. (My son is one) Then you know little about it.
Rincewind Posted 8 June 2013 Author Posted 8 June 2013 It seems there are too many experts on here. Maybe the people that I know who work with and in contact with vulnerable people every day who have experienced hardship because of the cuts are wrong and the experts on here are right. The people that I know would benefit from the advice from someone like Moosey who has all the facts and figures to change their mind.
MooseBreath Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 It seems there are too many experts on here. Maybe the people that I know who work with and in contact with vulnerable people every day who have experienced hardship because of the cuts are wrong and the experts on here are right. The people that I know would benefit from the advice from someone like Moosey who has all the facts and figures to change their mind. They sure would. My advice would be to get a job and then they'll won't have to worry about having their hands out revoked. What's more, they'll feel good about themselves too because they'll have actually earned the money rather than have legally stolen it from someone else.
davieG Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 They sure would. My advice would be to get a job and then they'll won't have to worry about having their hands out revoked. What's more, they'll feel good about themselves too because they'll have actually earned the money rather than have legally stolen it from someone else. ..and yet you don't know whether you should tuck your shirt into your jeans.
Harry - LCFC Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 They sure would. My advice would be to get a job and then they'll won't have to worry about having their hands out revoked. What's more, they'll feel good about themselves too because they'll have actually earned the money rather than have legally stolen it from someone else. They don't just grow on trees you know, it isn't just a case of stepping at the door and into a paying occupation.
MooseBreath Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 They don't just grow on trees you know, it isn't just a case of stepping at the door and into a paying occupation. Yeah I know. I live and work in this country too. I know exactly what it's like. If you're willing to put in the hard work to improve your employability then you will prosper. If you can't be arsed you'll struggle and that's exactly how it should be.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 Then you know little about it. As much as you, no doubt, perhaps more.
Harry - LCFC Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 Yeah I know. I live and work in this country too. I know exactly what it's like. If you're willing to put in the hard work to improve your employability then you will prosper. If you can't be arsed you'll struggle and that's exactly how it should be. Ok that's a fair comment. But realise that not every person in that position is there because they don't want to work. In many cases there was probably something, however small, that limited their ability to succeed. There isn't total equality of opportunity in this country so standard of living does not perfectly correlate with hard work. Of course that is the best option for anyone and I agree that someone who is willing to put in the effort is likely to improve their situation even if they don't get all of what they deserve from it.
purpleronnie Posted 8 June 2013 Posted 8 June 2013 As much as you, no doubt, perhaps more. I doubt that.
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