Homelessness soar to five year high as 4500 families are placed in B & B

[Rincewind]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/homelessness-reaches-five-year-high-as-4500-families-are-forced-to-live-in-bed-and-breakfasts-8648108.html

 

 

[danny.]

This must be costing the government a fortune in B&B rates?!

[Rincewind]

Yes. We were talking about it yesterday. There is not enough housing when the families are booted out. The bedroom tax has hit a lot of people including disabled who need carers. There are also those who have kids at uni that come home at holiday time. Families are now being put up in Premier Inns.

Costing more to put them up than the benefits they are saving.

[Guest MattP]

Give a million pounds to everyone.

[Rincewind]

Give a million pounds to everyone.

 

Human rights would be a start.

[Vacamion]

Human rights would be a start.

 

 

Are you suggesting that a home paid for by the State is everyone's right?

[Rincewind]

Are you suggesting that a home paid for by the State is everyone's right?

No I am suggesting it should not chave to come to that.

[Charl91]

The benefits system here is easily enough to live on.

[MooseBreath]

Feel for those who are involved through no fault of their own, but this is good to see as a natural consequence of beginning to clean up the hand outs system.

[glenny_fox]

It's good they are trying to sort the system out but I feel there are much better ways to claw back some benefits lik capping child benefits to 2 kids.

 

This spare room tax does seem to be causing a hell of a lot of problems for the disabled that need carers or those that can't sleep with their partners. It would be better if it was means tested, but that would probably cancel out the saving they are making on the benefits.

[BoneDog]

Spare bedroom tax is outrageous.

 

I'd agree with capping child benefit to two children though. And only to those who need it.

[Trav Le Bleu]

That's one hell of a big B&B!

[Guest MattP]

Human rights would be a start.

 

So it's a human right to be given a home by the state?

 

 

That's one hell of a big B&B!

 

Probably ran by Michael O' Leary!

[Zingari]

So it's a human right to be given a home by the state?

 

 

 

Probably ran by Michael O' Leary!

 

 

 

 

 

I think it's a basic human right to expect provision for adequate housing for all , yes . 

The "state" that you refer to , is we the people who live here . it's our money they are spending and I  believe  it should be a priority . 

 

http://en.wikipedia....ight_to_housing

[Rincewind]

 

I think it's a basic human right to expect provision for adequate housing for all , yes . 

The "state" that you refer to , is we the people who live here . it's our money they are spending and I  believe  it should be a priority . 

 

http://en.wikipedia....ight_to_housing

 

Its in the Human rights charter.

 

“Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his controlâ€

[Guest MattP]

Its in the Human rights charter.

 

“Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his controlâ€

 

And that's what's happening is it not?

[MooseBreath]

And that's what's happening is it not?

The accommodation currently offered is not to a high enough standard as they are used to having spare bedrooms to store all the crap they buy with their free spending money.

[Zingari]

And that's what's happening is it not?

 

 

I don't think B and B accommodation constitutes  "adequate housing for  well being"  really .

 

Not for families anyway .

[Guest MattP]

I don't think B and B accommodation constitutes  "adequate housing for  well being"  really .

 

Not for families anyway .

 

Not ideal but at least it is something.

 

Funny thing is while this is happening some people actually want to open the door to possibly hundreds of thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians as well that we will have to feed and shelter, you couldn't make it up.

[flowwolf]

Its in the Human rights charter.

 

“Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his controlâ€

 

 

And it's my human right to object to paying for someone else's inadequacies.  

[Zingari]

Not ideal but at least it is something.

 

Funny thing is while this is happening some people actually want to open the door to possibly hundreds of thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians as well that we will have to feed and shelter, you couldn't make it up.

 

 

You’re not wrong there Matt.  We seem to be living in a world ( or a least a country) determined to create new problems faster than we can solve the old ones .

 

But I really do believe that the seeds we sow today by the way of inadequately housing children ,and having them grow up in little more than squats ,  we will be paying for manifold in the future.

 

I’m sure many will disagree , but it’s the way I feel about it . 

I’m not some altruistic do-gooder wanting a utopia for the people , just a believer that it’s a better future investment.   ( and possibly even cheaper than b and b accomadation ) 

[Zingari]

And it's my human right to object to paying for someone else's inadequacies.  

 

 

But in this way , you are paying well over the odds for their supposed inadequacies .

 

Surely proper housing that is correctly structured  for the needs of the individuals is better (and in the long term cheaper)  than some government backed  rip-off Rachmannesque  B and B scheme .

[Rincewind]

Do you know what is happening now? Police are 'taking away' possessions of rough sleepers because they are upsetting the public. If we were to 'remove possessions' from another person it would be called stealing.

What they are doing is moving the problem a little to one side but  not solving anything. There are more becoming homeless, more rough sleepers but the carpet is deeper for it all to be hidden. Lets have a celebrity sex scandal instead. It makes better headlines.

[Guest BlueBrett]

Spare bedroom tax is outrageous.

 

I'd agree with capping child benefit to two children though. And only to those who need it.

How is it?  For starters it isn't even a tax and if you live in a property that you don't own or pay for, with more rooms than you require, why shouldn't you be required to move somewhere smaller?  Don't give me the disabled and carers crap that Rincewind has come out with either because my understanding is that the vast majority of disabled people are exempt.

 

I'd have much more of a problem with capping child benefit.  Why should the kids suffer because their parents are poor and don't use contraception? Take the money away from families of 5, 6 or 7 and you could end up causing people to starve.  The spare room subsidy might inconvenience people but it wont do them any lasting damage.  They can either find work and start paying for their own place or allow the state to cut their cloth a bit smaller so there is enough to go around.  It's not like they are being turfed out into the streets

[Guest MattP]

Do you know what is happening now? Police are 'taking away' possessions drugs of rough sleepers because they are upsetting the smacked off their tits in public. If we were to 'remove possessions' from another person it would be called stealing.

What they are doing is moving the problem a little to one side but  not solving anything away from the public who don't want to see it. There are more becoming homeless, more rough sleepers but I still support an open door immigration policy that creates more social unrest and use of public housing and money the carpet is deeper for it all to be hidden. Lets have a celebrity sex scandal instead It makes better headlines as the mass abuse of thousands of young boys and girls possibly covered up by a national organisation is actually very newsworthy.

Fixed.