Immigration and Poetry

[MooseBreath]

Nothing on there says she was educated at Cambridge. It says she is located "between London and Cambridge", which means she is very much the middle class privileged youth putting on an urban accent and pretending she is really from some London slum. Just looked at a couple of her other 'rap' videos. She 'raps' about issues such as the irony of ingredients of an english breakfast largely being sourced from abroad, and how disgusting men are for enjoying adult school-themed discos. Absolute load of bollocks, attention she has received was blatantly bought and paid for by daddy.

[flowwolf]

It appears that the tone, style and register of this video has been offending the ears of some of you on here (and we haven't even got on to what she is actually saying). Therefore, I have, with some help of some techy web-based thingy-m'jig, 'mashed it up' with something that will sooth your anger and speak to your condition. Enjoy. 

 

http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DbJX5XHnONTI&start1=0&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DfEUxgazdA-g&start2=0&authorName=McNish+v+I+vow+to+thee+my+Country

 

And you have not been reading our posts either have you ? I took note of what this urban flotsam had to say. hence my quote " them goddam Chinese got all the china shops " This angry young vixen is nothing more than an admirable figure of fun, like a little child who comes over all earnest and touches your heart but makes you laugh inside.

[flowwolf]

Sorry, I have been picking on you today. I'll go and find Flowwolf.

 

 

I'm here Darling .

[Renart]

Nothing on there says she was educated at Cambridge. It says she is located "between London and Cambridge", which means she is very much the middle class privileged youth putting on an urban accent and pretending she is really from some London slum. Just looked at a couple of her other 'rap' videos. She 'raps' about issues such as the irony of ingredients of an english breakfast largely being sourced from abroad, and how disgusting men are for enjoying adult school-themed discos. Absolute load of bollocks, attention she has received was blatantly bought and paid for by daddy.

 

Maybe she is a 'middle class privileged youth putting on an urban accent'; I don't know that and nor do you. I am not sure if it matters and I don't really think it achieves anything to speculate. My repsonse was simply to the idea that somehow the education system had failed if it had produced her as an example, when actually the cadence and rhyme of her verse is good, her message is clear and the form and presentation is accessible to many (maybe not you but that is fine; we are all different and enjoy differnt mediums). Me citing her as having a Cambridge education sits uneasy with me as I believe she should be listened to no matter what her educational background. However, I did see the irony in flowwolf's comment about what the education system is 'chucking out' when actually she is clearly a very intelligent, articulate young woman. The issue was with judging on what you hear, and the prejudices that you associate with voice and looks, and not what you understand her to be saying. Or maybe people understand very well what she is saying but it is easier to attack voice and looks? At least you had a look at her website and her videos even if you did not like them. Reservedly, I have included a link to a place that does give her educational background only to prove my point about misjudging someone by the way they sound. Heaven forbid we should also do that by their sex, age, colour of their skin, religious or cultural background or what country they come from. It is very easy to get things wrong.

 

http://www.shape-east.org.uk/about-staff.html

 

And you have not been reading our posts either have you ? I took note of what this urban flotsam had to say. hence my quote " them goddam Chinese got all the china shops " This angry young vixen is nothing more than an admirable figure of fun, like a little child who comes over all earnest and touches your heart but makes you laugh inside.

 

I apologise. I did note your comment about the china shops and I also see the humour in it although I am not sure that I agree with you in your reading of her as an 'admirable figure of fun' but at least there is engagement beyond her accent/dialect and performance - that post wasn't actually directed at you, whereas the one about the education system was

[Rincewind]

So her accent stops her from being intelligent and unworthy of a place at Cambridge?

[Captain...]

she is a silly cow , though I respect silly cows so it's alright. " those goddam Chinese and their china shop " she's right there though all the china shops I know are run by the Chinese , hell there must be one on every corner by now selling their cheap bone china tea sets.   :D  

 

Fvcking hilarious ! is this what our education system is chucking out these days ? God help us all.

 

But that is the point, it is the ignorant man going on about Chinese and their China shops, it's satire or irony, or something, or I'm reading too much into it.

[Guest Bilo]

The usual suspects showing the usual snobbery when confronted with somebody having the sheer audacity not to share their narrow minded view of the world around them.

 

I pity them.

[Guest Bilo]

But that is the point, it is the ignorant man going on about Chinese and their China shops, it's satire or irony, or something, or I'm reading too much into it.

 

I read it as satirising the ignorance of racism myself, clearly not the accident that some feel happened. A GCSE student would be able to note the 'Chinese and China shops' line as significant and deliberate on the part of the poet, not the FT right-wing posse though.

[MooseBreath]

The usual suspects showing the usual snobbery when confronted with somebody having the sheer audacity not to share their narrow minded view of the world around them.

I pity them.

Not really. It's just pointless and obvious observations. Yeah some people bang on about immigrants taking jobs without considering the benefits of immigration, so fvcking what? Does she think she's the first person in the world ever to notice that? What is she hoping to achieve with this insight-free nonsense? She proposes absolutely nothing, just moans about the views of some people whose opinion she doesn't like. Which makes your post a little bit ironic, don't you think? A little too ironic? Yeah I really do think. It's like rain on your wedding day, a free ride when you've already paid, some good advice that you just didn't take, but who would have thought

[Guest Bilo]

The most ironic thing about Ironic is that there is not a single instance if irony in the entire song.

 

If Morrisette meant that, it's genius. 

[Finnegan]

This thread is amazing.

[purpleronnie]

I reckon people just pick these threads out to post miserable negative comments.

Everyones got to have a hobby.

[flowwolf]

So her accent stops her from being intelligent and unworthy of a place at Cambridge?

 

 

It does if it's false as this one clearly is.

[flowwolf]

The usual suspects showing the usual snobbery when confronted with somebody having the sheer audacity not to share their narrow minded view of the world around them.

 

I pity them.

 

 

I feel privileged  by pity, it shows you care.   

[Guest MattP]

I read it as satirising the ignorance of racism myself, clearly not the accident that some feel happened. A GCSE student would be able to note the 'Chinese and China shops' line as significant and deliberate on the part of the poet, not the FT right-wing posse though.

 

I read it as a typical middle/upper class Liberal who has never had their lifestyle affected by immigration preaching to everybody else about things she knows little about.

 

Suppose it's very easy to mock the working class English when Daddy has paid for your University fees and send you round the World to read poetry.

 

Wonder if she would have the same opinions were she working for a cleaning company on a council estate in Lincoln?

[flowwolf]

But that is the point, it is the ignorant man going on about Chinese and their China shops, it's satire or irony, or something, or I'm reading too much into it.

 

Yes but did she have to over egg the cake with that phoney accent ? I'm surprised she did not mention Islamic ray guns.

[flowwolf]

I read it as satirising the ignorance of racism myself, clearly not the accident that some feel happened. A GCSE student would be able to note the 'Chinese and China shops' line as significant and deliberate on the part of the poet, not the FT right-wing posse though.

 

Oh yes I did . It's just that even the most bone headed racist would not call a Chinese take away  a " china shop " oh and please refrain from calling her a poet it's insulting.

[flowwolf]

I reckon people just pick these threads out to post miserable negative comments.

Everyones got to have a hobby.

 

Well she would be better off taking up gassing Badgers as a hobby then.

[Renart]

It does if it's false as this one clearly is.

 

 

I read it as a typical middle/upper class Liberal who has never had their lifestyle affected by immigration preaching to everybody else about things she knows little about.

 

Suppose it's very easy to mock the working class English when Daddy has paid for your University fees and send you round the World to read poetry.

 

Wonder if she would have the same opinions were she working for a cleaning company on a council estate in Lincoln?

 

Am I missing something? How do you know what her background is? Why assume that her accent is false? More judgements being made but in the completely polar opposite direction to the first ones. This is exceptionally good stuff.

[flowwolf]

Am I missing something? How do you know what her background is? Why assume that her accent is false? More judgements being made but in the completely polar opposite direction to the first ones. This is exceptionally good stuff.

 

 

If you think this is exceptionally good stuff just wait until you read intelligent poetry it will blow your socks off.

[Guest Bilo]

How do people know the first thing about her background?!

 

It is possible to be educated and have a working class accent because it's possible to be working class and educated in 2013.

 

Not every working class woman cleans toilets or works in Tesco, quite why there seems to be this assumption is beyond me. 

 

How can anybody say 'Daddy paid for her university fees and for her to go around the world reading poetry?' 

 

Again, a lot of prejudice going on in this here thread.

[Guest MattP]

I didn't say she was! I said she came across that way to me.

Each to their own.

[Renart]

If you think this is exceptionally good stuff just wait until you read intelligent poetry it will blow your socks off.

 

Sorry, I was talking about the shifting arguments, based around judgmental ideas of an individual based upon stereotyped assumptions, being 'exceptionally good stuff'. It really does suit this feed very well. I am sorry for my lack of clarity - I was just a little excited 

 

I am always very happy to be educated as to what is intelligent poetry; my socks are waiting to be blown off! 

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

She talks total bollocks within her so called rhyming verse.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Good job she's not a politician, as she would open the floodgates to mass immigration.