The Doctor Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 Some people are bornwith male and female parts. The part they are least comfortable with can be removed. The human body is a complex thing. A mish mash of cells thrown together by nature. It is only genes and genetic code that stops us sprouting six arms. But you never know in 10000 years we may need them and hey presto the DNA has changed. Mish-mash? No - each cell is specialised for the region it is in and the purpose it serves - this specialisation occurs during foetal development dependent on chemical influences: it's not a hodge-podge of crap thrown together. It'll take far longer than 10,000 years for us to grow 6 arms - that's a massive change (particularly since mammals are invariably tetrapods) and will take a hell of a lot of time, if it's even possible at all.
Rincewind Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 Mish-mash? No - each cell is specialised for the region it is in and the purpose it serves - this specialisation occurs during foetal development dependent on chemical influences: it's not a hodge-podge of crap thrown together. It'll take far longer than 10,000 years for us to grow 6 arms - that's a massive change (particularly since mammals are invariably tetrapods) and will take a hell of a lot of time, if it's even possible at all. Yes OK I was talking from the top of my head or as some might say my arse. My point was you cannot help how you are borm.
Father Ted Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 ^^^^^ what a wally. Just my opinion and viewpoint on the situation. Care to explain how im a wally?
The Doctor Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 Just my opinion and viewpoint on the situation. Care to explain how im a wally? Well, would you tell people who are infertile they can't adopt children, since they can't have children themselves? Oh, and since I assume you mean unnatural rather than natural: educate yourself. Homosexuality is natural, it's found in a great number of species.
Harry - LCFC Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 I'd like to get rid of this natural/unnatural term to try and justify opinions on sex, childcare etc. There are many 'unnatural' activities that humans engage in - masturbation and wearing a condom are two good examples - but nowadays it'd be considered a fairly backwards view if you were to ban such things. Many couples choose not to have children as they feel they'll enjoy life more this way - fine you say - but surely this is an incredibly unnatural thing to do as it goes against the purpose of life, which is to sustain itself. So I ask that we stop talking about whether something is 'natural' or not and instead question whether it is right or not. Is it right to allow a gay couple to have children?
Rincewind Posted 7 August 2013 Posted 7 August 2013 Are they going to love them? Are they going to teach right from wrong? Are they going to teach respect for others regardless of colour, creed religion ethnicicity, sex or sexual orientation? 3 things that I believe are important there may be more but these are a good start.
Captain... Posted 8 August 2013 Posted 8 August 2013 Agree with Harry on the 'unnatural' crap that comes up in there threads, gay marriage is unnatural, yeah, so is straight marriage, you don't see any other natural creatures getting married, you very rarely see monogamy in nature. Gay couples adopting is unnatural, again so is all adoption, you don't see queues of infertile elephants waiting expectantly to see if their application has been successful. It is as simple as this, if a child has no parents, and there is someone suitable willing to adopt them, then there cannot be an argument, regardless of sexuality, age, race, football allegiance. The key word there is suitable, now there are certain physiological needs that a baby gets from their parents, now whether this can be replicated by adopted parents, I don't know, but I would always want to see a baby placed with a mother and father where possible. As children get older then I see the distinction between a straight couple and a gay couple becoming less, I also think that a kid should have some say in his adopted parents, or at least the power of veto, I don't know if that is the case, but if the kid has no problem with gay parents, then who am I to, if they do then they probably shouldn't be placed with them. Are people just as against gay couples fostering children?
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