What has life taught you?

[Rincewind]

[Captain...]

that's not true. money is constantly moving around, the only way that it doesnt is if people hide it under a matress. you keep you money in a bank, it is being moved round by them in the form of loans so that people can own property and start businesses. capitalism isnt about the super rich making everyone spend money, its about money being in the hands of individuals to spend or save as they wish rather than  the government's hands. 

Inheritance or providing for ones children is the main incentive for anyone going out to earn a significant amount of money. my dad didn't work up and down the country doing 7 day weeks for months on end doing a job he hated for his own benefit, he did it so that I could have advantages that he didn't when he was young.

at the moment I'm content plodding along doing the job I'm doing now but if I ever have family I'll probably do the same that he did. 

 

But once your are old enough to support yourself that becomes irrelevant. You have done nothing to contribute to your parents' estate, they have supported you through your formative years and most likely beyond. But you have made no contribution to it, in fact you have made it significantly smaller, so why do you feel entitled to all of it when they die? The state provides a lot, that is why we pay taxes, think of it as a thank you to the state for all the protection and infrastructure and everything else they have provided in your life so that you can live extremely comfortably with an estate that is worth over a third of a million.

 

Sorry Captain but it is stealing from the dead. You can try and dress it up as taking it from the one who is inheriting it if you want but we both know that is not what is happening. Dead people still have money and you are resorting to the actions of a common criminal.

I find it amazing people like you criticise tax cheats etc and people who hold money in foreign accounts and then support things like this.

Amyone who hides their money to avoid inheritance tax should be treated as a hero, not a criminal. There is only one thief in this scenario.

 

It is not stealing from the dead, as once you are dead you have nothing. You can't take it with you, if you want to think of it that way, then fine.

 

I don't see why you find it amazing, I'm a leftie I believe in taxation and the power of the state, paying taxes good the more the better, avoiding taxes bad. 

 

I find it amazing that you are so against workshy layabouts not contributing anything to society and the state, and yet support something that encourages it. Do you really think the Beckham brood are going to grow up and work hard to make a living for themselves when they know they have daddies millions to fall back on?

 

Anyway, if you are so worried about it then make sure you don't leave over a third of a million when you die, spend it all on whisky and steaks.

[Guest MattP]

It is not stealing from the dead, as once you are dead you have nothing. You can't take it with you, if you want to think of it that way, then fine.

 

I don't see why you find it amazing, I'm a leftie I believe in taxation and the power of the state, paying taxes good the more the better, avoiding taxes bad. 

 

I find it amazing that you are so against workshy layabouts not contributing anything to society and the state, and yet support something that encourages it. Do you really think the Beckham brood are going to grow up and work hard to make a living for themselves when they know they have daddies millions to fall back on?

 

Anyway, if you are so worried about it then make sure you don't leave over a third of a million when you die, spend it all on whisky and steaks.

 

Of course it's yours, whatever you have earnt it;s your be it a house, car, cash or dartboard, the state isn't entitled to it.

 

Fair point on your views on state intervention, should expect it. No bothered about the Beckhams, they won't cost the taxpayer a penny and will spend fortunes into the economy, shame it will be in the USA and not here!

 

I'll try, believe me if I do have that cash to leave it won't be going through the official channels, I'd rather bury it in the garden than give it to a government.

[MooseBreath]

"paying taxes good the more the better"

Coming from someone who is self-employed and almost definitely takes advantage of every little tax trick in the book. Sickening.

[Guest MattP]

Out of interest would the ones who believe nothing is yours when you are dead be ok with the state digging up bodies to cash in the jewellery they were wearing at burial? Or is it just your property above the ground you are allowed to take?

 

Serious question.

[Captain...]

Out of interest would the ones who believe nothing is yours when you are dead be ok with the state digging up bodies to cash in the jewellery they were wearing at burial? Or is it just your property above the ground you are allowed to take?

 

Serious question.

 

If it came to over a third of a million I would be.

[Guest MattP]

If it came to over a third of a million I would be.

 

Seriously?

[Captain...]

Of course it's yours, whatever you have earnt it;s your be it a house, car, cash or dartboard, the state isn't entitled to it.

 

Fair point on your views on state intervention, should expect it. No bothered about the Beckhams, they won't cost the taxpayer a penny and will spend fortunes into the economy, shame it will be in the USA and not here!

 

I'll try, believe me if I do have that cash to leave it won't be going through the official channels, I'd rather bury it in the garden than give it to a government.

 

Nobody is entitled to it, it's yours your dead, you're nothing you've got nothing.

[Captain...]

Seriously?

 

Well if someone wanted to be buried with a priceless piece of art would you be ok with that? If Leo wanted to be buried with the Mona Lisa would you be ok with that?

 

To be honest being buried with anything is pretty pointless, I'm getting cremated all the way.

[Rincewind]

Some of these taxes that have been hidden away in foreign banks could have saved hospital wards being closed or used to pay for an operation to save a baby's life but that's OK the guy on his yacht in the seychelles has worked hard so has the right not to pay as much tax as the bloke doing 60 hours a week and drives around in a beaten up Metro and shops at Aldi.

 

I am not defending the ones that do not want to work and are happy to live off JSA. Ut is rge bloke that works over 60 hours a week sonetimes doing to jobs then is punished when he claims council tax rebate. meanwhile someone  that is able to pay for an accountant is avoiding paying taxes due and set down by the inland revenue which would amount to  a few years of the bloke doing 60 hrs pw. Why should he get away with it when others don't. Will he pay a criminal lawyer

to get away with murder. Well no of course not. Injustice hasn't stooped that low gas it?

 

Well I'm done with fighting unfairness on here. I'll leave it in the capable hands of those that can do a better job than I. I shall just read and smile.

[Guest MattP]

Nobody is entitled to it, it's yours your dead, you're nothing you've got nothing.

 

It;s your property, you are entitled to whoever you want to leave it to with out interference.

[Guest MattP]

Well if someone wanted to be buried with a priceless piece of art would you be ok with that? If Leo wanted to be buried with the Mona Lisa would you be ok with that?

 

To be honest being buried with anything is pretty pointless, I'm getting cremated all the way.

 

Same on the second point. Yes of course if it's his, he is entitled to do what he likes with it. We are treading into Fiddlin; Ben territory here with some of the behaviour being condoned.

 

I realise stealing off the dead with a pen and paper in an office sounds less goulish than a spade and shovel in the middle of the night but the end result is exactly the same.

[Rincewind]

If it came to over a third of a million I would be.

They've done it with some Pharoahs haven't they?

[Guest MattP]

They've done it with some Pharoahs haven't they?

 

No wonder your getting a passport done, is JSA is in Egypt flying up?

[The God Emperor]

But once your are old enough to support yourself that becomes irrelevant. You have done nothing to contribute to your parents' estate, they have supported you through your formative years and most likely beyond. But you have made no contribution to it, in fact you have made it significantly smaller, so why do you feel entitled to all of it when they die? The state provides a lot, that is why we pay taxes, think of it as a thank you to the state for all the protection and infrastructure and everything else they have provided in your life so that you can live extremely comfortably with an estate that is worth over a third of a million.

 

 

It is not stealing from the dead, as once you are dead you have nothing. You can't take it with you, if you want to think of it that way, then fine.

 

I don't see why you find it amazing, I'm a leftie I believe in taxation and the power of the state, paying taxes good the more the better, avoiding taxes bad. 

 

I find it amazing that you are so against workshy layabouts not contributing anything to society and the state, and yet support something that encourages it. Do you really think the Beckham brood are going to grow up and work hard to make a living for themselves when they know they have daddies millions to fall back on?

 

Anyway, if you are so worried about it then make sure you don't leave over a third of a million when you die, spend it all on whisky and steaks.

I don't feel entitled to it. whatever they give after they pass is what they wish to give me. I'm sure they'd rather it went to family than on the wages of Bureaucrats.

I have to thank the state for somethings, police, infrastructure like roads and a defense force to protect from foreign invasion. but the tax I pay goes on all sorts of other ventures that are entirely unnecessary.

 

the bit I have highlighted. I cant understand how people think money in the hands of the government is better than being in the hands of people. obviously some taxation is needed but too much is counter productive because you remove the incentive to be productive. the government charges people income tax, corporation tax, VAT, road tax, NI tax, the hidden tax of inflation from printing currency, and probably some other taxes I don't even know about and it is still running a deficit. big government and large welfare states are not sustainable and in the end it becomes a self fulfilling  prophecy. take money away from those who create most of the opportunities for people results in their being more people without work. they then have to apply for welfare which means more has to be taken from the people creating the opportunities which means even less opportunities. on top of this the bureaucracy that runs the welfare state has to keep growing to keep up with demand which costs yet more public money (probably where the majority of the taxes collected for welfare go I imagine).

 

I've probably gone a bit of topic but once I get started   

[MooseBreath]

It;s your property, you are entitled to whoever you want to leave it to with out interference.

Exactly, your money, your choice where it goes. Taking the wealth from the 'inheritee' is not as big of an issue as taking away the choice of where it goes from the person who owns the wealth. The government simply has no right to interfere.

[Rincewind]

[Captain...]

Same on the second point. Yes of course if it's his, he is entitled to do what he likes with it. We are treading into Fiddlin; Ben territory here with some of the behaviour being condoned.

 

I realise stealing off the dead with a pen and paper in an office sounds less goulish than a spade and shovel in the middle of the night but the end result is exactly the same.

 

If they are buried with it does it count as their estate?

 

Your call, I see no problem with it, I understand why some would, but I still see no problem in those that have benefited most from society in life contributing some back in death. We are talking 350k tax free, then 40% tax on everything on top of that. I'd be ecstatic to pay inheritance tax because it means I've left over 350k to my loved ones, a little pissed off at being dead (if we are taking it as the dead person paying taxes).

 

So you want to get rid of it, fine, but where are we going to get the shortfall from?

[The God Emperor]

If they are buried with it does it count as their estate?

 

Your call, I see no problem with it, I understand why some would, but I still see no problem in those that have benefited most from society in life contributing some back in death. We are talking 350k tax free, then 40% tax on everything on top of that. I'd be ecstatic to pay inheritance tax because it means I've left over 350k to my loved ones, a little pissed off at being dead (if we are taking it as the dead person paying taxes).

 

So you want to get rid of it, fine, but where are we going to get the shortfall from?

having a government with sensible fiscal policy would be a start 

[Guest MattP]

If they are buried with it does it count as their estate?

 

Your call, I see no problem with it, I understand why some would, but I still see no problem in those that have benefited most from society in life contributing some back in death. We are talking 350k tax free, then 40% tax on everything on top of that. I'd be ecstatic to pay inheritance tax because it means I've left over 350k to my loved ones, a little pissed off at being dead (if we are taking it as the dead person paying taxes).

 

So you want to get rid of it, fine, but where are we going to get the shortfall from?

 

You see this is often the problem with "leftie" politics, "I;d be ok with so everyone else should be", it doesn't work like that.

 

Shortfall, anywhere you want but robbing the dead as far as I'm concerned.

 

We'll start with less MP's, cancel child benefit, no more foreign aid. I'm up for what every you want, hell I'll even agree to cancel Trident before you resort to theft.

[MooseBreath]

You've claimed to be a brave soldier, standing up for the little man, you've threatened to stop posting only to return within seconds, you've posted a single emoticon as a ridiculous attempt at nonchalance, you've typed out a barely comprehensible rant which has no relevance to the discussion, now all you need to do is get in a plug for your book and radio down and out and you will have displayed your full repertoire of kentributions in one thread in one night.

Come on ken. You can do it.

[Guest MattP]

You've claimed to be a brave soldier, standing up for the little man, you've threatened to stop posting only to return within seconds, you've posted a single emoticon as a ridiculous attempt at nonchalance, you've typed out a barely comprehensible rant which has no relevance to the discussion, now all you need to do is get in a plug for your book and radio down and out and you will have displayed your full repertoire of kentributions in one thread in one night.

Come on ken. You can do it.

 

 

I'm crying here, I'm off to bed that's absolutely brilliant to round off the night with.

[Captain...]

I don't feel entitled to it. whatever they give after they pass is what they wish to give me. I'm sure they'd rather it went to family than on the wages of Bureaucrats.

I have to thank the state for somethings, police, infrastructure like roads and a defense force to protect from foreign invasion. but the tax I pay goes on all sorts of other ventures that are entirely unnecessary.

 

the bit I have highlighted. I cant understand how people think money in the hands of the government is better than being in the hands of people. obviously some taxation is needed but too much is counter productive because you remove the incentive to be productive. the government charges people income tax, corporation tax, VAT, road tax, NI tax, the hidden tax of inflation from printing currency, and probably some other taxes I don't even know about and it is still running a deficit. big government and large welfare states are not sustainable and in the end it becomes a self fulfilling  prophecy. take money away from those who create most of the opportunities for people results in their being more people without work. they then have to apply for welfare which means more has to be taken from the people creating the opportunities which means even less opportunities. on top of this the bureaucracy that runs the welfare state has to keep growing to keep up with demand which costs yet more public money (probably where the majority of the taxes collected for welfare go I imagine).

 

I've probably gone a bit of topic but once I get started   

 

Difference of political leanings, I genuinely believe that we need the state to get involved in things, in regulating everyday life and the markets. The NHS and state welfare are great things, yes they are exploited, but by a minority and I would rather see a minority of scroungers than people left to die in the street. 

 

Anyway it's Friday it's late, I'm going to check out the light hearted threads then go to bed.

 

Peace and love you bunch of cvnts.

 

(It is so nice not having to see Moose's drivel should have put him on ignore ages ago)

[Rincewind]

If they are buried with it does it count as their estate?

 

Your call, I see no problem with it, I understand why some would, but I still see no problem in those that have benefited most from society in life contributing some back in death. We are talking 350k tax free, then 40% tax on everything on top of that. I'd be ecstatic to pay inheritance tax because it means I've left over 350k to my loved ones, a little pissed off at being dead (if we are taking it as the dead person paying taxes).

 

So you want to get rid of it, fine, but where are we going to get the shortfall from?

I may get a little from a pension plan and will pay tax on it. No problem for me. It's the law. If I got over 100 grand think it would be around 40% I'm OK with that too mainly because there is no way the fund could be high enough to pay it.

 

[The God Emperor]

Difference of political leanings, I genuinely believe that we need the state to get involved in things, in regulating everyday life and the markets. The NHS and state welfare are great things, yes they are exploited, but by a minority and I would rather see a minority of scroungers than people left to die in the street. 

 

Anyway it's Friday it's late, I'm going to check out the light hearted threads then go to bed.

 

Peace and love you bunch of cvnts.

 

(It is so nice not having to see Moose's drivel should have put him on ignore ages ago)

government most definitely should not be regulating everday life, maybe I'm too optimistic but I believe people are perfectly capable of making their own choices in life

I don't have a go at the 'scroungers', their not the problem, their just doing what they need to to survive like the rest of us. the current welfare state creates more problems for people then it fixes and the 'underclass' as Ive seen moose call it is just a symptom. but too many people on high salaries in government depend on it so it isn't going to change   

 

good night all. now lets be good citizens and thank our father of the people for making the sun rise this morning