Government Tax Advisor quits

[Rincewind]

Caught on film giving tips on how to avoid paying tax which could cost ordinary working tax payers millions.

 

If a low paid worker paid the wrong tax or claimed too much child benefit there would be an uproar on here.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24089463

 

It is not jealousy or envy it is a case of being fair and not having one rule for one and another rule for another.

 

This is all I am saying.

[MooseBreath]

He was caught on film giving business owners tips on how to give deserving employees bonuses without them having it all swallowed up by tax.

As a tax expert he was then brought in by hmrc who wanted him to help reduce the amount of tax evasion.

The film then gets released, he quits the hmrc role to save face and now he'll go back to the other side and advise on tax avoidance again.

This is logic in modern day Britain.

[Strokes]

Im no scrounger, but i avoid paying as much tax as i can and take what im intitled too. Nowt wrong with cash in hand

[Rincewind]

Im no scrounger, but i avoid paying as much tax as i can and take what im intitled too. Nowt wrong with cash in hand

Nothing wrong with taking what you are entitled to.

[Captain...]

Im no scrounger, but i avoid paying as much tax as i can and take what im intitled too. Nowt wrong with cash in hand

Sorry fella but there is a problem with cash in hand because everyone else is paying tax on what they earn and if you ain't that means everyone else is making up the shortfall. The tax rules apply to everyone, pay it or fvck off, simple.

[Jon the Hat]

The tax code is horrendous and it is up to the Governmemt to manage it.

[The People's Hero]

I now have a k code and tax bill. What I take home this month won't even pay the bill. I don't know how ill pay my mortgage.

Hope the scroungers are enjoying the free money I fund!

[Rincewind]

TPH you are entitled to claim too. If you pay into the system take it out. There are many minimum wage part time and no contract workers doing it so why shouldn't you?

[The People's Hero]

TPH you are entitled to claim too. If you pay into the system take it out. There are many minimum wage part time and no contract workers doing it so why shouldn't you?

Because I work. I'm the one paying in.

Don't you realise that if we all took your (excellent, visionary) advice, there would be no one paying in to the pot? Do you understand this?

[Orkneyfox]

Because I work. I'm the one paying in.

Don't you realise that if we all took your (excellent, visionary) advice, there would be no one paying in to the pot? Do you understand this?

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/incometax/codes-basics.htm#3 I thought this might help - but it is in language which is quite opaque to me. Maybe the key phrase is: When a K code is operated, your tax deduction for each pay period cannot be more than half of your gross pay or pension. ? There are benefits which are for people in employment, tax credits, all sorts, well worth checking out that you arent missing out on something that you may be legally entitled to.

[Rincewind]

If your take home pay is below a certain amount you can claim the difference. As I said low paid and part time workers are entitled to it. Benefits are not just for the unemployed council tenants.

[The People's Hero]

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/incometax/codes-basics.htm#3 I thought this might help - but it is in language which is quite opaque to me. Maybe the key phrase is: When a K code is operated, your tax deduction for each pay period cannot be more than half of your gross pay or pension. ? There are benefits which are for people in employment, tax credits, all sorts, well worth checking out that you arent missing out on something that you may be legally entitled to.

Looking in to tax credits. Did actually send off some forms but they were evidently completely ignored or are in a big pile somewhere waiting to be looked at.

It all comes down to the tax man messing up despite constant chasers re my company car and a few other benefits. We filled in those forms twice a year ago. I had a letter from the tax man assuring me my code was correct and no tax owed.

They have now made the adjustment, backdated a load of tax due and put on some miscellaneous charges ie tax for unspecified benefits which neither me or my company know anything about and decided to put me on a k code and charge me 1,300. The code is wrong but legally my company have to apply it.

I've written to the tax man as some of what I'm being charged is wrong, but some is right (although their previous correspondence contradicts what they are now telling me but they do appear now to have the car thing right).

I should have put money aside since I thought it was wrong but the letter from the tax man made me think maybe I would be ok and in truth I've not been in a position to put any money away

In short, I probably need a large pay rise or a new job. I don't mind paying tax but the HMRC seems to be largely staffed by idiots.

So they give me a k code which as I understand it means they cannot legally take more from me and then additionally send me a tax bill. Makes a nonsense of the k code supposedly leaving me enough to live!

I realise I'm ranting and I know I owe the tax so I'm just going to have to sell some stuff, do a bit of private tuition etc to bring in a few quid. Needs must and I will find a way!

Beans on toast for the wife and I for a while. At least breast milk for the twins is free!

[Orkneyfox]

Looking in to tax credits. Did actually send off some forms but they were evidently completely ignored or are in a big pile somewhere waiting to be looked at.

It all comes down to the tax man messing up despite constant chasers re my company car and a few other benefits. We filled in those forms twice a year ago. I had a letter from the tax man assuring me my code was correct and no tax owed.

They have now made the adjustment, backdated a load of tax due and put on some miscellaneous charges ie tax for unspecified benefits which neither me or my company know anything about and decided to put me on a k code and charge me 1,300. The code is wrong but legally my company have to apply it.

I've written to the tax man as some of what I'm being charged is wrong, but some is right (although their previous correspondence contradicts what they are now telling me but they do appear now to have the car thing right).

I should have put money aside since I thought it was wrong but the letter from the tax man made me think maybe I would be ok and in truth I've not been in a position to put any money away

In short, I probably need a large pay rise or a new job. I don't mind paying tax but the HMRC seems to be largely staffed by idiots.

So they give me a k code which as I understand it means they cannot legally take more from me and then additionally send me a tax bill. Makes a nonsense of the k code supposedly leaving me enough to live!

I realise I'm ranting and I know I owe the tax so I'm just going to have to sell some stuff, do a bit of private tuition etc to bring in a few quid. Needs must and I will find a way!

Beans on toast for the wife and I for a while. At least breast milk for the twins is free!

Sounds tough and i wouldn't want to be in your position. I recently went to a tax seminar for people about to become self employed. The HMRC man there said his education section had been cut from 40 staff to 3 and was shortly to close. This suggest that rather than being idiots ( which of course they may be) they are so short staffed that they rush everything and therefore make more mistakes, not that is any help to you!

[MooseBreath]

Sorry fella but there is a problem with cash in hand because everyone else is paying tax on what they earn and if you ain't that means everyone else is making up the shortfall. The tax rules apply to everyone, pay it or fvck off, simple.

Says the guy who freelances through his ltd company and therefore pays no more than 20% despite earning well above the higher rate tax threshold.

Phooking hypocrite, barstood champagne socialist, sickening, urgh

[Rincewind]

TPH you are too honest. There are people who know everything they can claim and do which makes it look bad for those that do not know'

I agree the staff at the tax office can be idiots as can the staff at many government offices but I am not surprised if staff are being cut back as OF says.

Don't be too proud to ask for help.

[The People's Hero]

Sounds tough and i wouldn't want to be in your position. I recently went to a tax seminar for people about to become self employed. The HMRC man there said his education section had been cut from 40 staff to 3 and was shortly to close. This suggest that rather than being idiots ( which of course they may be) they are so short staffed that they rush everything and therefore make more mistakes, not that is any help to you!

It's a small thing really but the timing is bad and in truth I just don't need the stress. I'm quite pragmatic about the money. Ill find a way.

What annoys me more than anything is the attitude of the people I've spoken to at hmrc. They seem to be able to wash their hands on their previous correspondence. I understand it was probably just completely wrong, so understandable they'd want to but I don't have the money to pay them right now

Ultimately. Some money is due to them and I do owe that so I can't grumble on that score.

[The People's Hero]

TPH you are too honest. There are people who know everything they can claim and do which makes it look bad for those that do not know'

I agree the staff at the tax office can be idiots as can the staff at many government offices but I am not surprised if staff are being cut back as OF says.

Don't be too proud to ask for help.

I'm not convinced I'm entitled to anything.

My wife claims child allowance or whatever it's called so I guess we are benefit claimers!

It's a bit of a mess but we will sort it.

[Rincewind]

I'm not convinced I'm entitled to anything.

My wife claims child allowance or whatever it's called so I guess we are benefit claimers!

It's a bit of a mess but we will sort it.

Is there a CAB near you? They may be able to help and advise on the tax problem. Won't the HRMC take installments?

[The People's Hero]

They will have to!

I may sell my sons premium bonds to pay the bill. Seems a bit low though! And it won't pay it all but still.

I will pay a token amount to get them off my back and in the meantime hope the correspondence I've sent in will be read and the bill revised

In the meantime I shall ask for a payrise!

[Strokes]

Sorry fella but there is a problem with cash in hand because everyone else is paying tax on what they earn and if you ain't that means everyone else is making up the shortfall. The tax rules apply to everyone, pay it or fvck off, simple.

Not the case, i pay tax in my full time job. I pay tax on my £150 a month fuel bill, if i can get the odd job at the weekend i wont declare it and why should i?

[The People's Hero]

I've had previous experiences with HMRC which have shaped my view of them.

A year or so ago they sent me 2,300 tax rebate or something similar. I wasn't due a rebate. I didn't immediately call them but equally I didn't spend it. 2 months later (quick for them) they send me a personalised and quite shirty letter asking for the 3,623 (or something like that) back plus interest. I sent them back both letters and a cheque post dated by about a month for the 2,200. I have no idea where they got the figures from. I stated by accepting the cheque they were doing so in full settlement. They accepted it and I never heard anything more. No acknowledgement. Nothing. They cashed the cheque. I rang them and was told the 2,200 was rebated to me in error and that was all I owed them back and thanks. No explanation of where the other figure came from.

Earlier this year I had a period of a month where I received the same two alternating tax codes on different days and then the same tax code for about 2 weeks. I had over 20 letters. I rang HMRC who denied sending me any letters at all! I got the girls name and sent all the letters for her attention. When I called a week or so later, she said she'd received them but that HMRC definitely didn't send them and that she'd send me a letter confirming the tax code I should be using.

That letter turned up three or four times.

I gave up.

[Bryn]

He was caught on film giving business owners tips on how to give deserving employees bonuses without them having it all swallowed up by tax.

As a tax expert he was then brought in by hmrc who wanted him to help reduce the amount of tax evasion.

The film then gets released, he quits the hmrc role to save face and now he'll go back to the other side and advise on tax avoidance again.

This is logic in modern day Britain.

 

While I'm not sure I agree with your sentiment, I do agree with your final conclusion. One of the issues with modern politics, individual scandal has greater weight than the end product of government.

[Zingari]

I now have a k code and tax bill. What I take home this month won't even pay the bill. I don't know how ill pay my mortgage.

Hope the scroungers are enjoying the free money I fund!

If you can't beat them, why don't you join them? Give up your job and live the life of luxury on benefits 

Don't be selfish and say you want to work , put the well being of your family first.

 

There's no need to feel guilty about doing this because you could always go out and clean the sewers on scrub dog shit and chewing gum  off the pavements to justify your new found wealth. 

You've created a new job opportunity for someone else , you're better off and lots of jobs that need doing are getting done .

Everyone's a winner 

 

Easy peasy 

[Captain...]

Not the case, i pay tax in my full time job. I pay tax on my £150 a month fuel bill, if i can get the odd job at the weekend i wont declare it and why should i?

Because it's the law, you don't get to pick and choose which laws you obey. You may say it's unfair, you may even be right, but it is the law. We all pay a lot of tax, and none of us enjoy it but it is a fact of life. You may think your couple of jobs at the weekend for a mate is nothing, but there are millions maybe billions of pounds not being declared in tax, that deficit needs to be made up.

[Strokes]

Because it's the law, you don't get to pick and choose which laws you obey. You may say it's unfair, you may even be right, but it is the law. We all pay a lot of tax, and none of us enjoy it but it is a fact of life. You may think your couple of jobs at the weekend for a mate is nothing, but there are millions maybe billions of pounds not being declared in tax, that deficit needs to be made up.

I wouldnt get the job if it was declared, he would just struggle on his own. Im cool with it as it doesnt affect my working tax credits, its a nice little bonus that means i can afford to treat the kids.

It doesnt matter to me that you object, i seriously doubt you would do any different in my situation. I pay the money out into the economy so it all gets taxed eventually, so thats how i justify it to MYSELF.