Rincewind Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 Well not really just a pensioner not paying his council tax. A retired university lecturer as well. http://www.nottinghampost.com/Basford-pensioner-sent-prison-paying-council-tax/story-20806518-detail/story.html Does he deserve to go in the absolute cvnts? just kidding
Guest MattP Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 I don't get it. Yesterday you were annoyed at the government because you said they were doing nothing about people who were avoiding tax?
Rincewind Posted 14 March 2014 Author Posted 14 March 2014 I am not questioning the crime but the punishment.
Rincewind Posted 14 March 2014 Author Posted 14 March 2014 Well it seems it was in protest against cuts in services so I am not sure. He is not hard up for money and can afford to pay so he was doing it on principle. Prison will not change his mind. May it was right. At least he has brought the issues into the public domain through the media.
Guest MattP Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 Most will think he's an idiot though, cuts are being made as the council is skint and he's actually adding to the problem by refusing to pay his bills or court costs. Next time the Labour party get in will I be supported if I refuse to pay any tax because I don't want to pay for the Iraq War etc? Should we all be able to refuse to pay tax? I don't believe I should pay the TV license fee, the BBC don't represent me and I don't think I should be forced to pay for it. Do you think it would be dangerous to set a precedent where a man was set free for refusing to pay tax on his principals? What if the bankers refuse to pay tax and say they'll keep your money and not give it you unless you allow them not to?
Webbo Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 It seems that he wanted to go to jail so what's the problem? When he's served his 28 days and he realises no one cares perhaps he'll grow up.
Leicfox Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 I am not questioning the crime but the punishment.If non payment of council tax is a crime why doesn't it show up on a criminal record check? It's all a bit disgusting sending a person to prison over a civil matter like this.
Rincewind Posted 14 March 2014 Author Posted 14 March 2014 It was only the fact that he could afford to pay it that he went to jail. The jails would be even more crowded if al those that cannot afford to pay it were sent to jail. Matt, income tax is not Council tax. Two different kind of taxes but if a 'banker' did not pay for the same reason then I would applaud him in principle the same way that I would criticise the pensioner if he had used the saved money to fund a Caribbean cruise. Greed and compassion I view differently. Maybe the pensioner could have gone about it in another way. Being an ex university lecturer I would guess he would have a good speaking voice which would be useful as a spokesperson in campaigns.
Jon the Hat Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 Why is the fact that he is a pensioner relevant Ken? (Hint - it isn't). Council tax is a tax just like income tax, only more specificly paying for services. In my view you would have a better case refusing to pay income tax!
Guest MattP Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 It was only the fact that he could afford to pay it that he went to jail. The jails would be even more crowded if al those that cannot afford to pay it were sent to jail. Matt, income tax is not Council tax. Two different kind of taxes but if a 'banker' did not pay for the same reason then I would applaud him in principle the same way that I would criticise the pensioner if he had used the saved money to fund a Caribbean cruise. Greed and compassion I view differently. Maybe the pensioner could have gone about it in another way. Being an ex university lecturer I would guess he would have a good speaking voice which would be useful as a spokesperson in campaigns. Surely we fact we don't jail people who can't afford it shows we are a compassionate society? I look forward to you "applauding" the next million dollar banker who refuses to pay his tax on principle.
Guest MattP Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 If non payment of council tax is a crime why doesn't it show up on a criminal record check? It's all a bit disgusting sending a person to prison over a civil matter like this. What else can you do really? If you don't you'll end up with tons of people deciding not to pay it in "protest". The man is an idiot and as Webbo says he should grow up.
Rincewind Posted 14 March 2014 Author Posted 14 March 2014 As long as it the principle is not greed. I think you know what I mean. Not being drawn into a long winded argument over it. Why bankers anyway? There are some worse than them. If you cocked up in your job you would not be rewarded. Success should be rewarded not failings. Anyway I'm off to the beer festival. I will think of you being hard at work while I'm downing my drinks. its open till 11pm and tomorrow.
MooseBreath Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 As long as it the principle is not greed... Anyway I'm off to the beer festival. I will think of you being hard at work while I'm downing my drinks. Sums you up perfectly.
GingerrrFox Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 Councils aren't skint. They just don't want to touch the money reserves they've got stored up.
Guest MattP Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 Sums you up perfectly. The amazing thing is there is actually no shame about it at all. Supporting people refusing to pay tax whilst getting the drunk all day on taxpayers money. You couldn't make it up. Councils aren't skint. They just don't want to touch the money reserves they've got stored up. Don't think Landsbanki has that anymore.
lavrentis Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 Anyway I'm off to the beer festival. I will think of you being hard at work while I'm downing my drinks. its open till 11pm and tomorrow. That is what is called work ethic. Mick Philpott is proud.
Alf Bentley Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 Anyway I'm off to the beer festival. I will think of you being hard at work while I'm downing my drinks. its open till 11pm and tomorrow. The amazing thing is there is actually no shame about it at all. Supporting people refusing to pay tax whilst getting the drunk all day on taxpayers money. You couldn't make it up. That is what is called work ethic. Mick Philpott is proud. I thought Ken was on a pension of some sort now? If so, surely as a consumer in the free market he's just exercising his freedom to choose to invest his hard-earned cash in the brewing sector? A patriotic choice, too, as most of the breweries will be British..... Unless he's omitted to mention it, he hasn't fathered a dozen children or burnt his house down and killed half of them, either. Have one for me, Ken! We'll try to get a "Kenny Rincewind's having a party" chant going tomorrow. Just don't get arrested for being drunk and disorderly or anything....that would be an irony too far, given the title of your thread!
MooseBreath Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 I thought Ken was on a pension of some sort now? If so, surely as a consumer in the free market he's just exercising his freedom to choose to invest his hard-earned cash in the brewing sector? A patriotic choice, too, as most of the breweries will be British..... Unless he's omitted to mention it, he hasn't fathered a dozen children or burnt his house down and killed half of them, either. Have one for me, Ken! We'll try to get a "Kenny Rincewind's having a party" chant going tomorrow. Just don't get arrested for being drunk and disorderly or anything....that would be an irony too far, given the title of your thread! He is below the pension age I believe and is perfectly capable of working, but he clearly has no intention of finding a job now that he has secured a comfortable tax payer funded boozy lifestyle. He now appears to see no problem with simultaneously criticising this system while showing off about the lifestyle it gives him. He's just brilliant in every way.
Guest MattP Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 I thought Ken was on a pension of some sort now? If so, surely as a consumer in the free market he's just exercising his freedom to choose to invest his hard-earned cash in the brewing sector? A patriotic choice, too, as most of the breweries will be British..... Unless he's omitted to mention it, he hasn't fathered a dozen children or burnt his house down and killed half of them, either. Have one for me, Ken! We'll try to get a "Kenny Rincewind's having a party" chant going tomorrow. Just don't get arrested for being drunk and disorderly or anything....that would be an irony too far, given the title of your thread! I wish I could answer the first line, I asked him numerous times but never got an answer, I should have done in the Parcel Yard, he isn't pension age and he says he has never had a private pension so I've still not worked it out as to how and why. I'll start it tomorrow then "Kenny Rincewind's having a party, bring your buckfast and your giro!"
Alf Bentley Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 He is below the pension age I believe and is perfectly capable of working, but he clearly has no intention of finding a job now that he has secured a comfortable tax payer funded boozy lifestyle. He now appears to see no problem with simultaneously criticising this system while showing off about the lifestyle it gives him. He's just brilliant in every way. Ah, well! I don't know about that either way....but look forward to asking him about it over a pint some time. Not today, though! What do you do for kicks yourself, Moose? Finecomb your accounts looking for extra sums of tax that you can pay to the Treasury to reduce public sector debt? Go down to the local puritan chapel to give a fire & brimstone sermon against drunken debauchery?
Guest Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 Shouldn't a person be allowed to spend their income in whichever non-law breaking way they choose to? Why do Matt and Moose think that they have the right to indicate how income should be spent?
Guest MattP Posted 14 March 2014 Posted 14 March 2014 Shouldn't a person be allowed to spend their income in whichever non-law breaking way they choose to? Why do Matt and Moose think that they have the right to indicate how income should be spent? Neither of us have, just pointing out the amusement in someone who non stop criticises the working tax payer whilst also having his lifestyle completely funded by it. Trust me if Miliband gets in I'll be signing on myself to see what I can get, be prepared for a big income tax rise Fiffy. I'm intending to start boozing seven days a week rather than three. I'm 31 now, must be due pension credits.
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