Another Dangerous Crim goes to Jail

[Rincewind]

So the Tory's are doing away with the equality laws now? Good on you David.

[Webbo]

So the Tory's are doing away with the equality laws now? Good on you David.

How did you come to that conclusion?

[Rincewind]

I was just mucking about. I cannot take Moose serious.

 

Mooses assumption that I was 'exploiting a loophole'. They may be phasing pension credidits out but it has nothing to do with it being a loophole as Moose seems to thinkm it is the fact that men and women's retirement age are to be the same.

[MooseBreath]

I was just mucking about. I cannot take Moose serious.

Mooses assumption that I was 'exploiting a loophole'. They may be phasing pension credidits out but it has nothing to do with it being a loophole as Moose seems to thinkm it is the fact that men and women's retirement age are to be the same.

Semantics. I think loophole is the best way to describe a temporary scenario where one law hasn't had enough time to catch up with another. And what else are you doing but exploiting it?

[Guest MattP]

Let me get this right.

You can now just retire at 60 despite never having taken a private pension for pretty much no reason whatsoever, whereas I'm being told I have to go on until I'm 67?

How has this been allowed to happen?

[MooseBreath]

Let me get this right.

You can now just retire at 60 despite never having taken a private pension for pretty much no reason whatsoever, whereas I'm being told I have to go on until I'm 67?

How has this been allowed to happen?

They are also means tested so only people who have never bothered to save any money can retire early on the taxpayer. It is really warped.

[Rincewind]

Why are you lot not down the pub for a pre match drink instead of harassing a poor OAP?     

[Guest MattP]

I'm in the pub now.

[Zingari]

Let me get this right.

You can now just retire at 60 despite never having taken a private pension for pretty much no reason whatsoever, whereas I'm being told I have to go on until I'm 67?

How has this been allowed to happen?

Why  work until your 67 , you can go on benefits too can't you ?

But surely if you're capable of doing something you should work , that's your philosophy ain't it?

You keep bangin on about how people should work if they are capable so you're now getting what you want .

And if you're so proud of yourself and  want to work while you're still capable  and not be a burden on society  or a layabout , stop fookin moaning about it .

 

Ther's no pleasin' some people!!

[Rincewind]

As I have said before I doubt any employer would take me on doing the kind of work I did when I was younger if they can get someone younger and fitter who would be able to do the job quicker and therefore the employer would get more production from them.

I have no experience in office work, finance, selling, or even banking and what employer will train someone for five years plus when there is a chance they will take time off for ill health or death. Put yourself in the place of the employer. I would have still been working now if it was not for the company I was with going up the spout because the boss defaulted with payments. I would have loved to be carry on working and like I said if I was not drawing PC I would most likely still be on JSA so what is the difference?

I have freed the job market up for one more Lamby to have the opportunity of a job. I do my volunteer work. I was doing part time until January but still do the same non paid. I do receive a private pension but it is not enough to live on.

[MPH]

As I have said before I doubt any employer would take me on doing the kind of work I did when I was younger if they can get someone younger and fitter who would be able to do the job quicker and therefore the employer would get more production from them.

I have no experience in office work, finance, selling, or even banking and what employer will train someone for five years plus when there is a chance they will take time off for ill health or death. Put yourself in the place of the employer. I would have still been working now if it was not for the company I was with going up the spout because the boss defaulted with payments. I would have loved to be carry on working and like I said if I was not drawing PC I would most likely still be on JSA so what is the difference?

I have freed the job market up for one more Lamby to have the opportunity of a job. I do my volunteer work. I was doing part time until January but still do the same non paid. I do receive a private pension but it is not enough to live on.

 

 

You Don't know if you don't try....

 

 

My stepdad, at the age of 57 was hired by Marks& Spencer to work in their packing and warehouseplus stocking shelves, ect. I'd be incredibly surprised if someone younger than him didn't apply for the job too...

[MooseBreath]

There's plenty of evidence that older people are finding it easier than ever to get jobs in this market. There's a whole generarion of youth coming through who grew up under labour and a lot of them are totally unprepared for the world of work. Employers value the experience and maturity of older people so it's complete nonsense to use age as an excuse not to look for work.

[Rincewind]

I spent 2  years searching from the ages of 60-62. It is not an excuse it is a reality of life. I had my name down for M&S. No response.

[Alf Bentley]

Let me get this right.

You can now just retire at 60 despite never having taken a private pension for pretty much no reason whatsoever, whereas I'm being told I have to go on until I'm 67?

How has this been allowed to happen?

 

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, Matt, but the official site reckons you're due to work until you're 68, not 67.

66 for me, which surprised me - thought it was already 67 for me. Pension Credit will have gone by the time each of us make it, too, if we do...

[Alf Bentley]

 

What do you do for kicks yourself, Moose? Finecomb your accounts looking for extra sums of tax that you can pay to the Treasury to reduce public sector debt? Go down to the local puritan chapel to give a fire & brimstone sermon against drunken debauchery? 

 

No I don't actually do either of those things.

 

Come on, spill the beans, Moose....what are your hobbies?!

 

Aside from work and childcare, I'm into family history, a bit of travel, the odd country walk, loud and lively music, a bit of reading.... and rather a lot of watching football, arguing about politics and swilling ale recently. Must improve my lifestyle now Spring is here!

 

So, what are you into, Moose, if not S&M, puritan sermons or tax accounts? You're obviously quite a combative fellow, patriotic, with strong moral values and a belief in contributing to society....

 

I'm guessing that you collect WW2 military uniforms (but are too sane to wear them in public on military parades....maybe while posting on FT?). Church bell ringing at Evensong? A bit of Morris dancing? Do you like to march out for a bit of a Ding-a-Ling and a "Hey, Nonny-No!" of a weekend?

 

Must go! Football, followed by televised football in the pub.....Spring starts the day after tomorrow!

[Zingari]

people shouldn't be complaining of later retirement age 

 

Why should a physically fit 65 y o person be able to retire, but a 62 y o person with disabilities be forced to work  ?

Surely if they both  can pass the fitness for work test they should be treated equally . why not keep people at work until they no longer can pass the fitness for work test ?

The old age pensions were designed for an age when at 65 you were probably more of a liability in the workplace and probably only had a year or two to live.

This can't really carry on , you will probably have to work until 70-75  in my estimation if you're in your 30's now , and why not ? 

If you live until 80 . you'll still get more years of pension than was the original expectation.

Not forgetting people of 65 ish now would probably have left school at 15 , not still in a classroom learning the history of art. until 20 ish.

 

 

Considering toryboys  want to engender an attitude where everyone has the self respect and work rather than be a burden to society who has to pay for them  , 

The retirement age has to be a lot older than now , and considering your philosophy , you should be applauding this longer work years move!!

 

Enjoy your new found liberty   

[MooseBreath]

I've no problem with the state pension age going up. It's perfectly logical. Doesn't bind anyone to working that long if they take responsibility for their own affairs. I'll be able to retire pretty comfortably at 55 if everything goes to plan.

[Zingari]

I've no problem with the state pension age going up. It's perfectly logical. Doesn't bind anyone to working that long if they take responsibility for their own affairs. I'll be able to retire pretty comfortably at 55 if everything goes to plan.

It worked for me and  so long as you can lower your expectations of lifestyle it's really good , i've had time to do the things i want to do

. i live quite well though  want for nothing , but i don't waste money anymore on really frivolous stuff .

good luck Moosey , hope it works for you 

[Rincewind]

I have no real problem with the retirement age being higher but as Zing says it should be reliant on fitness. The last couple of years in work I was feeling tired a lot and was struggling physically. i was doing 48 hours a week and it was not good for my health but I carried on because it was a job and did not want to be out of work. I left school at 16 so had no gap years then uni before starting work so maybe 45 years is enough. With another occupation or a family to support I would probably done more but I have taken a reduction in income and forgone multiple holidays football matches, Sky TV and other luxuries to stop working a couple of years earlier than I had intended. Swings and roundabouts of life.

[Strokes]

I've no problem with the state pension age going up. It's perfectly logical. Doesn't bind anyone to working that long if they take responsibility for their own affairs. I'll be able to retire pretty comfortably at 55 if everything goes to plan.

Same here, I put 15% of my wages into a private pension that I can withdraw at 55. I've not made plans for what where and when but its nice to know it will be there as and when.

[Guest MattP]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, Matt, but the official site reckons you're due to work until you're 68, not 67.

66 for me, which surprised me - thought it was already 67 for me. Pension Credit will have gone by the time each of us make it, too, if we do...

Just lost a years retirement in seconds as you say though, if I get there medical care will have seriously improved. I drank about 200 units this weekend.

Ken I'm intrigued as to why you don't think you can find work.

You have posted pictures of yourself in office type scenarios that you volunteer for, when I met you seemed coherent and capable. I would employ you in a basic part time office role no problem.

[lavrentis]

Just lost a years retirement in seconds as you say though, if I get there medical care will have seriously improved. I drank about 200 units this weekend.

Ken I'm intrigued as to why you don't think you can find work.

You have posted pictures of yourself in office type scenarios that you volunteer for, when I met you seemed coherent and capable. I would employ you in a basic part time office role no problem.

 

And then sack him a week later

[Guest MattP]

And then sack him a week later

Report him to the JSA

[Zingari]

And then sack him a week later

.............after repeatedly having his wicked way wit him  over the photocopier .........