Another Dangerous Crim goes to Jail

[Guest]

Neither of us have, just pointing out the amusement in someone who non stop criticises the working tax payer whilst also having his lifestyle completely funded by it.

 

Trust me if Miliband gets in I'll be signing on myself to see what I can get, be prepared for a big income tax rise Fiffy. I'm intending to start boozing seven days a week rather than three. I'm 31 now, must be due pension credits.

 

So don't you think that there should be any form of benefits payments to people in England?

 

I don't know for sure, but I imagine Ken paid into the system when he was working, giving him a right to expect payments when he has retired.

 

Isn't that like you paying insurance premiums and getting a payout when your ferrari gets scratched?

 

After years of taxation and welfare contributions I hope that you get a retirement pension that allows you to have a drink every now and again if you want one.

[Guest MattP]

So don't you think that there should be any form of benefits payments to people in England?

 

I don't know for sure, but I imagine Ken paid into the system when he was working, giving him a right to expect payments when he has retired.

 

Isn't that like you paying insurance premiums and getting a payout when your ferrari gets scratched?

 

After years of taxation and welfare contributions I hope that you get a retirement pension that allows you to have a drink every now and again if you want one.

 

Why are you going on about pensions? Ken is nowhere near pension age and he has said on numerous occasions he doesn't hold a private pension.

 

Nothing I have said either has indicated that I don't think benefits should be paid to people who need them.

[Strokes]

So don't you think that there should be any form of benefits payments to people in England?

I don't know for sure, but I imagine Ken paid into the system when he was working, giving him a right to expect payments when he has retired.

Isn't that like you paying insurance premiums and getting a payout when your ferrari gets scratched?

After years of taxation and welfare contributions I hope that you get a retirement pension that allows you to have a drink every now and again if you want one.

I don't think his Ferrari has been scratched yet.

[Guest MattP]

I don't think his Ferrari has been scratched yet.

 

 

I don't even drive let alone have a decent motor!

[Guest]

 

I don't even drive let alone have a decent motor!

 

I was thinking about my own!

 

[Strokes]

I don't even drive let alone have a decent motor!

Driving is no fun in this day and age anyway, although I might reconsider if I had a Ferrari.

[MooseBreath]

Ken hasn't reached retirement age yet. He is taking pension credits which were brought in by Labour to essentially give people of a certain age the choice to retire early. It was of course just vote buying that came with the added advantage of chopping a few people from the unemployment stats. So I'd suggest the argument that ken has tried his hardest to work until retirement age and is now just taking back what he paid for is invalid to some degree at least.

Nevertheless he is entitled to the money and as far as I'm concerned he can spend it however he wants. He has previously stated that he was advised by his doctor that he needs to stop drinking. If I was being particularly harsh I might point out that his decision to ignore that advice and continue drinking himself into oblivion every day is quite socially irresponsible since it is inevitability the tax payer who will have to pay for the additional treatment that will surely result from his ignorance of the advice he has been given. But that would be harsh, and I wouldn't want to see ken denied his only pleasure.

The only issue I have is the hypocrisy of his constant croticism of a system which he clearly delights in benefitting from. I just can't see how he can expect anyone to take him seriously when he displays this hypocrisy in the vulgar manner he has done in this thread.

[Guest]

Ken hasn't reached retirement age yet. He is taking pension credits which were brought in by Labour to essentially give people of a certain age the choice to retire early. It was of course just vote buying that came with the added advantage of chopping a few people from the unemployment stats. So I'd suggest the argument that ken has tried his hardest to work until retirement age and is now just taking back what he paid for is invalid to some degree at least.

Nevertheless he is entitled to the money and as far as I'm concerned he can spend it however he wants. He has previously stated that he was advised by his doctor that he needs to stop drinking. If I was being particularly harsh I might point out that his decision to ignore that advice and continue drinking himself into oblivion every day is quite socially irresponsible since it is inevitability the tax payer who will have to pay for the additional treatment that will surely result from his ignorance of the advice he has been given. But that would be harsh, and I wouldn't want to see ken denied his only pleasure.

The only issue I have is the hypocrisy of his constant croticism of a system which he clearly delights in benefitting from. I just can't see how he can expect anyone to take him seriously when he displays this hypocrisy in the vulgar manner he has done in this thread.

 

Maybe his drinking will mean a premature death and then save the tax payer money. Does that make it socially responsible.

 

My point was that he should be able to spend his money howsoever he wishes, without judgement.

[Jon the Hat]

Could we also ditch this preposterous idea that your average working man pays enough in Tax and NI to fund their pension?  Given the top 1% of earners pay 25% of income tax, and the top 10% pay more than half of total income tax I think we can safely assume that as NI is essentially also a tax that the state pensions of those earning an average wage have also been heavily subsidised by those fortunate enough to earn more.

 

Even if we pretend that the "pension pot" is real rather than just another huge black hole in our public finances.

[Zingari]

 

I can sympathise with him in many ways . The services are being reduced , but the council tax has gone  up . Why should we keep paying the same amount  or even more , for less ? 

Would any private company get away with reducing their commitment to provide services while keeping the right to charge the same or more ?

You'd then  have the right to withold payments. Would you get jailed for that , or would the company be in breach of contract ?

 

Fair play to the ol' booger, we need a few rebels like him. We're pushed around too easily unless a few make a stand . The anti unfair poll tax spirit is not dead yet .

 

power to da people !!

[Guest]

Could we also ditch this preposterous idea that your average working man pays enough in Tax and NI to fund their pension?  Given the top 1% of earners pay 25% of income tax, and the top 10% pay more than half of total income tax I think we can safely assume that as NI is essentially also a tax that the state pensions of those earning an average wage have also been heavily subsidised by those fortunate enough to earn more.

 

Even if we pretend that the "pension pot" is real rather than just another huge black hole in our public finances.

 

Could we also realise that the average working man pays VAT, alcohol tax, Tobacco tax, car tax, ...... which is used by the govt. to pay pensions. 

 

The rich should maybe look at what they get rather than what they pay. They get so much more than the "average working man" so they shouldn't complain.

[Jon the Hat]

Could we also realise that the average working man pays VAT, alcohol tax, Tobacco tax, car tax, ...... which is used by the govt. to pay pensions. 

 

The rich should maybe look at what they get rather than what they pay. They get so much more than the "average working man" so they shouldn't complain.

 

There is a marked difference between getting something you earnt and getting something someone else paid for.

[Jon the Hat]

 

 

I can sympathise with him in many ways . The services are being reduced , but the council tax has gone  up . Why should we keep paying the same amount  or even more , for less ? 

Would any private company get away with reducing their commitment to provide services while keeping the right to charge the same or more ?

You'd then  have the right to withold payments. Would you get jailed for that , or would the company be in breach of contract ?

 

Fair play to the ol' booger, we need a few rebels like him. We're pushed around too easily unless a few make a stand . The anti unfair poll tax spirit is not dead yet .

 

power to da people !!

 

 

He isnt fighting austerity, he is causing more of it.  He is right to hold councils to account for theire spending though, and It pisses me off no end that councils are cutting front line services when the should be looking at their levels of management, consultancy and back office costs before they even think about touching the front line.  Unfortunately cuts in funding are the only tool the government has to force efficiency, and they are powerless to make councils do anything.  Which would be fine if actual councillors weren't in most cases mostly powerless to influence let alone control the unelected civil servants running the councils.

[Guest]

There is a marked difference between getting something you earnt and getting something someone else paid for.

 

What's your definition of " an average working man" then?

 

I'd suggest that he gets a lot less than he's earned compared to the highly taxed - many of whom do bugger all.

[Zingari]

He isnt fighting austerity, he is causing more of it.  He is right to hold councils to account for theire spending though, and It pisses me off no end that councils are cutting front line services when the should be looking at their levels of management, consultancy and back office costs before they even think about touching the front line.  Unfortunately cuts in funding are the only tool the government has to force efficiency, and they are powerless to make councils do anything.  Which would be fine if actual councillors weren't in most cases mostly powerless to influence let alone control the unelected civil servants running the councils.

Yes, he's adding to it , not causing it , and what else can Joe public do ? 

You agree with him in principle , but don't say how else he or anyone else  can effect change.

 

Should we all just shut up and pay up whatever they do ? Would you let a private company just move the goalposts at will?

[Jon the Hat]

Yes, he's adding to it , not causing it , and what else can Joe public do ? 

You agree with him in principle , but don't say how else he or anyone else  can effect change.

 

Should we all just shut up and pay up whatever they do ? Would you let a private company just move the goalposts at will?

They can hold their council to account.  Attend council meetings, stand for election, lobby the council, get in the paper, study the accounts and ask specific questions.  Compare his council to others in various cost metrics.  There are ways of doing this, and indeed he has got in the paper.

[Webbo]

Yes, he's adding to it , not causing it , and what else can Joe public do ? 

You agree with him in principle , but don't say how else he or anyone else  can effect change.

 

Should we all just shut up and pay up whatever they do ? Would you let a private company just move the goalposts at will?

A private company can go out of business a council can't.

[Guest MattP]

"Jailed for fighting Austerity" -   Even DNO would be pushing it with a front page headline like that.

 

 

Yes, he's adding to it , not causing it , and what else can Joe public do ?

 

Lots of things, protest properly, work for an independant candidate, support and vote for parties who favour lower taxation. I've been campaigning against the TV license for years, still am and now support for a rethink on it is growing and it's even being debated in parliament.

 

What you can't do though is take the law into your own hands.

 

Where was his protest against the last government spunking all the money up the wall on wars, banks, spongers etc that has caused this?

 

He's trying to make a political point and looking very stupid.

[The Horse's Mouth]

It was only the fact that he could afford to pay it that he went to jail. The jails would be even more crowded if al those that cannot afford to pay it were sent to jail.

Matt, income tax is not Council tax. Two different kind of taxes but if a 'banker' did not pay for the same reason then I would applaud him in principle the same way that I would criticise the pensioner if he had used the saved money to fund a Caribbean cruise.

Greed and compassion I view differently.

Maybe the pensioner could have gone about it in another way. Being an ex university lecturer I would guess he would have a good speaking voice which would be useful as a spokesperson in campaigns.

Surely that makes it worse if it could afford to pay it?

[Guest MattP]

Whilst I'm on the BBC.

 

They have just announced that Newsnight have replaced Stephanie Flanders (who dated both Miliband and Balls) with Duncan Weldon of the TUC.

 

That's BBC balance for you. They are unreal, flaunt it right to your face and still deny it.

[Alf Bentley]

Whilst I'm on the BBC.

 

They have just announced that Newsnight have replaced Stephanie Flanders (who dated both Miliband and Balls) with Duncan Weldon of the TUC.

 

That's BBC balance for you. They are unreal, flaunt it right to your face and still deny it.

 

Whereas Political Editor Nick Robinson was an active member of the Conservative Party for years and Andrew Neill was editor of The Sunday Times, a paper broadly sympathetic to the right....and very good they both are. Robert Peston is supposedly very close to Murdoch and City of London financiers. I'd imagine that Stephanie Flanders is leftish-inclined, but she now has a senior position at JP Morgan, so maybe she blows with the wind...

 

Hislop and Paxman are disillusioned Lib Dem sympathisers, I believe. I presume that Andrew Marr is a Labour sympathiser as he's married to Jacqui Ashley, Guardian journalist and daughter of an ex-Labour MP....unless she's chucked him out for his philandering, of course.   I heard rumours that Emily Maitlis is a party animal of a different type...

 

Get out of your bunker, Matt! The left aren't controlling the world....rather the opposite, I'm afraid to say!

[Webbo]

Robert Peston's father is a Labour Peer.

[Alf Bentley]

He is below the pension age I believe and is perfectly capable of working, but he clearly has no intention of finding a job now that he has secured a comfortable tax payer funded boozy lifestyle. He now appears to see no problem with simultaneously criticising this system while showing off about the lifestyle it gives him. He's just brilliant in every way.

 

 

I wish I could answer the first line, I asked him numerous times but never got an answer, I should have done in the Parcel Yard, he isn't pension age and he says he has never had a private pension so I've still not worked it out as to how and why.

 

I'll start it tomorrow then

 

"Kenny Rincewind's having a party, bring your buckfast and your giro!"

 

It's up to Ken to decide what he says and doesn't say, obviously, but I did find his LinkedIn page earlier (I'll connect with you later, Ken). Unless he's been telling porkies on there, he was in paid employment from Sept. 1967 until June 2011....44 years work, so maybe he's earned the right to a few pints inbetween his DNO activities!

 

Astonishing to think that he was starting work at the precise moment that I was starting infants class (and I'm 51)... 

[Rincewind]

I am retired. With the retirement age for men and women being brought in line it was decided (EU) that it would be discriminating against men if they have to retire at a later age. So for men they can take Pension credit. I am just taking advantage of this. My choice was this or carry on drawing JSA and going down the Job Centre every fortnight and facing the ogres down there. My income would be the same only I would have been paid through another government department.

As it was becoming increasingly unlikely that I would obtain employment partly due to age and physical issues t I took the PC option.

I am probably receiving a little less than if I was working in a low paid unskilled job which could end at anytime leaving me with having another year or two on JSA. I reach 65 in 2016 so it is only three years short.

 

Alf I don't use Linkedin much now. I'd forgotten about it. I am with a couple of media groups but that was while I was looking for  work and thought it would help me within that sector. I was looking to do working from home more than going out.

[MooseBreath]

Pension credits are being phased out in the next few years, so the loophole you're exploiting is only temporary, but will see you through to real retirement age no problem. So it's early retirement kenbo! Usually you have to have earned loads of money to get that, and yet you get it for free. Lucky you mateychops!