MooseBreath Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 This was always going to be a decent budget for people who aren't very wealthy, to be undone and then some in the next budget if anyone on a low income is daft enough to want to give them another term. Well that's definitely a prediction that goes against everything we've seen in the last five years. The less well wealthy are much better off now than they were at the start of the term.
sphericalfox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 So can we count on your vote for Conservatives? Every government does the same shite, the Conservatives are no better or worse with buying the public favour. I'm really am interested where in 5 years they are going to find 70b+ worth of cuts/savings and somehow beyond that create monies for the public purse without a.) raising taxes b.) selling off more public sector commodities or services.
cityfanlee23 Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Every government does the same shite, the Conservatives are no better or worse with buying the public favour. I'm really am interested where in 5 years they are going to find 70b+ worth of cuts/savings and somehow beyond that create monies for the public purse without a.) raising taxes b.) selling off more public sector commodities or services. If you'd watched the full budget you'd have half of that answer already... Diverted profits tax for example, as of the start of next month this legislation will account for billions in taxes avoided by large organisations.. A futher 6b just from banking taxes... Thats just 2 examples off the top of my head. Sound's like you really havent looked at the facts before spouting the typical non political follower's opinion, We are making huge progress. We have cut 90 billion under this government, and the other 70 will be cut through savings, investments and cuts, Whether we do it in 5 years is questionable, but it's going in the right direction under the tories.
sphericalfox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 If you'd watched the full budget you'd have half of that answer already... Diverted profits tax for example, as of the start of next month this legislation will account for billions in taxes avoided by large organisations.. A futher 6b just from banking taxes... Thats just 2 examples off the top of my head. Sound's like you really havent looked at the facts before spouting the typical non political follower's opinion, We are making huge progress. We have cut 90 billion under this government, and the other 70 will be cut through savings, investments and cuts, Whether we do it in 5 years is questionable, but it's going in the right direction under the tories. I have a job Lee, so I didn't watch the budget, you've got that bit right. I'd want to see a break down of the 70b before I start shooting my load, not just some of it. ALL OF IT, just off the top of my head. Not, typical bollox statements like 'savings, investments and cuts.'
cityfanlee23 Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 I have a job Lee, so I didn't watch the budget, you've got that bit right. I'd want to see a break down of the 70b before I start shooting my load, not just some of it. ALL OF IT, just off the top of my head. Not, typical bollox statements like 'savings, investments and cuts.' I may be jumping the gun, but the way you've sarcastically quoted that, perhaps in mistake, comes across as a dig at me maybe not working therefore having time to watch it? I watched it from the office on my laptop. Alot of the budget still needs to be revised which will come in the following weeks, all you need to know is that we are going in the right direction under the tories. Think you may have jumped the gun then claiming they are all lying for votes etc.. the majority of their targets have been hit and excelled, I'd love to pick all of your statements apart but I feel i'm wasting my time on somebody who clearly doesn't follow politics or the changes they represent, yet feel qualified enough to talk about or imply how rubbish they are at their jobs, when clearly a corner has been turned on national growth and finances. Statements like "Fuel and booze pointless vote buying for morons" The 1p beer cut last year created over 16,000 jobs, enough to fund a medium size town - Very pointless. Here you go. Enjoy.
Harry - LCFC Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 That the goal, The Deficit under Labour grew year on year to 180 billion pounds borrowing, We've reduced that to 90b so far under tories, This figure should be around 70b next year, before becoming a surplus in the next 4/5 years. It won't be. Osborne missed his target this term and he'll miss it if they're elected again. He probably knows the government's unlikely to meet his target when he sets it, it just sounds good at the time and there are no serious repercussions for not hitting it.
sphericalfox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 I run my own business and watched it from the office on my laptop, that is if you're implying I don't. Alot of the budget still needs to be revised, all you need to know is that we are going in the right direction under the tories. Here you go. Enjoy. Lee, there was no implication intended, but the day I take advice from someone who begs Beliebers to follow him on twitter, and refers to himself as 'political follower', is day day I hang my head in shame. I don't need to review that video to know there'll be ZERO mention of specifics of what those saving and cuts (aren't they the same thing?) will be and which public service will take the brunt of those. I'd like to know what investments a government can make that will within 4/5 years to time make billions in profit, I want some of that action!!!! Yeah Tories! Go! Go Go!
Jon the Hat Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Double dip recession! X Fastest growing major economy in the world You will lose 1Million Jobs! X 1 Million more jobs NET of reduction in public sector Living standards have fallen! X households better off by an average of £900 in last five years Tories look after the rich! X Tax free threshold increase take millions out of paying tax Too nice to big business! X Libor fines, Bank Levy, Diverted profits tax NHS not safe in Tory hands! X Thousands more doctors and nurses and less bureaucracy NHS Cuts! X Funding ringfenced Only care about London! X Northern Powerhouse, Tax cuts for Oil industry Millitwat and Balls can **** off.
sphericalfox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 I may be jumping the gun, but the way you've sarcastically quoted that, perhaps in mistake, comes across as a dig at me maybe not working therefore having time to watch it? I watched it from the office on my laptop. Alot of the budget still needs to be revised which will come in the following weeks, all you need to know is that we are going in the right direction under the tories. Think you may have jumped the gun then claiming they are all lying for votes etc.. the majority of their targets have been hit and excelled, I'd love to pick all of your statements apart but I feel i'm wasting my time on somebody who clearly doesn't follow politics or the changes they represent, yet feel qualified enough to talk about or imply how rubbish they are at their jobs, when clearly a corner has been turned on national growth and finances. Statements like "Fuel and booze pointless vote buying for morons" The 1p beer cut last year created over 16,000 jobs, enough to fund a medium size town - Very pointless. Here you go. Enjoy. Haha, you've rewritten your entire post. 16,000 new jobs created eh? That's amazing. I'd like to read more about this, link please. You are wasting your time on somebody who clearly understands politics and actually sees the cuts and privitisation damage that the Tories are hell bent on continuing. If you are the new Tory youth, god help them.
cityfanlee23 Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Lee, there was no implication intended, but the day I take advice from someone who begs Beliebers to follow him on twitter, and refers to himself as 'political follower', is day day I hang my head in shame. I don't need to review that video to know there'll be ZERO mention of specifics of what those saving and cuts (aren't they the same thing?) will be and which public service will take the brunt of those. I'd like to know what investments a government can make that will within 4/5 years to time make billions in profit, I want some of that action!!!! Yeah Tories! Go! Go Go! Fair enough, I did change my post as I came across quite brash which also was not intended. I'm not sure "Begging" is the right term, But yes fandoms such as Justin Bieber, One Direction and many more do actually generate 100% of my business income at present. My personal twitter account and my business are completely unlinked, Twitter is merely to attract customers, With over 10 million followers spread through different accounts, it works fairly well I'd say. With regard to the final statement, There are a fair few exact numbers in the budget quoted, which seem very achievable. The others were not stated in numbers but anybody with a brain or calculator can work out by finding the correct statistics and figures and working out the percentages. Something i am positive you wont do. Yet still call them all liars and cheats, they aren't perfect, but they are working.
cityfanlee23 Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Haha, you've rewritten your entire post. 16,000 new jobs created eh? That's amazing. I'd like to read more about this, link please. You are wasting your time on somebody who clearly understands politics and actually sees the cuts and privitisation damage that the Tories are hell bent on continuing. If you are the new Tory youth, god help them. I've given you the link, It's on the budget statement. I rewrote it before you'd actually posted your reply as my post was rather brash as explained. You must also see that we are heading in the right direction for full recovery then if you "understand politics"
MooseBreath Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Nicely sums up the depth of economic analysis you get from labour and their typical voters.
cityfanlee23 Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk Credible. I really cannot take you seriously at all now. Discussion over.
sphericalfox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Nicely sums up the depth of economic analysis you get from labour and their typical voters. Is that post bait, I can't work it out... If that fact is a falsity call it so. http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk Credible. I really cannot take you seriously at all now. Discussion over. Please Lee, some of your blue tinted glassed statements make you look naive and foolish. The discussion isn't over, but my responses to yourself are.
cityfanlee23 Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Nicely sums up the depth of economic analysis you get from labour and their typical voters. Funnily enough I was thinking about this today, I can remember when I was in school 14 years ago as if it was yesterday, Year 5, My teacher started talking about politics and wanted us to do creative things within the class using leaders (I remember my "Team" done campaign about "William Hogg" I also distinctly remember my teacher literally brainwashing every single student in that class that labour were the the best party to vote for, obviously as time went on and I started really following politics and how we run our country at about 16 did I realise she was talking absolute rubbish, but that she'd managed to convince us all for about 6 years that Labour were the best party to vote for Just shows you how naive we can be, If i was given a vote then I'd have voted for the instigators of our current crisis without any knowledge whatsoever! Problem is half of the voters that vote in this country also don't have a clue what they are voting for, they simply choose a name and tick a box and don't know the implications. Madness really! Politics need to be taught in all schools.
sphericalfox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Funnily enough I was thinking about this today, I can remember when I was in school 14 years ago as if it was yesterday, Year 5, My teacher started talking about politics and wanted us to do creative things within the class using leaders (I remember my "Team" done campaign about "William Hogg" I also distinctly remember my teacher literally brainwashing every single student in that class that labour were the the best party to vote for, obviously as time went on and I started really following politics and how we run our country at about 16 did I realise she was talking absolute rubbish, but that she'd managed to convince us all for about 6 years that Labour were the best party to vote for Just shows you how naive we can be, If i was given a vote then I'd have voted for the instigators of our current crisis without any knowledge whatsoever! Problem is half of the voters that vote in this country also don't have a clue what they are voting for, they simply choose a name and tick a box and don't know the implications. Madness really! Politics need to be taught in all schools. So she convinced you at 16 that you should vote Labour and then for 6 years brainwashed you and your friends they were the best. And then at a spritely 22 you left Year 5? Stupid Labour government really ****ed up the education system. Thank **** for the Tories!
MooseBreath Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Is that post bait, I can't work it out... If that fact is a falsity call it so. I don't know if it's false or not and nor do I care. I wouldn't be surprised if it is true. Obviously exponential growth in inflation and public spending mean that the most recent years will have a much larger impact. Since labour left behind such a gigantic deficit which the tories have had to live with for five years, it seems logical that the statement could well be true. But even the most basic of economic analysis wouldn't be so crude as to ignore inflation. It's a soundbite aimed at appealing to economic illiterates.
cityfanlee23 Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 So she convinced you at 16 that you should vote Labour and then for 6 years brainwashed you and your friends they were the best. And then at a spritely 22 you left Year 5? Stupid Labour government really ****ed up the education system. Thank **** for the Tories! What the hell are you talking about? She convinced me 14 years ago.. for 6 years I was convinced until I saw sense at 16, not sure if you genuinely don't have a clue or are joking?
sphericalfox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 I don't know if it's false or not and nor do I care. I wouldn't be surprised if it is true. Obviously exponential growth in inflation and public spending mean that the most recent years will have a much larger impact. Since labour left behind such a gigantic deficit which the tories have had to live with for five years, it seems logical that the statement could well be true. But even the most basic of economic analysis wouldn't be so crude as to ignore inflation. It's a soundbite aimed at appealing to economic illiterates. No it doesn't, they didn't live with it for 5 years. They've made 90b in public spending cuts. If they made that much in reductions and still managed to increase the deficit? Hows that? Really you're putting it all down to inflation rather than incompetence?
sphericalfox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 What the hell are you talking about? She convinced me 14 years ago.. for 6 years I was convinced until I saw sense at 16, not sure if you genuinely don't have a clue or are joking? Reread your post, and tell me it makes any sense. Clearly English composition isn't your strength.
MooseBreath Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 No it doesn't, they didn't live with it for 5 years. They've made 90b in public spending cuts. If they made that much in reductions and still managed to increase the deficit? Hows that? Really you're putting it all down to inflation rather than incompetence? The deficit has been reduced. Debt has continued to accumulate because there is still a deficit. The level of debt accumulated in the last five years is exponentially larger than it was say, 20 years ago, due in part to inflation and growth of the public sector, and in part because even in real terms the deficit left by labour was huge. A proper way to look at the comparison in the picture you posted would be to use inflation adjusted figures presented on a per capita basis, and then I'm pretty sure the statement would be incorrect by some distance.
theessexfox Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Reread your post, and tell me it makes any sense. Clearly English composition isn't your strength. Mate I don't think you're right. Timeline: Year 5 (10 years old): Teacher brainwashes students. Year 11 (16 years old): Student follows politics and realises he has been brainwashed.
cityfanlee23 Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Mate I don't think you're right. Timeline: Year 5 (10 years old): Teacher brainwashes students. Year 11 (16 years old): Student follows politics and realises he has been brainwashed. Thankyou! Although I still don't think he will get it.
Benji Posted 18 March 2015 Posted 18 March 2015 Suspect it is true but surely that's just simple mathematics? Talk is of a reduction of the deficit, not a reduction in the debt itself. The deficit (i.e. how much is being added to the debt) is inherited by each Government from the previous one. A sharp increase in net debt during one Government is going to cr@p all over the increase in total debt of the next Government until the deficit can be reduced.
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