cityfanlee23

Grim.

It's a frustrating situation because he's clearly showing some leadership if he's saying this sort of thing, and rocketing players for standards. He just needs to improve his in game management and show us he can either get us fighting, or at least show he can build something and i'd happily back him in the championship.

Yep, Vardy is a club legend, but having been in pretty much every single player leadership group over the last 10 years, it's a common theme that our players down tools and get managers sacked. The rumours are the players defied Pearson to stay up, downed tools for Ranieri, downed tools for Puel and helped sack him (Vardy being one of the players least happy with Puel), downed tools under Brendan Rodgers leading to our relegation, openly celebrated when cooper got sacked, and now multiple players allegedly having a bust-up with Ruud, and Ruud calling out poor standards. For the legend Vardy obviously is, he and other "leaders" in our club over the past seemingly have a habit of downing tools, or at least not driving the dressing room standards we needed. Kasper was another who couldn't do anything wrong in the eyes of the fans whilst as a squad leader we continually downed tools season after season. Look, this is a correlation, it doesn't mean it's causation, but it's a running theme over the last decade that we do okay for a season or so then standards drop off and never recover until the manager is sacked. Happened with Ranieri, with Puel, with Shakespeare, Rodgers, you could argue we had a hell of a blip under Maresca where player standards just fell to the floor, but i'd be tempted to just call that form? And now with RVN. It's a hell of a coincidence IMO.

I don’t think the majority are behind him. Sure we all agree that these players are pathetic and have zero leadership, but the fans have lost patience with Ruuds decisions after 7 straight defeats. I don’t think many are going to be singing his name after last week singing “you don’t know what you’re doing” and booing him. He’s allegedly had a bust ups with Buonanotte, one of the only creative outlets we have, whilst Ayew is getting preferential treatment under Ruud and producing basically nothing.

We have a manager having bust ups with players (most of these players need a rocket so can’t disagree with Ruud on that) we have a board who have made 1 signing where we now have what 25m to spend for PSR? An ownership with zero communication to the fans, we are free-falling toward relegation, the tactics aren’t working but they are not being changed, we are making just as many mistakes on the pitch as off of it. It feels like the club is lost at sea and absolutely nobody from any department seems to know what to do. Games are coming and going and nothing is changing anywhere.

And really not as good as he was believed to be in the first half of last season (me included). Sideways pass merchant.

Yep that was something I really couldn't understand, we were rumoured by the media to not want to pay for a manager because of budget restrictions, yet we spent 50m+ on players, it made zero sense

Well we allegedly have £14m to spend in January, and if Cannon goes that adds 10m to the budget. Minus whatever compensation Ruud would get if he managed to negotiate a deal to part ways rather than just quit. If there was only £5m left I'd spend the lot on Rohl. Don't get me wrong, the best case scenario is it clicks tomorrow and we go on to survive and we've uncovered Ruud as a managerial gem, but the likelihood is we go down, so my judgement is based on what it is that he's doing that could give me confidence he can get us promoted with no budget and likely a points deduction, I can't see it with Ruud. Rohl is showing he can get a League 1 squad comfortable with no budget, and his system is aggressive.

To be fair it isn't pretty now points on the board will be far prettier than what we are offering right now!

From Ruuds perspective, it would also shift any blame away from him because he can say it was so bad he had to walk, and fans across football would likely think "If Ruud has walked away from millions it has to be bad" The board get massive pressure that is needed, and Ruud clears his name.

It's sad to say, as one of my favourite all time players, I don't really care if he leaves. He was handed a horrible card, but some of his decisions were absolutely horrendous. DANNY. ROHL. IN.

Can we just pay Atlanta to put in a bid, Palace recall him, then Atlanta withdraw

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A lingering thought in the back of my mind is, what if we stick with Ruud and he walks in the summer after failing to keep us up, if we stick with him after 7 defeats in a row and he then abandons us anyway in summer, unless theres been some massive agreement breach and we promised money in January only to sign nobody else, Ruud walking in summer if we go down would be a massive kick in the teeth if we gamble on him when he’s so far proven so far he can’t stop the rot. We need assurances just as much as he does if we are going to keep him.

100%! not sure he would come here though with the risk of relegation so close. If we were mid table I think his next move would be a club in that sort of position.

It’s such a weird situation where I think Ruud has actually improved us in transition and we often look better on the ball, but I don’t think Cooper would have taken us on this disastrous run. We’ve somehow got “better” but make far more mistakes.

Half of this forum would hve turned their noses up at him, insanity.

No ridicule from me, I do think in transition we have improved, but defensively and offensively we seem to be making more individual errors than ever despite often being setup in a better structure, why is that? The thing that really made life difficult under cooper was the constant errors, how has that got worse when the play generally has improved? The club have loads of issues, and Ruud isn't the biggest. My thought process is really that we aren't going to be saved by the January window, Ruud needs to prove he can improve the players at his disposal, the shape and system have improved, but the players are not improving apart from a few like Soumare, I'd argue even Buonanotte is having a bad patch where he's struggling to do anything effective right now, hopefully, that's just a patch and not the system working against him. If we are continuing with one eye on the championship, Ruud needs to prove to us NOW that he has the capacity to take us down, stick with us (maybe he gets relegated and walks, and sticking with him was a waste of time?) but that he can rebuild us and build a really solid football foundation, the results speak for themselves, he is struggling to find a way to plug the gaps, and he's not giving me much confidence that if we go down, have zero money to spend, and points deductions, that he's going to be able to scrape us up. I'm not saying he can't do it, but just that he isn't proving he can right now. To me so far he hasn't seemed like much of a leader, from his press conferences, his lack of demanding to bring personnel into the coaching staff (If that's what he wants) his touchline mannerism, his in game management with subs etc, he just doesn't fill me with any confidence, the fact players were just walking off the pitch yesterday not acknowledging the fans just because the fans are frustrated is the opposite of a siege mentality that we need if we are to have a prayer of staying up. When the board, coaches, scouts, ownership and players are underperforming, we need a manager to step up the to plate and drag the club forward, right now Ruud just doesn't inspire me like that. I keep banging on about managers like Danny Rohl, but he's a perfect example of the board and the ownership being an absolute circus, the first thing Danny did when he came in, he created a siege-like mentality, and he's effectively created a bubble, and inside it are the coaches, players and fans, and they are performing for each other despite the absolute circus upstairs.

The thing that is concerning me regarding the fans supporting Ruud on here, it seems the vast majority of the arguments to continue to persevere with him can be summed up with “the squad is bad” “we have injuries” Absolutely nobody talking about anything positive about his management or the system he is creating. At some point he has to improve the players we have if we are going to stay up. Doesn’t seem like fans have any real reasons for keeping him, just excuses (legitimate points) as to why it’s not his fault. We KNOW the squad is bad, we KNOW the board is awful, what is Ruud doing though? What is he doing that shows you we can afford to go down knowing he will bring us back up?

What's the story with that? Feel like I'm out of the loop with it, is it to do with the PSR penalties last season? I seem to remember people saying he hates us multiple years ago too but might just be imagining that

We lack a lot of physicality but often physicality can be substituted with bravery, If players stopped shirking tackles we do have a few that could get stuck in. The new lad Woyo is physical, Faes has the stature to chuck a boot in, we know Vardy will, Okoli is a very physical player, Ndidi when he's fit knows how to get a tackle in, before he came to us Skipp was always a bit of a work horse. I think half of the battle is just getting into these players heads and giving them a siege mentality. That's one thing I've noticed recently especially after listening to Moyes interviews at Everton where he has on multiple occasions mentioned the need for the players to dig deeper and grind out results and to get stuck in, I don't think I've heard Ruud mention anything like this since being here? He doesn't seem like the type that got the players into the dressing room today and threw some bins around sadly.

All of those had legitimate reasons.

Top could probably swing the majority of fans just by announcing he is reshuffling the board and bringing in seasoned pros with experience and track records, and announcing to fans he is taking full responsibility and is taking the steps to fix it. He won't.

You may be right, but that concerns me even more then, either Ruud is happy with the staff we have, he isn't happy but is too weak to force anything. Or possibly he's been deceived by us.