Manwell Pablo

If you insist mate 😂 He didn’t actually come at me on here he actually identified me on Facebook after a Foxestalk five a side game. (I would like to remember that I organised a log of things on here and bought fans together so maybe I know a thing or two about how powerful a more United fan base could be 👀) So I’ve played this tournament won it I think (thanks again @Bert) got back Ashby at some point open my laptop and for some reason Alan Sheehan has slided into my dms. “You Manwelll Pablo” now for those who weren’t here I was very admittedly vocal on my opinions about Alan Sheehan not being good enough to wear the shirt but you know history has shown I was correct there so I have no guilt. I said yeah “Al that’s me” At which point he made several rather expletive ridden personal insults about my weight and told me to stay out of his personal life which I found pretty weird and ironic on two levels as I know I’ve got a big head but I was tipping the scales at about 13 stone at that point and I’d not actually said nothing about his personal life I’d just said he’s got a good left foot but he’s a shit defender and he was actually the one getting personal with me. Anyway that was that and in a certain day in May 2016 he got one last message when I was understandably quite intoxicated. Not the most exciting story in the world but highly strange non the less. He does seem to have grown up a bit though so fair play to him. Edit: I should say I saw him at friendly against Hinckley about 10 days after his move to Leeds which was shortly after all this and he did nothing.

Also @Ric Flair that’s nothing like what actually happened with Alan Sheehan, but, as we are seemingly Happy to start rewriting history on king powers entire tenure at the club now I guess going back at bit further won’t hurt. So I can run with it.

You’ve clearly not been here long enough to see how Kitch speaks to people. What comes around goes around.

I’ve made it clear I’ve spoken to Ric and if I get ignored by a person involved with an organisation I interpretat that as the whole organisation ignoring me Is the best way I can answer that. It’s one of the things along with geography that have made me jack in helping the rest of the lads. Not you or Ric specifically but just in general how we all communicate as a king power opposing fan base. I did expect you to reply, I wanted you to reply, this whole thing has been engineered to make you reply. Fair enough on the career, I find to strange you seem to be quite open, as you’ve alluded to, and been quite candid, as you’ve also alluded to, on the situation off your own bat. I’m not sure what you think we’re going to ask you to do would be at odds with your work compared to have you’ve already done. No one’s going to ask you to do anything that’s going to threaten you career, there are two lads in that group have spoken publically to radio Leicester and talk sport and come across well so if they can do it with no media training I don’t see why you can’t. Your participation in all the events is appreciated, but it feels like as opposed to coming to that table, strategically at least , your working in a silo, it feels like the foxes trust is working in a silo, it feels union fs are working in a silo, we worked in a silo as well tbf. The table is where we all get together and try to sort a strategy and who can do what where and when. i know the muppets still wanting Top to stay make life very difficult and I appreciate Jake’s taken personal abuse. I think most of us willing to speak out have had a bit of it so I understand. I think I’ve been quite reserved for me, (apart from Kitch but he’s a waste of internet KBs) there is a high level of frustration for me though and this new “king power were always shit” narrative will serve no one. I can tell you that for free. We are signing our own death warrant with that as it’s taken three years to convince fans media members that that top was even an issue in the first place and now instead of working with it we seem keen to double down on the I told you so’s instead of working with what we have, If you want my number dm me and happy to clear the air with you and put you in contact with the group I was in. You’re correct we do all want the same thing and it’s a situation non of us should be in, the thing Is a uncordinated fan base is what Aiywatt wants and through various methods they club seems to managing it at the moment. Ive mainly said this publicly to show how hard it is to get coordination going between the groups that want to do right by the club. I’ve made my point and you can have the last word publically should you wish to but if we talk again it won’t be on here. Genuinely a fan of the pod.

I didn’t reach out to you Jordan because I don’t know you. I reached out to Ric because myself and Ric have been in on here for a long time, often have similar views, and I have huge respect for him. That said a lot of our fans ask me for transparency on why things aren’t getting done between the various groups who want change at the club, and if you have the bollocks to reply to this one way or another hopefully they’ll see it. It benefits your media career because people listen to what you say, I enjoy what you say, if people listen you you’ll get more opportunities, and fair ****s to you for it I can’t fault you. And I will apologise slightly for putting it the way I have but I’m trying to get you to come to the table which is what I’ve managed. In public, where everyone can see your reaction. there are people trying to do things on the ground and they need a group like the BSLB to play its part, in a joined up effort, to get king power out of our club. And Have a joined up strategic narrative to get king power out of our club. If that’s your intention and not your media career let’s prove it and get something together so we can help progress that as best we can. Without wishing to sound like an extra from the godfather it’s nothing personal it’s strictly business. No one wants to see our club die on its arse and it’s only people with capabilities that can actually, attempt, we may fail but at least attempt, to do something about it

Let me ask you this and I am going to come off this forum for a few days after this as it’s getting frustrating. I’ve been on here for the best part of 25 years, you’ll see my posting activity was at it lowest when we were winning the league. Finishing 5th etc, Because I’m happy with that. The people I have actually worked in the group with will confirm I will back down and take feedback. TLDR I am mouthing off for one reason and one reason only, I view the narrative of trying to blame king powers entire tenure on our problems is highly dangerous for sociological and political reasons. listen if you want don’t if you don’t want to. I live in Sheffield and tbh if this club goes out of business because of a bad owner and the collective **** ups by the fan base to deal with it I can live with that. Just remember if we do get a winding up order there’s very few of us who can say we did something to try and prevent it.

The difference between you and me, and this post highlights it perfectly. We both love the football club. I'm trying to be pragmatic. You are being passive aggressive , overly reflect and sarcastic My pragmatist approach will beat your condescending tones when it comes getting people on board and actually doing something about saving this club any day of the week. It’s literally already been proved. No one has done more than that group to take action, we have nowhere near the amount of political clout the foxes trust, union fs, or the podcasts do. To me it seems to go far deeper than just King power, and I will attack your character slightly now because of your above post (not safe after all 😂) . You are coming across, through our various conversations over the last few months, as someone who is very upset with their own life and wants to question authority figures or people achieving more than they could ever do themselves in general. This may well not be the case but that’s how I’m seeing you. The thing I see in you is, and I do pay attention to your posts because you talk a lot of sense especially to do with the footballing side of the business, just let all this pre Top stuff go. we (and I’m not talking about the group here, all anti KP supporters) have worked our bollocks off to get the media and parts of our pro king power fan base to start seeing the truth and know for some reason we are feeling the need to double down on it, we don’t need to do that. People are starting to realise. We will just push people further away if we do and take the attitude of “haha you idiots” I have a habit of coming across as patronising even when I don’t mean to be so if this comes across in the wrong way please take it in the right tone. There’s a lot in you, one of the reason our group worked is because we had discussions like this, we all need to check our ego’s out if we are going to get anywhere. I was intially supposed to do the interview with radio Leicester before Ollie did it because it was a last minute thing and I got stuck at Sheffield station. We all poured ideas into his head, he had his own views with it and they way they were delivered was awesome. I don’t think the boycott would have worked anywhere near as well as it did without that interview being done correctly. He did it better than I could so it’s a win all around. We need to check our ego’s out if we are going to do anything about this.

Just read this in full, great post mate.

I think I’ve made it very clear I’m not trying to attack your character. Im sure we would both get along very well in person. And im sure @Finnegan who does know me in person would agree with that statement. The group has outputted more than anyone else and I’m sure they’d be more than happy if someone else actually did something. You can only criticise a small group of fans trying to do something if you’ve actually tried to do something yourself.

To be honest it’s a good snow ball. These are the conversations we should be having if we are going to get anything done. These aren’t personal attacks on anyone it’s about trying to get an aligned approach to what we are doing.

I directly messaged you mate about using the pod to help drive what we had done with the boycotts and the protest, you replied saying you’d been in Italy and you’d get back to me. I got nothing back from you. I believe you and Jordan may be involved with another group trying to organise actions. Fine if so, but this is half our problem we have so many different groups running in different directions it’s not going to have an effect. Think of it of less of a pop and more my way of dragging you into a productive conversation as doing it privately clearly didn’t work.

Still waiting for the video. I know it probably exists. That’s fine, think of this like a game of chess or poker. I know full well you aren’t going to post that video because it won’t have anything tangible to the position you are taking up now. I don’t like the stadium being called the king power stadium, I never have, I don’t like the way Thai products have been rammed down your face at Leicester, I never have. That video will show dissatisfaction with things like that. Not the same things but things that are similar. What we are dealing with is completely different kettle of fish, this is gross misconduct in the running of a football club. Believe it or not I am actually trying to help you here. When it comes to getting the supporter based moblised and on side there are a lot of political and sociological factors to take into consideration if anyone wants to make a success out of it. if people are just happy to sit back and laugh at others that were wrong then working out how to things you’re as bad as they are imo. The only positive take from this dreadful position we are in is people are starting to see the light. Linda whatsername, Sue bloggs, and Derrick Singha beer might well have gone quiet on social media. It’s where we pick up the people they influenced and get them round to our way of thinking. Dissecting the entire ownership of king power is not the way, it’s not needed. You’re as bad as they are if that’s all your in this for in my eyes. This were I have an issue with @Ric Flair and Jordan, so very interested in pointing out all the failures, make excellent points about pointing out the failures. Expect credit for just turning up to protests or not attending boycotted games. When we reach out to them about actually using the platforms they have to take some proactive action, we get nothing back. As a bloke of decent intelligence it makes me question if they are actually in this for the football club or just trying to promote their own media career. Im sure every supporter has a similar story, I don’t want to see the club I saw get defeated by Swindon Town at Wembley over 30 years ago, the club that made me fall in love with football, and is game that’s given me a lot in life, go bust or fall down the leagues through miss management. At the end of the day I’m getting sick of this, I’m in advanced talks with a non league club up here to become there their head of football operations and if that doesn’t work out their will be another opportunity so if Leicester go under, by pig headed arrogance and one man up ship which is now coming from both sides of the arguement, I’ll live.

You’re an idiot Kitch, you’ve always been an idiot, you always will be one. You are one person who can be throughly be exposed because I can remember the soppy post about how the king power ownership bought you and your dad closer together. Proper cringe worthy attention seeking rubbish I thought at the time but I let it go because what’s the point in starting an argument when we’ve just won the league. This call be all be debunked with hypocrisy. You and everyone claiming to have “known it all along” The more intelligent people on this forum are trying to converse with me rather than call my bluff as they know it’s true. they also know if they call my bluff I’m holding a pair of aces. The first person who does call my bluff will have every pro king power post they’ve ever made posted here and trust me it will show levels of hypocrisy off the scale, I’ve already done a bit of background work. it’s easy, easier than finding Col City fan out for saying he’d keep Roy hodgson after the World Cup after he claimed he wanted sacking him sacking 2 years later. All of your posts are on here I just need to put a few key words and dates in. It’s simple. I will reiterate, take issue with the last four or five years all you want, if you start acting like you were some oracle that saw this 10 years ago that can be easily debunked.

Let’s see it then.

He won’t have been during 2016-21 Because non of us were were we? That’s the point.

That’s the point though. And like I say it’s what you’ve said or the fact you are lying it’s the context you are delivering it in. Hypocrisy could be a way to describe it, as I said in my post “Arrogant relflectivness” is more accurate. You’re an intelligent bloke, as someone else has pointed out you’ve seen the problems here far more than others. Doubling down by going after 10 years just isn’t necessary. believe me it’s not a “gotcha” if that is what I was aiming for I’d have just done it. I have concerns a lot of our fans are beginning to see sense with top, it’s too late this season and god knows what the future holds, but, if we are ever going to get them onside, we need to be the bigger people and go from trying to belittle them by trying to make them see we all knew all along to trying to incorporate them into actual factual evidence base on the last four years. There is zero reason to go beyond that. Your inviting a counter argument, making our position look like something it isn’t

No it’s not the fact you said it, I fully believe you said it, it’s the narrative you are driving by saying you said it in the way you did. You’re not a liar, and it was a bit weird, irrelevant, absolutely of non consequence to our current position, but a bit weird. what you are doing is trying to paint a picture of you knowing since 2016 that there was something wrong because of a completely irrelevant incident involving the PL trophy. And you were “shouted down” What I’m saying is it would be extremely easy to prove that’s not the case by pulling up the countless more posts you have made about our ownership from 2016-2021 showing them in a positive light. And you know I could do that. Hopefully it won’t be required as you know as well as I do there is plenty of evidence on here to back it up and just admit that’s the case.

Do we? The whole issue around the loans taken out against them geniuenly confuses me. I know it’s not good but I will admit I’m fuzzy on the specifics.

Yeah this attempt at rewriting history is getting very odd Sol tbh. Does absolutely nothing for the cause either. There’s enough evidence Aiwayatt is an unfit leader without having to track back 10 years and starting to pin Vichai for it for holding onto a trophy a bit longer than some people felt comfortable with. You’ve questioned my motives before, and seem to have an issue with me for some reason, i deal in pragmatism and realism primarily. The sarcasm and the put downs I aim at people are often ways of shutting down a lack of pragmatism and realism. I won’t agree with some of the negative comments about him, I do however respect alternative opinions. That said the past is merely something you learn from in life, mainly not to repeat mistakes. Vichai has been dead for the best part of 10 years, he’s not the problem. In our position the present and the future are far more important. You, as a poster, are someone I respect that’s why I address you in the manner I do whenever I converse with you, as opposed to they way I address other people I do not which I’m sure you’ve witnessed over the years. I am getting very concerned a lot of people have moved on from trying to do things to save the club and instead are happy to sit back now and make the most of saying I told you so and are trying to force a false narrative that things were rotten from the core all along. And as I’ve admitted attempting to moblise our fan base was frustrating and I struggle with king power apologists as much as you you do. However this narrative being pushed feels very much like, reflective arrogance than anything productive. Lastly, and I will be a bit of twat here, posts like this can be debunked completely, you’ve been on here for a long time, I’m a professional data analyst and I am more than capable of using this sites filtering features to prove you have been more than pro King Power at parts in the last 10 years, i don’t need to search I remember them, I have used that to point out complete hypocrisy to a few posters before and I’m willing to do it again if this holier than thou act is kept up. If you are genuinely trying to suggest anyone should think you or any one else are some kind of genius because of that trophy incident we can go through some of your posts from 2016-2020 and show that’s really not the case.

Who are we going to sell Seagrave to, geniuenly who would want it. I’m honestly interested I keep hearing this and I don’t see what value it has to anyone but Leicester City football club. The only potential buyer I can think of is Forest. regardless we will get absolutely bent over by selling it, I’d imagine we’d be lucky to get 25 million for it because everyone knows it’s a ticking time bomb for us if we hold on to it.

Yeah by all accounts Vardy hates our setup and feels he’s wasted enough time contributing to painting over the cracks. Wouldn’t come back here without wholesale changes.

Again it’s a legacy to his old man that the structures were in place to make him seem like a good chairman for a few years before it all came crashing down.

Why the **** would the PL care who wins the league, never mind hold a ten year grudge over it plotting away like Dick Dastardly to destroy a team that did 😂 The amount of mental gymnastics these people do must be tiring.

it’s a fair point 😂

Also if the league were actually “desperate to save Leicester” which I’m pretty sure they are not given the amount of effort they went to get the points taken off. Surely the easiest way to do that would be to just drop the charges instead of trying than going around the houses and drumming up some non founded charges against West Brom. We’ll still go down if we don’t beat Portsmouth regardless of West Brom being docked all their points 😂 Football fans sometimes, honestly 😂