Manwell Pablo

Why are you doing this to yourself? The permanent position needed to be filled weeks before we got one in in the summer, Was it like Mid July about 3 weeks before we started the season and Ruud had been gone since May? That is the levels of urgency we are dealing with here.

Never under estimate the power of the clubs arrogance.

The future is relegation and financial ruin or King power go mate. 2026,2027,2028, take your pick. Given the idiots never appoint the right man for the job anyway struggle to see peoples investment or interest in it. It'll be just another chapter in King Power fck ups. AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

Andy King has no right and is no position to kick off about anything to do with the running of the football club is he. He's an employee of the club. Would do absolutely nothing. Even if he could, I don't remember Andy King kicking off about anything, ever.

Aye, I didn't say everyone thought that, some people clearly do though.

I think people who believe a manager (any manager) is going "make us great again" or "turn it around" are going to be very disappointed, personally, who actually gets appointed is borderline insignificant to me.

Ok lets, I'll start with 85% managers fault 15% players fault and in about 4 posts time, when that's something more realistic, and after we've both wasted our time we'll decide I'm right and we might be somewhere near the truth. ffs.

Oh there's a decent proportion of blame going his way, I mean even by your simple logic he is partly responsible for just deciding which 11 players were on the pitch at any point during that game and which ones capitulated. But there's loads of things he did wrong beyond that, the ethos was to defend the lead without attempting to at least give them something to think about at the other end, you can kill of large portions of any game by doing that and trying to hit areas with a pacy outlet and keep the ball in the corner, his changes were all reactionary to the ball hitting the back of our net and not considered, 2 and 3 minutes after in both cases, this isn't even non league level of panicking it's Sunday league management, and we did not make a single change in injury time which which is normally a great way to knock enough minutes off, interrupt a bit of momentum and to get out with a point and had he done that we may well have done that..... Don't get me wrong the players should have worked with all of this and got something out of the game and some of the goals are hilariously bad in terms of individual errors but you cannot absolve him of any blame

I'm starting to question whether Jesus Christ would be able to the same/better here to be quite honest but I guess he aint coming here either so we'll leave it at that.

Far enough point - however I wouldn't really see having a slightly worse points per game than the best season they have had in 30 years, or a man who got most of his points in the Championship which is a completely incomparable matrix, being solid evidence he has done a bad job at Forest.

Relevant to him not improving Forest yes? Everton, nothing to do with it. We can look at points per games all day long, do you want to look at his predecessor? We aren't appointing him anyway, it's got nothing to do with him being the next Leicester manager as that is not going to happen however much we talk about it. But like I say you're still classifying failure as not meeting a points per game achieved in qualifying for Europe during the best season they've had in decades, and points gained in the Championship which is a completely incomparable matrix.

Well for one we weren't talking about Everton were we, you were saying he hasn't improved anything at Forest which is complete nonsense never mind wrong. I also don't know how you've calculated that but Nuno qualified for Europe and Cooper had them in the Championship so if that's taken into account, not exactly surprising. The fact they are 17th and looking back at West Ham (a situation they've funnily engineered themselves by giving them access to Nuno) with the squad they have is exactly why he's been sacked but then I think the club themselves need to get a bit real and look at what they've done themselves to disrupt the playing staff at that club and just be happy they got someone there who managed to dig them out of the bottom three in the first place.

It really wouldn't Although you have nothing to worry about he aint coming here.

Erm, he's got the highest win % of any manager under Marinakis and say what you want about him to say he hasn't improved anything on Ange Postacoglou is just fundamentally incorrect Despite their recent form it's a harsh sacking to me and one they may well pay for.

It's a bit blue sky thinking to be honest, at any club, never mind this one. Glasner at Palace would be a good example of the fact managers really aren't that empowered anymore, and I think people have always thought they hold more power than they do even when they had control of player recruitment and wages. They are ultimately there to get the best out of what's at the club not get involved in the clubs internal long term visions and strategy. Which has both it's pros and cons tbf. Your under lying point does have some merit though I personally feel there is no chance the decision to appoint neither Dyche or Wilder had little to do with actual capabilities and more the fact Cifuentes just bought into the way they like to operate far more.

I think you aren't fully appreciating how much of a turn off this job is to anyone, a good manager likes a challenge, this is now a lot more than that, it's turning into a completely irreparable mess , and I think you don't seem to get how our recruitment works, we go through sporting and technical directors who at best have a decent say on who and how someone comes into the club, you've made my point there in a way. You can "demand", more control over the recruitment all you want the club is still well within it's rights to say no that's now how we work (which is what they would do) and then that's another reason not to take the job.

It's not, at all, not ones with a reputation to uphold 1) No money, poor financial setup 2) Poor squad morale and attitude 3) Poor leadership above you 4) High expectations that Leicester should be doing far better than this and steering them to safety would be seen as expected in a lot of quarters 5) A fanbase that is divided and in some quarters desperate to totally figuratively burn the club down and rebuild it Horrible job with very little to gain and a lot to lose.

We wont even get Dyche because I don't think he's going to want to come here now. And this is another problem, this job is now so difficult for a manager like Dyche it could be a serious hammer blow to their career and lower their opportunities at shots at jobs at the lower end of the Prem or promotion chasing Championship sides. We didn't need to hire a manager like Ciufentes in the summer but we chose to, and now we are in a position where his kind of ilk are the only ones that are going to have any interest in the role. Another wonderful failure in decision making by the board.

Why though.....taking emotion out of it what credentials does Andy King have to take a clearly highly difficult job like this on and not massively struggle. He's just a tool to try and get some fan sympathy going. Frankly he deserves better than being given this to take on, he can't really turn down it down as it's a chance to get his foot on the managerial ladder and prove something but the reality is it's just a badly poisoned chalice for someone with his level of experience that could do him more harm than good.

It's not really an eye opener is it. I mean he's not wrong but it's just him explaining what's gone wrong and he knows a fair bit about doing things wrong so will be noticing the patterns. Not convinced he knows anywhere near as much about the specifics as he claims to, I don't for one second think he "knows" anything about League One wage reductions, I would share his opinion that we would be far to arrogant to put those into anyone's contract but he like me is just assuming and trying to pass it off as someone who has some actual idea. If he had any actual knowledge or contact at the club he wouldn't have finished that point with trying to caveat it with "well maybe a few players they have signed this season" he'd know full well we haven't signed anyone on a permanent basis so that'd be impossible.

Thought the job was done didn't they, management and players, the way we played and the changes we made to the team reflected that and I imagine the half time team talk was shut up shop keep it tight and and we've won this. Worked out well.

May as well aye, I start typing now might be done by the time the window opens.

Doesn't seem to be altering much from a tactical point of view, still Marti's formation, keep seeing our full backs invert and popping up in midfield all the time, still not a massive fan of it. Still not winning games. Seems to have got Winks interested again but that's not really helping. I mean I would normally say the sooner we get a good full time replacement in the better but we all know they'll appoint another sub par hopeless fool who doesn't quite grasp how much of a shit show they'll be walking into and the process starts to repeat again. Hope I'm wrong and they pull one of those 1 in 10 decisions they actually get right because we are in it now. Not that its doing anything but delaying the inevitable while they are still here but there we are.

If you've got nothing productive to say Colin, which is pretty much standard for you, don't bother opening your mouth.

I actually agree with this. Right team won and yet again we've shot ourselves in the foot with numerous individual errors, but as a 90 with 10 men for a lot of it I've seen much far more gutless performances than that and the signings looked fairly promising. There are actually a few positives to take out of it which is more than can be said for most weeks. Not that I'm expecting to be the start of a massive turn around but it was nice to see some sign it's possible.